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Reply #15 - Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:52am

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 7:14am:

Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community.

Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world.

In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble.

The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions.

At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia.

I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism.

There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it.

So my point stands, then.

No ... you inferred that the whole region was off limits.

There are 572 islands in the group - 38 are inhabited - one out of the 38 is off limits.

So 1 out of 572.

And why is that one off-limits?

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Reply #16 - Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:56am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:52am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 7:14am:

Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community.

Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world.

In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble.

The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions.

At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia.

I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism.

There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it.

So my point stands, then.

No ... you inferred that the whole region was off limits.

There are 572 islands in the group - 38 are inhabited - one out of the 38 is off limits.

So 1 out of 572.

And why is that one off-limits?

You know why & I know why ....

don't deflect that you did not infer that the whole region was off limits.

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Reply #17 - Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:59am

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:52am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 7:14am:

Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community.

Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world.

In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble.

The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions.

At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia.

I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism.

There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it.

So my point stands, then.

No ... you inferred that the whole region was off limits.

There are 572 islands in the group - 38 are inhabited - one out of the 38 is off limits.

So 1 out of 572.

And why is that one off-limits?

You know why & I know why ....

don't deflect that you did not infer that the whole region was off limits.

I did not infer that the whole region was off-limits, I stated it.

You have corrected that.

Why is that one island off-limits?

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Reply #18 - Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:21am

Why are we even discussing what those who are but one step from the trees are doing with islands?

Native Title does not confer Freehold Ownership.... what these people need is limited freehold ownership of some real land of their own, then the same access to open range as everyone else, protection of GENUINE historical sites etc, and no more of this window dressing cunningly designed to create problems over and over for everybody.

We want the win-win - not the perpetual lose-lose that governments install as a matter of policy, and one day someone will come along and void 'native title' as outdated and outworn.... and opposition to NT is growing in the community and the time is drawing closer for an over-riding, despotic government to IMPOSE 'solutions' on all the bullshit problems the current Weimar Republicans are creating for us all with their bumbling ineptitude and delusions of great cunning they think they are bringing to the table.... and that includes Pipsqueak Voldemort and Co... all the same under the skin.

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Reply #19 - Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:22am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:59am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:52am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 7:14am:

Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community.

Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world.

In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble.

The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions.

At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia.

I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism.

There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it.

So my point stands, then.

No ... you inferred that the whole region was off limits.

There are 572 islands in the group - 38 are inhabited - one out of the 38 is off limits.

So 1 out of 572.

And why is that one off-limits?

You know why & I know why ....

don't deflect that you did not infer that the whole region was off limits.

I did not infer that the whole region was off-limits, I stated it.

You have corrected that.

Why is that one island off-limits?

Look it up .... I did. Roll Eyes

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Reply #20 - Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:28am

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:22am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:59am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:52am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 7:14am:

Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community.

Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world.

In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble.

The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions.

At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia.

I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism.

There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it.

So my point stands, then.

No ... you inferred that the whole region was off limits.

There are 572 islands in the group - 38 are inhabited - one out of the 38 is off limits.

So 1 out of 572.

And why is that one off-limits?

You know why & I know why ....

don't deflect that you did not infer that the whole region was off limits.

I did not infer that the whole region was off-limits, I stated it.

You have corrected that.

Why is that one island off-limits?

Look it up .... I did. Roll Eyes

So my point stands, then.

As you've looked it up you'll know that in 2018, the Government of India excluded 29 islands – including North Sentinel – from the Restricted Area Permit (RAP) regime...

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Reply #21 - Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:37am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:28am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:22am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:59am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:52am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 7:14am:

Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community.

Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world.

In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble.

The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions.

At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia.

I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism.

There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it.

So my point stands, then.

No ... you inferred that the whole region was off limits.

There are 572 islands in the group - 38 are inhabited - one out of the 38 is off limits.

So 1 out of 572.

And why is that one off-limits?

You know why & I know why ....

don't deflect that you did not infer that the whole region was off limits.

I did not infer that the whole region was off-limits, I stated it.

You have corrected that.

Why is that one island off-limits?

Look it up .... I did. Roll Eyes

So my point stands, then.

As you've looked it up you'll know that in 2018, the Government of India excluded 29 islands – including North Sentinel – from the Restricted Area Permit (RAP) regime...

Keep reading ... thats been amended ... Nth Sentinel is the only "no go" island because the people there are Indigenous & hostile to all outsiders..... and the Govt doesn't want to interfere in their isolated existence or risk bringing in disease.

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Reply #22 - Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:47am

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:37am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:28am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:22am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:59am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:52am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 7:14am:

Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community.

Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world.

In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble.

The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions.

At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia.

I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism.

There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it.

So my point stands, then.

No ... you inferred that the whole region was off limits.

There are 572 islands in the group - 38 are inhabited - one out of the 38 is off limits.

So 1 out of 572.

And why is that one off-limits?

You know why & I know why ....

don't deflect that you did not infer that the whole region was off limits.

I did not infer that the whole region was off-limits, I stated it.

You have corrected that.

Why is that one island off-limits?

Look it up .... I did. Roll Eyes

So my point stands, then.

As you've looked it up you'll know that in 2018, the Government of India excluded 29 islands – including North Sentinel – from the Restricted Area Permit (RAP) regime...

Keep reading ... thats been amended ... Nth Sentinel is the only "no go" island because the people there are Indigenous & hostile to all outsiders..... and the Govt doesn't want to interfere in their isolated existence or risk bringing in disease.

Yes, and being an island, it's relatively easy to enforce.

In the Amazon region, being dense jungle, the same is true.

