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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #90 - Mar 13^th, 2024 at 6:13pm

philperth2010 wrote Today at 6:07pm:
Do you have a link to support your bullshit or not....My guess is not which is why you deflected with bullshit!!!

Try my post at 3.51pm. See what I mean about your eyesight? Roll Eyes

The report is massive....Can you post the relevant text and it's reference number???

Huh

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17673 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #91 - Mar 13^th, 2024 at 6:15pm philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 6:13pm: The link does not work....Do you have a working link or a reference??? It works when I click on it. I am not responsible for your search parameters. Try googlefu. CSIRO CostGen Report 23-24 and then the first clickable link below.
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20396 Perth Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #92 - Mar 13^th, 2024 at 6:18pm lee wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 6:15pm: philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 6:13pm: The link does not work....Do you have a working link or a reference??? It works when I click on it. I am not responsible for your search parameters. I found it!!!
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #93 - Mar 13^th, 2024 at 6:23pm

lee wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 6:08pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 6:02pm:

Also, nuclear is the most expensive option in countries that already have an established industry.

And yet their electricity is cheaper apart from the renewables.

More from your ref -
"Real life costs can diverge significantly from those estimates. Olkiluoto block 3, which achieved first criticality in late 2021 had an overnight cost to the construction consortium (the utility paid a fixed price agreed to when the deal was signed of only 3.2 billion euros) of €8.5 billion and a net electricity capacity of 1.6 GW or €5310 per kW of capacity.[26] Meanwhile Darlington Nuclear Generating Station in Canada had an overnight cost of CA$5.117 billion for a net electric capacity of 3512 MW or CA$1,457 per kW of capacity."

CAD to Euro multiply 1.5

I see you use the same rose tinted glasses as the coalition.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17673 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #94 - Mar 13^th, 2024 at 6:23pm Go to table B.9. Column C. You will find Nuclear, Wind and Solar there. Both for 2023 and 2030
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17673 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #95 - Mar 13^th, 2024 at 6:24pm freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 6:23pm: I see you use the same rose tinted glasses as the coalition. It is your reference. Own it.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #96 - Mar 13^th, 2024 at 8:30pm

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 6:02pm:

Also, nuclear is the most expensive option in countries that already have an established industry. You might as well double it for a country like ours. And with most of the other options getting rapidly cheaper, it would have to be the worst of them all.

Not so:

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #97 - Mar 13^th, 2024 at 8:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 3:30pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 12:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 11:19am:

lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 9:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Mosaic G2 was later described as an "exceptionally dirty explosion", whose fallout contaminated large areas of mainland Australia, as far away as the Queensland towns of Mount Isa, Julia Creek, Longreach and Rockhampton.

And the fatalities or cancers from that? Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Yeah, real safe, hey, Lee?

So what is the residual radiation? Interested people want to know. Were they using LNT safeguards?

"The Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency has classified the area as an “existing exposure situation” with radiation levels “not considered to be excessively dangerous”."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/08/radiation-hotspots-legacy...

What that article tells us is that we just don't know what the long -term effects of nuclear testing are. As contamination was detected as far away as Gladstone in Queensland, we have potentially hundreds of thousands affected. You want more affected. What happened to your claims about Operation HURRICANE and MOSAIC sites being now safe enough for camping, Lee? Dead in the water, hey? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You are conflating nuclear weapons tests half a century ago with nuclear power plants of today. There is no comparison whatsoever. Roll Eyes

No, I am not, Belgarion. You are the one doing the conflating. What I am doing is stating that we still do not know the long-term effects of Radiation and the nuclear tests are just one example of that. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You are ignoring the fact that there is NO dangerous radiation emitted by nuclear power plants. Roll Eyes

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #98 - Mar 13^th, 2024 at 9:08pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 8:30pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 6:02pm:

Also, nuclear is the most expensive option in countries that already have an established industry. You might as well double it for a country like ours. And with most of the other options getting rapidly cheaper, it would have to be the worst of them all.

Not so:

Do you understand the difference between price and cost?

Quote:

The measure essentially subsidised the electricity price for people in France, at the cost of the national debt, which now stands at over €3,000billion.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17673 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #99 - Mar 13^th, 2024 at 9:11pm freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 9:08pm: Quote: The measure essentially subsidised the electricity price for people in France, at the cost of the national debt, which now stands at over €3,000billion. And yet France manages to sell to, not only the EU but UK, at a profit.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #100 - Mar 13^th, 2024 at 9:14pm

lee wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 9:11pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 9:08pm:

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The measure essentially subsidised the electricity price for people in France, at the cost of the national debt, which now stands at over €3,000billion.

And yet France manages to sell to, not only the EU but UK, at a profit. Wink

I understand your confusion.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17673 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #101 - Mar 13^th, 2024 at 9:22pm I am not confused about a socialist government, spending on the never, never.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #102 - Mar 13^th, 2024 at 9:38pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 8:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 3:30pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 12:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 11:19am:

lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 9:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Mosaic G2 was later described as an "exceptionally dirty explosion", whose fallout contaminated large areas of mainland Australia, as far away as the Queensland towns of Mount Isa, Julia Creek, Longreach and Rockhampton.

And the fatalities or cancers from that? Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Yeah, real safe, hey, Lee?

So what is the residual radiation? Interested people want to know. Were they using LNT safeguards?

"The Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency has classified the area as an “existing exposure situation” with radiation levels “not considered to be excessively dangerous”."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/08/radiation-hotspots-legacy...

What that article tells us is that we just don't know what the long -term effects of nuclear testing are. As contamination was detected as far away as Gladstone in Queensland, we have potentially hundreds of thousands affected. You want more affected. What happened to your claims about Operation HURRICANE and MOSAIC sites being now safe enough for camping, Lee? Dead in the water, hey? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You are conflating nuclear weapons tests half a century ago with nuclear power plants of today. There is no comparison whatsoever. Roll Eyes

No, I am not, Belgarion. You are the one doing the conflating. What I am doing is stating that we still do not know the long-term effects of Radiation and the nuclear tests are just one example of that. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You are ignoring the fact that there is NO dangerous radiation emitted by nuclear power plants. Roll Eyes

Apart from accidents, you mean? Why do you ignore the possibility of an accident occuring? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41895	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #103 - Mar 13^th, 2024 at 9:40pm lee wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 9:22pm: I am not confused about a socialist government, spending on the never, never. Why do you ignore a right-wing government doing the same thing, Lee? Doesn't it fit your view of the world? Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17673 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #104 - Mar 13^th, 2024 at 9:44pm Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 9:40pm: Why do you ignore a right-wing government doing the same thing, Lee? Which one is that? You can't mean Labour in the UK or Labor in Australia on renewables.
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