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Reply #120 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:11am
 
Frank wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:31am:
What, in your view, is the biggest misconception about China in the West?


That it is a "threat"? 

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The single biggest misconception is that you have a wicked government and a good people.


True.

Note: all 'peoples' are "good"; but governments can indeed be bad. 



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The Chinese have had 3,000 years for the government and the people to shape each other.


Chinese history, like the history of ALL other nations (especially technologically advancing ones), is soaked in blood.


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The institution in the West that most closely resembles the Chinese system is, in fact, the Sicilian mafia.


Er.....a detour from fact, into ideology-based narrative.

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Because they’re natural anarchists, they don’t like any form of government.


Er... the CCP IS China's government. 

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What holds a country of anarchists together, if not the emperor?


Rule by 50% + 1 of naturally competitve, self interested "anarchists"? 

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Therefore, it’s critical that the meritocracy be fair.


Indeed, on the path to "common prosperity".

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So, all hope is not lost for the West when the Chinese ‘capo di tutti capi’ is educating his offspring in one of America’s Ivy League schools?


There is no hope for the world if it continues to be oppressed  by powerful financial elites maximizing their own claims on the world's output. 

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Well, the one thing that we’re much better at than the Chinese is innovation.


Wasn't always the case, and won't be again: Silicon Valley is populated by Chinese, many of whom are choosing to stay home.

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As I mentioned, Huawei is very much dependent on Western employees for innovation.


Huawei was one of the world's leading IT companies (including 5G). The West couldn't compete, so they banned it on trumped up "security" grounds.

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  I’m not saying the Chinese can’t innovate. During the Tang dynasty (618 to 906 A.D.), which is considered a golden age of Chinese arts and culture, the Chinese invented the clock, the compass, gunpowder, printing and, virtually, all of the elements of the beginning of the Industrial Revolution.


Indeed, as mentioned above.

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However, the Chinese form of meritocracy, which is based on standardized exams, is the second-best way of running that meritocracy. Albert Einstein, who sat in the Swiss patent office because he couldn’t get a university job …

… and then invented the theory of relativity at his private home …

Right. This is unimaginable in China.


Wrong. Xi is urging private development in quality production.

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If you ask the Chinese what worries them the most, many will say, “How come we have no Nobel prizes?” Eight Chinese have won the Nobel prize in sciences, but they are all Chinese who lived in America.


Chinese patents are rapidly overtaking the US.

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The Chinese system is very bad at identifying those eccentrics, like an Einstein, who make fundamental contributions. We are much better at that. The Western idea of the divine spark in the individual simply doesn’t exist in China. So, I think we do have a chance against the Chinese.


Musk doesn't think so: he said the Chinese "juggernaut" will sweep all before it, without protection in global free markets.


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Reply #121 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:13am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:40am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:34am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:21am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:17am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:02am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:58am:
Most of what China has done to lift people out of starvation is microeconomic in nature - the most rapid transition from communism to capitalism ever seen.

And done in the same feverish, cha bu duo, style the mainland Chinese do everything, which is why the place is a sewer,


Poor Meister, a  supreme ignorant political hack  ...

China has just become the world's largest producer of PVs and EVs, surpassing Japan as the world's largest exporter of EVs.   


China's population is 1.4 billion. Japan's is 0.1 billion.


And the US, the world's richest economy,  is 330 million.

Who outside the US buys US cars these days? ...which is is why Detroit was devastated by global competition. 

In 2022, cars were the world's 5th most traded product (out of 1,218). In 2022...

 
Obsolete -  EVs are just now beginning to hit  the market big time, and China is setting new records in that market. 
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Reply #122 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:37am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:13am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:40am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:34am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:21am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:17am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:02am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:58am:
Most of what China has done to lift people out of starvation is microeconomic in nature - the most rapid transition from communism to capitalism ever seen.

And done in the same feverish, cha bu duo, style the mainland Chinese do everything, which is why the place is a sewer,


Poor Meister, a  supreme ignorant political hack  ...

