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Reply #30 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 3:14pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2024 at 9:37am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 28th, 2024 at 9:33am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 4:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 3:53pm:
Who feeds you this dangerous bullshit?


I have not been fed "bullshit". I think the term is "empirical evidence". Having gone a low sugar diet, and having done a couple of months' worth of diluted apple cider vinegar consumption, I had noticed that the raised moles on my skin had begun to reduce in size and loosen to a point that I was able to scratch them away. Of course, I felt that I might be doing more damage than good. So, I looked up the impact of drinking apple cider vinegar. Articles had stated that the apple cider vinegar had an effect of reducing blood glucose levels by helping reduce insulin resistance. Because cancer feeds off of glucose, the insulin is able to draw the glucose out of the bloodstream and put them into healthy cells, starving cancerous cells from growing.


The highlighted bit sounds like 100% bullshit.

Any advantage from ACV only comes while the vinegar culture, Mycoderma aceti, is alive.


Stand by for "A teaspoon of turmeric in a glass of warm water every morning will cure heart disease".

Roll Eyes

You still haven't given us your reason why it is 'dangerous'?
I don't think you can.
You really should shut your mouth when it has nothing much to say.
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Reply #31 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 3:21pm
 
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Reply #32 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 3:46pm
 
White Flag accepted Loser.
Stick to singing songs for your supper.
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Reply #33 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 6:32pm
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 28th, 2024 at 3:46pm:
White Flag accepted Loser.
Stick to singing songs for your supper.


He's hit rock bottom when he imitates a LTYC meme type argument.
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Reply #34 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 6:34pm
 
"What the research says

There is limited research to support the claim that apple cider vinegar can help treat cancer or to confirm the role of alkalinity or acidity in cancer in general.

An older study from 1996Trusted Source found that cancer grows and spreads more quickly in slightly acidic environments. However, the experiment took place in vitro rather than in humans.

As the American Institute for Cancer Research point out, the body regulates its pH levels naturally, and the foods that a person eats have little effect.

For this reason, at-home pH tests that use urine samples are ineffective. The kidneys are partly responsible for keeping the body’s pH in check, and they ensure that anything that could significantly raise or lower it leaves the body in the urine.

As a result, the pH of a person’s urine is likely to reflect what the kidneys are sending out of the body, rather than the actual pH of the body.

However, some research does suggest that acetic acid, the main compound in apple cider vinegar, helps kill tumor cells.

A 2014 studyTrusted Source found that tumor cells died on exposure to acetic acid. However, the research took place in a laboratory, and it is not possible to expose a real tumor to acetic acid, so it is unlikely to have the same results in a human body.

The researchers did note that finding ways to deliver acetic acid directly to tumor tissue may be helpful and that further research could explore the possible ways to do this.

A systematic reviewTrusted Source found no evidence for or against the use of an alkaline diet or alkaline water to treat cancer. The authors stated that there is no reason to promote an alkaline diet for cancer prevention or treatment.

Overall, other than anecdotal evidence, there is very little to verify that an alkaline environment will prevent cancer from growing."

"medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323439#what-the-research-says"

It might be helpful for keeping glucose levels in the blood in check, and so it may be useful to diabetics. But the evidence for this is limited:

"People with type 2 diabetes may want to consider consuming diluted apple vinegar cider, as scientists believe it safe to drink. It may also provide some benefit in terms of helping to control blood sugar levels. However, there is little scientific evidence to support its benefits.

People should not consider apple cider vinegar or any other isolated dietary change to be a quick fix for diabetes.

Eating a high-fiber diet that contains the right amount of carbohydrates, protein, and healthful fat, alongside regular physical exercise, are the most effective methods of controlling diabetes."

medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317218#takeaway
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Reply #35 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 8:16pm
 
Well there you go. Thankyou Polyphemus.

There are many types of Cancers. Many ways to deal with them.
Many people told they have less than a year to live, go on to live for many years after and the Cancer somehow just goes away. Go figure.
Hell. If Voodoo works. Take it!

For anyone thinking that just 'Western' Medicine is the only 'true' answer is a fool.
USA: More apt at winning wars than practicing good Medicine... and even has a massive 'drug-narcotic' problem.

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Reply #36 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 7:10am
 
Polyphemus wrote on Mar 28th, 2024 at 6:34pm:
"People with type 2 diabetes may want to consider consuming diluted apple vinegar cider, as scientists believe it safe to drink. It may also provide some benefit in terms of helping to control blood sugar levels. However, there is little scientific evidence to support its benefits.

People should not consider apple cider vinegar or any other isolated dietary change to be a quick fix for diabetes.

Eating a high-fiber diet that contains the right amount of carbohydrates, protein, and healthful fat, alongside regular physical exercise, are the most effective methods of controlling diabetes."

medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317218#takeaway


Yes, great. If I ate a high-fibre, low-carb, protein-rich diet and exercised regularly, I would be able to control my diabetes. But, with consuming diluted apple cider vinegar being introduced to your diet for a couple drinks per day, the quick fix would take about a month of regular consumption before you notice a considerable change.

