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Re: Looking back on Mungo Man
Reply #135 - Mar 15^th, 2024 at 9:38am

Other myths that have proved tenacious over the last 250 years is the notion that (a) Aboriginal peoples saw themselves as one people and (b) that they had an understanding of the continent as a single country.

They were as separate as peoples as all human groups were on every continent and land mass.

They had separate languages, cultures, religious beliefs, and endured vastly different climates, food sources and circumstances.

There are multiple seasonal calendars each reflective of the regional conditions.

The language group maps show how vastly diverse they were.

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Re: Looking back on Mungo Man
Reply #136 - Mar 15^th, 2024 at 11:56am

Gnads wrote on Mar 15^th, 2024 at 8:37am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:37pm:

The only trouble with this though is that the continent was marked with pretty thorough 'tracks' much like highways and freeways right across the continent from top to bottom, from west to east and so on.
Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were smart enough at least to ask the Dharruk which way across the Blue Mountains and they just pointed to the right 'track'. The three of them later pompously promoted themselves to the Newspapers so to speak, that they 'themselves' had discovered the way across. It seems they too, take liberty with the truth as much as Pascoe.

That's just Pascoesque bs.

The Dharruk were locals for Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson.

They didn't take them any further than their range and only as far as Bathurst. Only about 115klm.

Remember the Bermagui Bunch? They ranged from on the coast for Winter with fish dinners from traps etc (bit of the old aquaculture down Pascoe's way, you know) to up in the Heeghlandt in Spring and Autumn for some hunting and gathering (bit of the old agriculture done the Pascoe way, you understand) - Summer too hot, boss... so back to the swimming holes on the coast.

Of course they had their 'traditional routes' - the easiest way to get up and down the Ranges... so what? Did you expect them to take the hardest routes just for practice? Some beaut stops along the way, too - at fine running waterholes etc which are now National Park land ENJOYED BY ALL and where some of them have jobs looking after the safe paths and such - unlike .......... oh..... say..... Mt Warning where your felonious 'governments' allowed the safe paths to run down so they could close 'im as 'unsafe' and then hand 'im over without a by your leave. They can stick that where the soleil don't shine!!

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Re: Looking back on Mungo Man
Reply #137 - Mar 15^th, 2024 at 1:04pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 15^th, 2024 at 8:37am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:37pm:

The only trouble with this though is that the continent was marked with pretty thorough 'tracks' much like highways and freeways right across the continent from top to bottom, from west to east and so on.
Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were smart enough at least to ask the Dharruk which way across the Blue Mountains and they just pointed to the right 'track'. The three of them later pompously promoted themselves to the Newspapers so to speak, that they 'themselves' had discovered the way across. It seems they too, take liberty with the truth as much as Pascoe.

That's just Pascoesque bs.

The Dharruk were locals for Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson.

They didn't take them any further than their range and only as far as Bathurst. Only about 115klm.

Dude. I lived in the Dharruk area. Of course I know they didn't 'take them' across the range. They just said "Follow this track." and let them be the masters of their own destiny with it.
After following the track over the Mountains and then back again. Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson came back to beat their chests as Great White Explorers. Grin

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Re: Looking back on Mungo Man
Reply #138 - Mar 15^th, 2024 at 1:12pm

Jasin wrote on Mar 15^th, 2024 at 1:04pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 15^th, 2024 at 8:37am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:37pm:

The only trouble with this though is that the continent was marked with pretty thorough 'tracks' much like highways and freeways right across the continent from top to bottom, from west to east and so on.
Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were smart enough at least to ask the Dharruk which way across the Blue Mountains and they just pointed to the right 'track'. The three of them later pompously promoted themselves to the Newspapers so to speak, that they 'themselves' had discovered the way across. It seems they too, take liberty with the truth as much as Pascoe.

That's just Pascoesque bs.

The Dharruk were locals for Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson.

They didn't take them any further than their range and only as far as Bathurst. Only about 115klm.

Dude. I lived in the Dharruk area. Of course I know they didn't 'take them' across the range. They just said "Follow this track." and let them be the masters of their own destiny with it.
After following the track over the Mountains and then back again. Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson came back to beat their chests as Great White Explorers. Grin

Just head up that ridgey-didge until you get to the Explorer's Tree and just keep going... it gets a bit steep down the other side, but it's not far really and the view is breathtaking... take a right out to Govett's Leap and watch the sun or moon rise... man ...

Nothing wrong with asking directions from the locals...

"G'day - how do I find the Archer farm from here - I'm a bit lost."

"Aw, well - ya jus' go up this road about a mile an' turn left... then you'll come to a T junction... take a right and it'll be the third gate on the right.... if yer see dairy cattle there it's the wrong one - they only run beef and sheep since the dairyin' collapsed .... ye were close..."

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