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Mar 19^th, 2024 at 10:01am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 19^th, 2024 at 9:34am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 3:49pm:

When democracy is killed off, ....

and replaced with benevolent authority in a consensus meritocracy, dedicated to shared prosperity and a modernized UNUDHR (which supercedes all -isms and 'sovereignty' bs), it will be a blessing, because "democracy is the worst form of governement...."

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 19^th, 2024 at 9:54am:

freediver wrote on Mar 19^th, 2024 at 9:44am:

I'm more interested in the benevolent authority part. I'm pretty sure he means benevolent dictatorship.

Probably, although I'm sure he won't respond.

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 19^th, 2024 at 9:57am:

freediver wrote on Mar 19^th, 2024 at 9:27am:

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ie, the rational ideology of shared prosperity

Is that the one that the CCP used to starve 50 million people to death by feeding them all equally?

Poor FD , doesn't understand the meaning of shared prosperity.

Low IQ, or ideologically blind?

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Is there any meat on these ideological bones, or is it just whatever the current CCP policy is?

Shared prospeity, in the age of AI and IT?

Study MMT.

Dropping buzzwords and acronyms is not the same as having an actual ideology. Would you care to let us know what it is?

In particular, does it differ in any meaningful way from whatever the current policy of the Chinese Communist Party is?

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Re: benign dictatorship
Reply #1 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 8:34am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 12:53pm:

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Can you identify a form of government that works better than democracy?

At last, a sensible question.

Yes, 'benevolent meritocratic authority' may work better than blind-leading-the-blind democracy.

Certainly worth a try. True democrats would advise the Chinese government how to achieve good governance under that system, instead of trying to destroy it as part of an attempt to self-interestedly maintain hegemony of "the worst form of government".

As it is, attacks arising from the paranoia and delusions of the current crop of 'democats' who are ruling the "free" world only encourages insular thinking in the CCP.

We will see; the statements coming out of the recent 'two sessions' conference of leading economists and politicians in Beijing sound good.

If they are realized, the CCP will survive as the world's most successful political party engendering "common prosperty", while more and more 'democracies' implode under increasing inequality and decreasing social cohesion.

Can you give any examples of where benign dictatorship has actually worked better than democracy?

Are you saying you don't even know how to make it work properly?

True democrats would advise China to fully embrace democracy, and tell you that you are a fool for not learning anything from 50 million dead Chinese the first time round. If it is good enough for the CCP, why not everyone else? Don't you think it is a tad hypocritical for the CCP to benefit from internal democracy but not extend voting rights to the rest of the citizens?

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12583 Gender:	Re: benign dictatorship Reply #2 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 10:41am One benign dictatorship which seems to have had the enduring respect of even Western democrats is that of Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew, who took Singapore from a third-world backwater into one of the world's powerhouses. Another nation whose authoritarian rulers might also have earned similar respect is that of the UAE.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: benign dictatorship Reply #3 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 11:04am Singapore's democracy has a lot of issues, but it is a long way from a dictatorship.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12583 Gender:	Re: benign dictatorship Reply #4 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 11:11am freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 11:04am: Singapore's democracy has a lot of issues, but it is a long way from a dictatorship. Lee Kuan Yew is almost universally considered to have been a benign (benevolent) dictator.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: benign dictatorship Reply #5 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 11:49am MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 11:11am: Lee Kuan Yew is almost universally considered to have been a benign (benevolent) dictator. What makes you think that?
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Re: benign dictatorship
Reply #6 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 12:18pm

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 8:34am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 12:53pm:

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Can you identify a form of government that works better than democracy?

At last, a sensible question.

Yes, 'benevolent meritocratic authority' may work better than blind-leading-the-blind democracy.

Certainly worth a try. True democrats would advise the Chinese government how to achieve good governance under that system, instead of trying to destroy it as part of an attempt to self-interestedly maintain hegemony of "the worst form of government".

As it is, attacks arising from the paranoia and delusions of the current crop of 'democats' who are ruling the "free" world only encourages insular thinking in the CCP.

We will see; the statements coming out of the recent 'two sessions' conference of leading economists and politicians in Beijing sound good.

If they are realized, the CCP will survive as the world's most successful political party engendering "common prosperty", while more and more 'democracies' implode under increasing inequality and decreasing social cohesion.

Can you give any examples of where benign dictatorship has actually worked better than democracy?

Are you saying you don't even know how to make it work properly?

True democrats would advise China to fully embrace democracy, and tell you that you are a fool for not learning anything from 50 million dead Chinese the first time round. If it is good enough for the CCP, why not everyone else? Don't you think it is a tad hypocritical for the CCP to benefit from internal democracy but not extend voting rights to the rest of the citizens?

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lee kuan yew was effectively able to run singapore as he liked (though he did face elections , often unopposed)

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Re: benign dictatorship
Reply #7 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 12:25pm

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 11:04am:

Singapore's democracy has a lot of issues, but it is a long way from a dictatorship.

