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Reply #105 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:15am
 

So, what is their strategy? What do they want?

They want to have everybody in the world pay rent to the Chinese Empire. They want to control the key technologies, the finance and the logistics, and make everyone dependent on them. Basically, make everyone else a tenant farmer.

How far have they gotten so far on this road?

Well, it’s very preliminary, because basically what China wants to do is to transform other countries the way they transformed themselves. This is not easy to do. You have political obstacles, cultural obstacles. For example, in a country like Pakistan, where they’ve invested enormously, you have 50% illiteracy and a great deal of political instability, massive infrastructure deficits. No one is going to make Pakistan look like China anytime soon. A country like Brazil, for example, where China is building a national broadband network — that’s a candidate. The whole of Southeast Asia — Vietnam, Malaysia, Cambodia, Thailand — these are candidates to be transformed into economic adjuncts of the Chinese Empire. If you include Indonesia, Southeast Asia is already 600 million people.

Once the Chinese achieve their goal, would they press their “tenant farmers” politically and ideologically?

I think the Chinese are not curious about how the barbarians govern themselves as long as they’re subordinate to China, economically and technologically. The Chinese are the least ideological people in the world and the most pragmatic.

A lot of my American friends say the problem is the wicked Chinese Communist Party which is oppressing the good Chinese people. I think that’s complete nonsense. I see the Communist Party as simply another manifestation of the Mandarin administrative cast which has ruled China since it was unified in the third century BC.
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Reply #106 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:17am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:02am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:58am:
Most of what China has done to lift people out of starvation is microeconomic in nature - the most rapid transition from communism to capitalism ever seen.

And done in the same feverish, cha bu duo, style the mainland Chinese do everything, which is why the place is a sewer,


Poor Meister, a  supreme ignorant political hack  ...

China has just become the world's largest producer of PVs and EVs, surpassing Japan as the world's largest exporter of EVs.   
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Reply #107 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:20am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:15am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:11am:
But China is now facing the limitations of free market ideology - as based on erroneous Western neoclassical  economics masquerading as macroeconomics (eg see the private-sector real-estate Evergrande collapse).   

Free market, you say!

The CCP almost exclusively limited ordinary Chinese to investing only in real estate.


Free market principles, as in "changing from capitalism to communism" - FD's words. Do try to keep up. 
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Reply #108 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:21am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:17am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:02am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:58am:
Most of what China has done to lift people out of starvation is microeconomic in nature - the most rapid transition from communism to capitalism ever seen.

And done in the same feverish, cha bu duo, style the mainland Chinese do everything, which is why the place is a sewer,


Poor Meister, a  supreme ignorant political hack  ...

China has just become the world's largest producer of PVs and EVs, surpassing Japan as the world's largest exporter of EVs.   


China's population is 1.4 billion. Japan's is 0.1 billion.
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Reply #109 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:23am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:17am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:02am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:58am:
Most of what China has done to lift people out of starvation is microeconomic in nature - the most rapid transition from communism to capitalism ever seen.

And done in the same feverish, cha bu duo, style the mainland Chinese do everything, which is why the place is a sewer,


Poor Meister, a  supreme ignorant political hack  ...

China has just become the world's largest producer of PVs and EVs, surpassing Japan as the world's largest exporter of EVs.   

And just like the MGs with their endless issues, the others will be built in the same cha bu duo style - cutting corners, bits missing, wheels falling off, to save time, allowing them to export as many cheap, flashy-painted chicken-coops-on-wheels as possible.
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Reply #110 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:27am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:20am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:15am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:11am:
But China is now facing the limitations of free market ideology - as based on erroneous Western neoclassical  economics masquerading as macroeconomics (eg see the private-sector real-estate Evergrande collapse).   

Free market, you say!

The CCP almost exclusively limited ordinary Chinese to investing only in real estate.


Free market principles, as in "changing from capitalism to communism" - FD's words. Do try to keep up. 

The CCP limited the free market by only allowing the people to invest in real estate. Where they were allowed to invest in other things, they soon learned that the CCP would meddle in the market, collapsing the value of the investment.
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Reply #111 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:31am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:15am:
Prof Keen wrote an article about my understanding of macroeconomics?
 

Yes; or to be more exact, the erronoeous mainstream  neoclassical eonomic orthodoxy, to which you blindly adhere.