China has just become the world's largest producer of PVs and EVs, surpassing Japan as the world's largest exporter of EVs.   


China's population is 1.4 billion. Japan's is 0.1 billion.


And the US, the world's richest economy,  is 330 million.

Who outside the US buys US cars these days? ...which is is why Detroit was devastated by global competition. 

In 2022, cars were the world's 5th most traded product (out of 1,218). In 2022...

 
Obsolete -  EVs are just now beginning to hit  the market big time, and China is setting new records in that market. 

No doubt people will be initially suckered by the cheap price, until they discover that cheap is cha bu duo cheap.
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Reply #123 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 12:54pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:37am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:13am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:40am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:34am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:21am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:17am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:02am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:58am:
Most of what China has done to lift people out of starvation is microeconomic in nature - the most rapid transition from communism to capitalism ever seen.

And done in the same feverish, cha bu duo, style the mainland Chinese do everything, which is why the place is a sewer,


Poor Meister, a  supreme ignorant political hack  ...

China has just become the world's largest producer of PVs and EVs, surpassing Japan as the world's largest exporter of EVs.   


China's population is 1.4 billion. Japan's is 0.1 billion.


And the US, the world's richest economy,  is 330 million.

Who outside the US buys US cars these days? ...which is is why Detroit was devastated by global competition. 

In 2022, cars were the world's 5th most traded product (out of 1,218). In 2022...

 
Obsolete -  EVs are just now beginning to hit  the market big time, and China is setting new records in that market. 

No doubt people will be initially suckered by the cheap price, until they discover that cheap is cha bu duo cheap.


We will see; and Musk doesn't agree with your 'cheaper = poor quality' thesis.
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Reply #124 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 12:59pm
 
It is obviously in the Chinese interest to appear “friendly.” They have launched a tremendous PR strategy buying space and time in Western media to propagate themselves as a friendly giant.

They do a very bad job, don’t they?

Why do you think?

Because the Chinese are tone-deaf to Western sensibility, they’re very bad at conducting a dialogue in Western terms. The thing I’m least worried about is Chinese propaganda in the West.They’re very good about generating influence through money and technology and so forth.

But they are not winning hearts and minds?

No. I think the Chinese system is so alien to what Westerners want or expect that it will never look attractive to us.

Kipling was not completely wrong when he wrote, “East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet”?

You can never be China’s friend. We obviously have to do business with China. You can’t isolate 1.4 billion clever and industrious people. That’s absurd. But one can only deal with them successfully from a position of strength.


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Reply #125 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 1:00pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 12:54pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:37am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:13am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:40am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:34am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:21am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:17am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:02am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:58am:
Most of what China has done to lift people out of starvation is microeconomic in nature - the most rapid transition from communism to capitalism ever seen.

And done in the same feverish, cha bu duo, style the mainland Chinese do everything, which is why the place is a sewer,


Poor Meister, a  supreme ignorant political hack  ...

China has just become the world's largest producer of PVs and EVs, surpassing Japan as the world's largest exporter of EVs.   


China's population is 1.4 billion. Japan's is 0.1 billion.


And the US, the world's richest economy,  is 330 million.

Who outside the US buys US cars these days? ...which is is why Detroit was devastated by global competition. 

In 2022, cars were the world's 5th most traded product (out of 1,218). In 2022...

 
Obsolete -  EVs are just now beginning to hit  the market big time, and China is setting new records in that market. 

No doubt people will be initially suckered by the cheap price, until they discover that cheap is cha bu duo cheap.


We will see; and Musk doesn't agree with your 'cheaper = poor quality' thesis.

He wouldn't be buying and driving Chinese-made EVs.
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Reply #126 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 1:06pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 1:00pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 12:54pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:37am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:13am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:40am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:34am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:21am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:17am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:02am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:58am:
Most of what China has done to lift people out of starvation is microeconomic in nature - the most rapid transition from communism to capitalism ever seen.

And done in the same feverish, cha bu duo, style the mainland Chinese do everything, which is why the place is a sewer,


Poor Meister, a  supreme ignorant political hack  ...