Down on the Border

Song by Little River Band

I just got back from the border
And what I saw made me know for sure
We're out of order
I had a dream about New Orleans
At Jackson Square I heard their prayer
Down in New Orleans
On the run, there's a life for livin'
But the people there, they just don't care
Livin' their life like a millionaire
Down on the border
You never see me in old Iran
The women there don't know who I am
In old Iran
And I never will go to Singapore
The people there will cut your hair
In Singapore
On their streets there's a life of plenty
Oh but they'll never know about the freedom show
Their livin' in darkness years ago down on the border
They built a wall at the border
Not to keep us out
But to leave no doubt
They're out of order, hey
And all the people who are trapped within
Serve to show just how far we'll go
And how dumb we've been
At the top life looks so easy
But they'll never know what they'll never know
They're much too busy countin' all their dough
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Reply #8 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:13pm

We must remember that Australia has had a LibLab benign dictatorship since 1901. The LibLabs have set all the rules since that starting point, and they continue to do so

Who said they could spend $360 billion on submarines?, no one, they just did it. My village in the bush needs grants for basic infrastructure - we'll never get them

We need to have a conversation about immigration. We'll never get to have that conversation while ever we have a LibLab dictatorship

Democracy in Australia is an illusion. If your vote doesn't help get a candidate into Parliament, your vote loses 100% of its value, just a bit of waste paper, thrown into the trash can

That's right, we've had a LibLab dictatorship since 1901, a hundred and twenty two years

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Re: benign dictatorship
Reply #9 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:16pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:13pm:

We must remember that Australia has had a LibLab benign dictatorship since 1901. The LibLabs have set all the rules since that starting point, and they continue to do so

Who said they could spend $360 billion on submarines?, no one, they just did it. My village in the bush needs grants for basic infrastructure - we'll never get them

We need to have a conversation about immigration. We'll never get to have that conversation while ever we have a LibLab dictatorship

Democracy in Australia is an illusion. If your vote doesn't help get a candidate into Parliament, your vote loses 100% of its value, just a bit of waste paper, thrown into the trash can

That's right, we've had a LibLab dictatorship since 1901, a hundred and twenty two years

You're right - when they get into power they do whatever they want.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105380 Melbourne Gender:	Re: benign dictatorship Reply #10 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 2:02pm In 1972 what did Robert Plant say about Singapore to Germaine Greer? Jump to 3:10
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: benign dictatorship Reply #11 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:19pm Quote: We must remember that Australia has had a LibLab benign dictatorship since 1901. I'm talking about actual dictatorship, not people whining because everyone else votes differently to them.
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Re: benign dictatorship
Reply #12 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:23pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 8:34am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 12:53pm:

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Can you identify a form of government that works better than democracy?

At last, a sensible question.

Yes, 'benevolent meritocratic authority' may work better than blind-leading-the-blind democracy.

Certainly worth a try. True democrats would advise the Chinese government how to achieve good governance under that system, instead of trying to destroy it as part of an attempt to self-interestedly maintain hegemony of "the worst form of government".

As it is, attacks arising from the paranoia and delusions of the current crop of 'democats' who are ruling the "free" world only encourages insular thinking in the CCP.

We will see; the statements coming out of the recent 'two sessions' conference of leading economists and politicians in Beijing sound good.

If they are realized, the CCP will survive as the world's most successful political party engendering "common prosperty", while more and more 'democracies' implode under increasing inequality and decreasing social cohesion.

Can you give any examples of where benign dictatorship has actually worked better than democracy?

Are you saying you don't even know how to make it work properly?

True democrats would advise China to fully embrace democracy, and tell you that you are a fool for not learning anything from 50 million dead Chinese the first time round. If it is good enough for the CCP, why not everyone else? Don't you think it is a tad hypocritical for the CCP to benefit from internal democracy but not extend voting rights to the rest of the citizens?

attaturk (mustafa karmel)

lee kuan yew was effectively able to run singapore as he liked (though he did face elections , often unopposed)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk

As the president of the newly formed Turkish Republic, Atatürk initiated a rigorous program of political, economic, and cultural reforms with the ultimate aim of building a republican and secular nation-state. He made primary education free and compulsory, opening thousands of new schools all over the country. He also introduced the Latin-based Turkish alphabet, replacing the old Ottoman Turkish alphabet. Turkish women received equal civil and political rights during Atatürk's presidency.[8] In particular, women were given voting rights in local elections by Act no. 1580 on 3 April 1930 and a few years later, in 1934, full universal suffrage.

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Re: benign dictatorship
Reply #13 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:58pm

http://singaporerebel.blogspot.com/2007/02/life-in-singapores-political-prisons....

Thursday, March 01, 2007

Life in Singapore's political prisons

Solitary confinement, beatings, electric shocks and threats to families - we're not talking about prisons in North Korea, or Abu Ghraib, but in Singapore's Whitley Road Detention Centre (same location as picture above) where such methods to extract confessions and recantations were allegedly used against political detainees during the 1970s, as documented by Amnesty International in a report published in 1980.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48719 Gender:	Re: benign dictatorship Reply #14 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:33pm They learned a few things from the Nip invasion and occupation I guess?
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