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Yes it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

In microeconomics, supply and demand is an economic model of price determination in a market. It postulates that, holding all else equal, in a competitive market....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microeconomics

Microeconomics shows conditions under which free markets lead to desirable allocations.


Did you miss it? I said micro-economics masquerading as macro-economics, is the reason for the failure of orthodox mainstream macroeconomics, which is what Prof. Keen is at pains to demonstrate.   
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Reply #112 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:31am
 
What, in your view, is the biggest misconception about China in the West?

The single biggest misconception is that you have a wicked government and a good people. The Chinese have had 3,000 years for the government and the people to shape each other. The institution in the West that most closely resembles the Chinese system is, in fact, the Sicilian mafia. You have a capo di tutti capi who prevents the other capi from killing each other. Because they’re natural anarchists, they don’t like any form of government. They’re loyal to their families. The emperor is nothing but a necessary evil. The idea of public trust and subsidiarity that’s fundamental to democracy is unknown to the Chinese.

What holds a country of anarchists together, if not the emperor?

There’s an old joke about [former American President] Eisenhower and [former Israeli Prime Minister] Ben Gurion from the 1950’s. Eisenhower tells Ben Gurion, “It’s hard to be president to 200 million Americans.” And Ben Gurion says, “It’s even harder to be prime minister of 2 million prime ministers.”

Well, China is a country of 1.4 billion emperors. Everyone wants to be an emperor. Everyone strives for his own and his family’s power. There’s no sense of Res publica. Certainly no Augustinian sense of common love to hold a country together. What holds the country together is ambition. Therefore, it’s critical that the meritocracy be fair.

Xi Jinping’s daughter goes to Harvard, but no Chinese president can get his child into Peking University unless she gets the right score on the gaokao, the university entrance exam.

So, all hope is not lost for the West when the Chinese ‘capo di tutti capi’ is educating his offspring in one of America’s Ivy League schools?

Well, the one thing that we’re much better at than the Chinese is innovation. As I mentioned, Huawei is very much dependent on Western employees for innovation. I’m not saying the Chinese can’t innovate. During the Tang dynasty (618 to 906 A.D.), which is considered a golden age of Chinese arts and culture, the Chinese invented the clock, the compass, gunpowder, printing and, virtually, all of the elements of the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. However, the Chinese form of meritocracy, which is based on standardized exams, is the second-best way of running that meritocracy. Albert Einstein, who sat in the Swiss patent office because he couldn’t get a university job …

… and then invented the theory of relativity at his private home …

Right. This is unimaginable in China. If you ask the Chinese what worries them the most, many will say, “How come we have no Nobel prizes?” Eight Chinese have won the Nobel prize in sciences, but they are all Chinese who lived in America.

The Chinese system is very bad at identifying those eccentrics, like an Einstein, who make fundamental contributions. We are much better at that. The Western idea of the divine spark in the individual simply doesn’t exist in China. So, I think we do have a chance against the Chinese.
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Reply #113 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:34am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:21am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:17am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:02am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:58am:
Most of what China has done to lift people out of starvation is microeconomic in nature - the most rapid transition from communism to capitalism ever seen.

And done in the same feverish, cha bu duo, style the mainland Chinese do everything, which is why the place is a sewer,


Poor Meister, a  supreme ignorant political hack  ...

China has just become the world's largest producer of PVs and EVs, surpassing Japan as the world's largest exporter of EVs.   


China's population is 1.4 billion. Japan's is 0.1 billion.


And the US, the world's richest economy,  is 330 million.

Who outside the US buys US cars these days? ...which is is why Detroit was devastated by global competition. 
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Reply #114 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:37am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:34am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:21am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:17am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:02am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:58am:
Most of what China has done to lift people out of starvation is microeconomic in nature - the most rapid transition from communism to capitalism ever seen.

And done in the same feverish, cha bu duo, style the mainland Chinese do everything, which is why the place is a sewer,


Poor Meister, a  supreme ignorant political hack  ...

China has just become the world's largest producer of PVs and EVs, surpassing Japan as the world's largest exporter of EVs.   


China's population is 1.4 billion. Japan's is 0.1 billion.


And the US, the world's richest economy,  is 330 million.

Who outside the US buys US cars these days? ...which is is why Detroit was devastated by global competition. 