In Australia, it's much more of a challenge to restrict an area to prevent trespassing.

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Reply #23 - Mar 14^th, 2024 at 10:01am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:47am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:37am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:28am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:22am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:59am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:52am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 7:14am:

Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community.

Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world.

In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble.

The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions.

At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia.

I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism.

There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it.

So my point stands, then.

No ... you inferred that the whole region was off limits.

There are 572 islands in the group - 38 are inhabited - one out of the 38 is off limits.

So 1 out of 572.

And why is that one off-limits?

You know why & I know why ....

don't deflect that you did not infer that the whole region was off limits.

I did not infer that the whole region was off-limits, I stated it.

You have corrected that.

Why is that one island off-limits?

Look it up .... I did. Roll Eyes

So my point stands, then.

As you've looked it up you'll know that in 2018, the Government of India excluded 29 islands – including North Sentinel – from the Restricted Area Permit (RAP) regime...

Keep reading ... thats been amended ... Nth Sentinel is the only "no go" island because the people there are Indigenous & hostile to all outsiders..... and the Govt doesn't want to interfere in their isolated existence or risk bringing in disease.

Yes, and being an island, it's relatively easy to enforce.

In the Amazon region, being dense jungle, the same is true.

In Australia, it's much more of a challenge to restrict an area to prevent trespassing.

There's still plenty of country now effectively locked up & whitey aint allowed on it.

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Reply #24 - Mar 14^th, 2024 at 10:03am

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 10:01am:

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Yes, and being an island, it's relatively easy to enforce.

In the Amazon region, being dense jungle, the same is true.

In Australia, it's much more of a challenge to restrict an area to prevent trespassing.

There's still plenty of country now effectively locked up & whitey aint allowed on it.

Yes, and most of it is relatively easy to drive to and through.

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Reply #25 - Mar 14^th, 2024 at 11:50am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 10:03am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 10:01am:

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Yes, and being an island, it's relatively easy to enforce.

In the Amazon region, being dense jungle, the same is true.

In Australia, it's much more of a challenge to restrict an area to prevent trespassing.

There's still plenty of country now effectively locked up & whitey aint allowed on it.

Yes, and most of it is relatively easy to drive to and through.

What's the point of that?

Through to what?

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Reply #26 - Mar 14^th, 2024 at 12:08pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 11:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 10:03am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 10:01am:

Quote:

Yes, and being an island, it's relatively easy to enforce.

In the Amazon region, being dense jungle, the same is true.

In Australia, it's much more of a challenge to restrict an area to prevent trespassing.

There's still plenty of country now effectively locked up & whitey aint allowed on it.

Yes, and most of it is relatively easy to drive to and through.

What's the point of that?

Through to what?

Unlike the one Andaman Island, being easy to enforce entry restrictions by navy patrol, and restricted regions of the Amazon, being covered by dense jungle with no land access, most restricted Aboriginal land is, by comparison, easy to reach and enter by land.

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Reply #27 - Mar 14^th, 2024 at 4:06pm

What's this about locking land up and refusing whitey access? That applies only to the despised 'reservations' that the Aborigines themselves reject... not to 'native title' which permits free use and traditional pursuits - but does NOT confer the right or privilege of locking up land and preventing entry.

I'd love to be around when the current false representations of this are made evident and all native title is abolished as unusable. Best to give them a chunk that is freehold NOW and leave it at that - they can still wander about and real historical sites can be protected, while the Open Range principle continues to apply...

This country is digging itself a hole which some despotic ruler/party will use to take it over... and you dorks all imagine this kind of insanity is all fine and dandy....

P.S. I notice Plebeian Sex is positioning for the top spot in Labor, becoming the spokesperson for alphabet 'rights' as well... poor buggars - every effort is taken and made to enforce the failing doctrine of 'early intervention' and 'gender affirmation' - falling apart in the rest of the First World apart from US/Canada and Australia- but don't you try to persuade any alphabet to change his/her mind away from trannyism! That's oppressive...

Amazing - now those who use masses of artificial drugs in an attempt to change the entire body structure, and even cut and chop to build some absurd non-functional replica of a functioning organ group are the heroes.... those who oppose are the villains.... the Drs Mengele and Frankenstein are the heroes.... Jonathan Harker is the villain...

Someone said recently that soon this transgender insanity will become the greatest medical scandal of all time... let us be sure that the perpetrators are all punished.

I've often wondered why Churchill, after Hitler issued his war crime 'Commando Order' that all such would be executed - did not say - "Do that and we WILL hunt every one of you who followed this 'order' down and do the same to you - that's a promise!"

Same should apply to all those facilitators of this madness... the modern day counterparts of the concentration camp experimental doctors etc.....

"Iff ve giff zis voman a heap off male drugs, und cut off her boobies, and slice out her vomb and gunt - and add in ze equifalent off a man's dingle-dongle - vill zhe begome ein Herr???"

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Reply #28 - Mar 14^th, 2024 at 5:44pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:51am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:47am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 7:49am:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 7:33am:

What use is a Voice to Parliament if they don't even speak English even after two centuries.

The quick answer is that it would have been of no use.

The Voice to Parliament would have only been of use to urbanised Aboriginal peoples who had at least grown up in towns or cities.

The divide between peoples in remote communities and urbanised Aboriginal peoples is almost as great as that between urbanised Aboriginals and non-Aboriginals.

Apart from skin tones what's there to divide them?

Many still have close ties to Aboriginal communities that may leave them conflicted, but at least comprehend, through descent and first-hand experience of, the divide.

More don't. A 25 % increase in population in 14 years stands testament to that.

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