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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10397 armidale Gender:	Re: Looking back on Mungo Man Reply #30 - Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:51pm 'The oldest ground stone tools appear in Australia about 10,000 years before they appear in Europe, suggesting that early Australians were more technologically advanced in some of their tool manufacturing techniques than was traditionally thought' Australian Museum. Conservative Australians have old tools.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47258 Gender:	Re: Looking back on Mungo Man Reply #31 - Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:03pm I've just heard they've found tools about 2.5millions old, probably hominids. I forget specifically where sorry.
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Reply #32 - Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:04pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 6:59pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 6:37pm:

Civilisation: When Humans prey upon Humans.

They have preyed upon each other long before civilisation came about. Even chimps prey upon each other from differing tribes.

The fossilised bones of a group of murdered humans dating back 10,000 years have been found in Kenya.

Yeah - but they didn't consider it honourably 'civilisation' back then as if it was a great thing, especially for 'money'.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10397 armidale Gender:	Re: Looking back on Mungo Man Reply #33 - Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:09pm Yes they did. Nghaloonga said it was honourably civilisation in Kenya News, 7076 BC. He was fined for bank fraud and insurrection.
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Reply #34 - Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:21pm

It is amazing that Aborigines today can and do make a DIRECT unbroken, unchanged connection to Aborigines 40,000 years ago. And they are proud that nothing has changed in 40,000 years.
I would very much respect them if they insisted on carrying on that life, untouched by post-1788 modernity. But wanting to be be BOTH pre-historic and have all the trappings of modernity is schizophrenic.

It is an obvious psychic, cultural shock and burden, to come out of pre-historic stone age to a modern, industrial democracy without ever going through the intervening stages.

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Reply #35 - Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:29pm

Well Frank, there is an established (by CSIRO evidence) Songline that has lasted for 25,000 years that sings about the Coastline being 25kms out further when the ocean levels were lower.

Now 25,000 year old songs kinda sums up the word 'amazing' considering Writing is just a few thousands of years old as 'materialistic' evidence and even then, the evidence isn't 'common' and connected to the people of today - many changes, adaptions and more.

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Reply #37 - Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:39pm

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:21pm:

It is an obvious psychic, cultural shock and burden, to come out of pre-historic stone age to a modern, industrial democracy without ever going through the intervening stages.

You see that in Celtic rituals with tartans and bagpipes. Some speak in English through the shaggy moustache.

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Reply #38 - Mar 10^th, 2024 at 10:39pm

Jasin wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:29pm:

Well Frank, there is an established (by CSIRO evidence) Songline that has lasted for 25,000 years that sings about the Coastline being 25kms out further when the ocean levels were lower.

Now 25,000 year old songs kinda sums up the word 'amazing' considering Writing is just a few thousands of years old as 'materialistic' evidence and even then, the evidence isn't 'common' and connected to the people of today - many changes, adaptions and more.

Did they talk to the whales, too? Seems that sheila in WA got her ideas from that NZ Movie Whale Rider or whatever it was.

Amazing indeed - we'd all need to see exactly where the CSIRO got that....

On a dark and midnight drear
An Ancient Abo seer drew near
And in his hand he held a bark
And on it here was written dark...

Hear me when I tell you true
The bloody ocean had shot through
And left a beach so bloody wide
We had to wait for every tide
To be sure we didn't come to grief
When we went out to The Bloody Reef.

Which raised its ragged teeth up high
For every bloody passerby
So if you slipped just once by heck
You'd end up just a bloody wreck.

The ocean rose
So went this song
'Til Captain Cook
He came along
And took his aim
Right at that sh
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t
So on the Reef he struck a blow
The rest is something you all know.

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Reply #39 - Mar 11^th, 2024 at 5:48am

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:27pm:

. Obviously tutored by white ideologues.

Someone joined 65000 years of ancestry with 'continuous culture'. They're different things, maybe true and maybe not. The Denisovan input of 3-6% of DNA in Australia, up to ~14000 BP suggests mixed cultures. It's even possible that Denisovans were creative and sensitive souls who did dance routines and dominated culture.

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Reply #40 - Mar 11^th, 2024 at 7:07am

The more admixture in a race, the more robust against such things as diseases, it is and the more adaptable to conditions and changes it is.
The San in southern Africa have the greatest genetic diversity due to admixture 'through time' than any other people's by a good percentage. They have both modern admixtures and ancient DNA's that are now lost to nearly all of the races of today.
If an ancient virus (for hypothetical reasoning) was dug up in the Siberian permafrosts melting that modern races have no immunity against, the San at least will still have the genetic coding to be immune from it.

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Reply #41 - Mar 11^th, 2024 at 7:32am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 3:39pm:

Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better.

More likely Mungo Man was never an Aboriginal. A humanoid here long before Aboriginals?

So yes ... it could change what we know or is claimed to be known about Aboriginals.

Mayhap they haven't been here as long as they claim? .... which has varied from 20 to 30k & has jumped in increments as the stakes get higher to 65K yrs ago now.

Perhaps probably no longer than the dingo - which they bought to the continent.

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Reply #42 - Mar 11^th, 2024 at 8:04am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

As expected, the Racists think up excuses to denigrate Mungo Man, rather than celebrate his life for what it was - an Australian Indigenous person's. My ex-brother-in-law was there, when Mungo Man was discovered. His discovery turned the archeological record on it's head. It showed the Indigenous Australians were here long before the arrival of White Man and that Australia was their land. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Thing is Bwyan .. they don't know what he was.
Maybe he is completely different from what is known about Aboriginals?

If Mungo Man is as old as they calculate maybe he is as significant a connection to what all peoples have descended from... not just the modern descendants of Aboriginals?

Why do Aboriginals think he is one of theirs? or has any connection historically, genetically, traditionally or culturally??

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Reply #43 - Mar 11^th, 2024 at 8:11am

Jasin wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:29pm:

Well Frank, there is an established (by CSIRO evidence) Songline that has lasted for 25,000 years that sings about the Coastline being 25kms out further when the ocean levels were lower.

Now 25,000 year old songs kinda sums up the word 'amazing' considering Writing is just a few thousands of years old as 'materialistic' evidence and even then, the evidence isn't 'common' and connected to the people of today - many changes, adaptions and more.

The CSIRO doesn't deal in "songlines". It's supposed to deal in science.

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Reply #44 - Mar 11^th, 2024 at 8:13am

Jasin wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:32pm:

Boongs lived for 40,000+ years ago at the least, 120,000 at the most.

Europeans, Asians, etc - obliterate each other prolifically in just the last 6,000 years. They'll be lucky to last just the next 500 years! Grin

In isolation .... but not in isolation. If you do your research.

And they were also always warring between inter-tribal & clan groups .....

just like they do in remote communities today.

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