People who get cancer are not going to be cured from drinking apple cider vinegar. However, there is nothing wrong with saying that acv could not slow or neutralise the cancer growth. The only personal experience I have in regards with acv and its effects on the moles on my skin is that it reduces the size of the papilloma, to a point that I could even scratch off the mole. Other freckles have faded away.
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Reply #37 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 7:21am
 
Does the ACV come in already mixed drinks or do you have to mix your apple cider with a teaspoon of vinegar, etc?
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Reply #38 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 7:26am
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 7:21am:
Does the ACV come in already mixed drinks or do you have to mix your apple cider with a teaspoon of vinegar, etc?


I put about a centimetre of acv into a glass cup. The rest is either water. Or I put half a glass worth of fruit juice and then dilute that. Of course, the sugar in the fruit juice somewhat neutralises the effectiveness of the acv. But, it is good if you want to make it drinkable.
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Reply #39 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 7:25pm
 
So you can get it as ACV in one bottle and not have to buy separate?
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Reply #40 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:14pm
 
If you have diabetes, it's bad news. Increased glucose in the bloodstream does promote the spread of cancer. It also causes damage to the body's immune system and inflammation which further provide a congenial environment for cancer.

Read this article:

The surprising link between diabetes and cancer spread

"knowridge.com/2024/03/the-surprising-link-between-diabetes-and-cancer-spread/"

So, it's vital to keep your blood sugar in check.
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Reply #41 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:51pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 28th, 2024 at 12:02am:
The only danger you have is being ignorant. Dr Berg puts forward the idea that sugar is the source of what feeds cancer...

Okay...

A few things to note about "Dr" Eric Berg.

Firstly, Berg is not a medical doctor; nor is he a dietitian or physician.

Berg is an American quack, anti-vaxxer, chiropractor, cholesterol denialist,
conspiracy theorist, Scientologist and ketogenic diet advocate, and
promotes pseudoscientific health advice and quackery.

Public health scientist Sheila Kealey‏, who has a BSc from McGill University,
and a Masters degree in Public Health (Health Promotion) from San Diego
State University has said:

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Some of [Berg's] diet advice is extremely and unnecessarily restrictive
(anti-wheat; anti-carbohydrate); he advocates weight loss based on a
bogus hormone body type (adrenal, ovary, liver, thyroid); talks about “fat
burning” hormones (they don’t exist); and includes a "detox phase" in his
diet plan (a term that should raise your quack alarm).

As typical with many of these so-called health experts, his website
includes a shop with unproven supplements (EG: adrenal body type
package, oestrogen balance kit) that beyond being a complete waste
of money, could quite possibly do you more harm than good.


So... any claims by Eric Berg that sugars and cancers are connected in
any clinical way are totally bogus, and can safely be ignored.  Anybody
who thinks they may have any cancerous indications should get a referral
to an oncologist—rather than some quack with a mail-order "degree".

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Reply #42 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:17pm
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 28th, 2024 at 8:16pm:
...There are many types of cancers. Many ways to deal with them.

Agree totally.  For both claims.

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Many people told they have less than a year to live, go on to live for many years after and the Cancer somehow just goes away.

           Spontaneous remission.

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Hell. If Voodoo works. Take it!

Nope... bad advice.  Doing that may disincline one to avoid accredited
medical intervention and proven treatments that actually work.  I'm a
cancer survivor—of 30 years ago—and after removal of a body organ
and a program of radiotherapy I was completely cured.  There's absolutely
no way I would've even thought for a moment about so-called "alternative"
health intervention.

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For anyone thinking that just 'Western' Medicine is the only 'true' answer is a fool.

Absolutely not JaSin.  In fact, the actual thinking is the exact opposite to
that line of thought.  Anyone thinking that "alternative" medicine is the only
true answer is the fool.  And probably condemned to a slow and painful death.

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Reply #43 - Mar 30th, 2024 at 11:36am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:51pm:
So... any claims by Eric Berg that sugars and cancers are connected in any clinical way are totally bogus, and can safely be ignored.  Anybody who thinks they may have any cancerous indications should get a referral to an oncologist—rather than some quack with a mail-order "degree".


I don't agree with everything that Dr Berg says. But, his idea that cancer spreads by having excess sugar in the bloodstream seems reasonable to me. One particular cancer is melanoma. Dead skin cells that create potentially cancerous cells are of particular concern to me. But the fact that I have developed moles on my body a considerable amount more because I had a diet of moderate sugar levels in my youth is also reasonable to me. And having undergone diets where my blood sugar levels were corrected, to find that the moles on my skin have faded, reduced, and in some instances flaked off, it gives me reason to believe that there are ways to counter some cancers. As for the major cancers, I would not know what sort of treatment could be done to treat those cancers. However, I could imagine that my grandfather probably would not have developed his cancer had he not been an alcoholic.
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Reply #44 - Mar 30th, 2024 at 11:37am
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 7:25pm:
So you can get it as ACV in one bottle and not have to buy separate?


Apple cider vinegar is found in the same aisle of the supermarket as other vinegars.
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