Do you think it makes you look a bit silly boasting about how China has just overtaken a country that is less than 1/10th it's size?
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Reply #115 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:38am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:27am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:20am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:15am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:11am:
But China is now facing the limitations of free market ideology - as based on erroneous Western neoclassical  economics masquerading as macroeconomics (eg see the private-sector real-estate Evergrande collapse).   

Free market, you say!

The CCP almost exclusively limited ordinary Chinese to investing only in real estate.


Free market principles, as in "changing from capitalism to communism" - FD's words. Do try to keep up. 

The CCP limited the free market by only allowing the people to invest in real estate. Where they were allowed to invest in other things, they soon learned that the CCP would meddle in the market, collapsing the value of the investment.


More obviously false narrative: private chinese companies in IT, PVs, EVs are among the largest in the world.
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Reply #116 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:40am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:37am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:34am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:21am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:17am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:02am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:58am:
Most of what China has done to lift people out of starvation is microeconomic in nature - the most rapid transition from communism to capitalism ever seen.

And done in the same feverish, cha bu duo, style the mainland Chinese do everything, which is why the place is a sewer,


Poor Meister, a  supreme ignorant political hack  ...

China has just become the world's largest producer of PVs and EVs, surpassing Japan as the world's largest exporter of EVs.   


China's population is 1.4 billion. Japan's is 0.1 billion.


And the US, the world's richest economy,  is 330 million.

Who outside the US buys US cars these days? ...which is is why Detroit was devastated by global competition. 


Do you think it makes you look a bit silly boasting about how China has just overtaken a country that is less than 1/10th it's size?


No, China also overtook the US in car exports; just as Japan (a third of the US pop) did in the 80s.
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Reply #117 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:40am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:34am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:21am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:17am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:02am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:58am:
Most of what China has done to lift people out of starvation is microeconomic in nature - the most rapid transition from communism to capitalism ever seen.

And done in the same feverish, cha bu duo, style the mainland Chinese do everything, which is why the place is a sewer,


Poor Meister, a  supreme ignorant political hack  ...

China has just become the world's largest producer of PVs and EVs, surpassing Japan as the world's largest exporter of EVs.   


China's population is 1.4 billion. Japan's is 0.1 billion.


And the US, the world's richest economy,  is 330 million.

Who outside the US buys US cars these days? ...which is is why Detroit was devastated by global competition. 

In 2022, cars were the world's 5th most traded product (out of 1,218). In 2022, the top exporters of Cars were Germany ($149B), Japan ($89B), United States ($57.5B), South Korea ($52.1B), and Mexico ($48.4B).

The main destinations of United States exports of cars were Canada ($16.9B), Germany ($6.75B), China ($5.73B), South Korea ($3.81B), and Mexico ($3.35B).
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Reply #118 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:42am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:38am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:27am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:20am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:15am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:11am:
But China is now facing the limitations of free market ideology - as based on erroneous Western neoclassical  economics masquerading as macroeconomics (eg see the private-sector real-estate Evergrande collapse).   

Free market, you say!

The CCP almost exclusively limited ordinary Chinese to investing only in real estate.


Free market principles, as in "changing from capitalism to communism" - FD's words. Do try to keep up. 

The CCP limited the free market by only allowing the people to invest in real estate. Where they were allowed to invest in other things, they soon learned that the CCP would meddle in the market, collapsing the value of the investment.


More obviously false narrative: private chinese companies in IT, PVs, EVs are among the largest in the world.

Tell that to Jack Ma and the investors in his companies.
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Reply #119 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:42am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:40am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:37am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:34am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:21am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:17am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:02am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:58am:
Most of what China has done to lift people out of starvation is microeconomic in nature - the most rapid transition from communism to capitalism ever seen.

And done in the same feverish, cha bu duo, style the mainland Chinese do everything, which is why the place is a sewer,


Poor Meister, a  supreme ignorant political hack  ...

China has just become the world's largest producer of PVs and EVs, surpassing Japan as the world's largest exporter of EVs.   


China's population is 1.4 billion. Japan's is 0.1 billion.


And the US, the world's richest economy,  is 330 million.

Who outside the US buys US cars these days? ...which is is why Detroit was devastated by global competition. 


Do you think it makes you look a bit silly boasting about how China has just overtaken a country that is less than 1/10th it's size?


No, China also overtook the US in car exports; just as Japan (a third of the US pop) did in the 80s.


So boasting about China overtaking a country that is 1/10th it's size does not make you look silly because the Japanese managed to overtake a country that was 3X bigger?
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