China has just become the world's largest producer of PVs and EVs, surpassing Japan as the world's largest exporter of EVs.   


China's population is 1.4 billion. Japan's is 0.1 billion.


And the US, the world's richest economy,  is 330 million.

Who outside the US buys US cars these days? ...which is is why Detroit was devastated by global competition. 

In 2022, cars were the world's 5th most traded product (out of 1,218). In 2022...

 
Obsolete -  EVs are just now beginning to hit  the market big time, and China is setting new records in that market. 

No doubt people will be initially suckered by the cheap price, until they discover that cheap is cha bu duo cheap.


We will see; and Musk doesn't agree with your 'cheaper = poor quality' thesis.

He wouldn't be buying and driving Chinese-made EVs.


??  He's actually manufacturing Teslas in China...while watching  BYD become the largest EV exporter in the world.
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Reply #127 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 1:30pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 1:06pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 1:00pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 12:54pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:37am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:13am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:40am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:34am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:21am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:17am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:02am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:58am:
Most of what China has done to lift people out of starvation is microeconomic in nature - the most rapid transition from communism to capitalism ever seen.

And done in the same feverish, cha bu duo, style the mainland Chinese do everything, which is why the place is a sewer,


Poor Meister, a  supreme ignorant political hack  ...

China has just become the world's largest producer of PVs and EVs, surpassing Japan as the world's largest exporter of EVs.   


China's population is 1.4 billion. Japan's is 0.1 billion.


And the US, the world's richest economy,  is 330 million.

Who outside the US buys US cars these days? ...which is is why Detroit was devastated by global competition. 

In 2022, cars were the world's 5th most traded product (out of 1,218). In 2022...

 
Obsolete -  EVs are just now beginning to hit  the market big time, and China is setting new records in that market. 

No doubt people will be initially suckered by the cheap price, until they discover that cheap is cha bu duo cheap.


We will see; and Musk doesn't agree with your 'cheaper = poor quality' thesis.

He wouldn't be buying and driving Chinese-made EVs.


??  He's actually manufacturing Teslas in China...while watching  BYD become the largest EV exporter in the world.

I guess your handler hasn't let you in on what the CCP has done to Tesla. Check out what happened to Uber...
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Reply #128 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 2:51pm
 
TGD, how many claims would you say you have pushed on this forum that either support or have some kind of support from the CCP?
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Reply #129 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 2:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 2:51pm:
TGD, how many claims would you say you have pushed on this forum that
either support or have some kind of support from the CCP?



Is he a 5th column Communist infiltrator?


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Reply #130 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 3:00pm
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column


Fifth column


A fifth column is any group of people who undermine a larger group or nation from within, usually in favor of an enemy group or another nation. According to Harris Mylonas and Scott Radnitz, "fifth columns" are "domestic actors who work to undermine the national interest, in cooperation with external rivals of the state".[1] The activities of a fifth column can be overt or clandestine. Forces gathered in secret can mobilize openly to assist an external attack. This term is also extended to organized actions by military personnel. Clandestine fifth column activities can involve acts of sabotage, disinformation, espionage, and/or terrorism executed within defense lines by secret sympathizers with an external force.
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Reply #131 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 3:29pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 1:30pm:
I guess your handler hasn't let you in on what the CCP has done to Tesla. Check out what happened to Uber...


I guess your handler hasn't told how Biden broke WTO rules, with the IRA which attempts to force manufacturing back to the US via generous taxpayer-funded subsidies, and sanctions against imports - the very thing he accuses China of doing.
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Reply #132 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 3:31pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 2:51pm:
TGD, how many claims would you say you have pushed on this forum that either support or have some kind of support from the CCP?


Dunno. You gonna tell me?
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Reply #133 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 4:15pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 3:31pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 2:51pm:
TGD, how many claims would you say you have pushed on this forum that either support or have some kind of support from the CCP?


Dunno. You gonna tell me?


A lot.
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Reply #134 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 5:21pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 3:29pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 1:30pm:
I guess your handler hasn't let you in on what the CCP has done to Tesla. Check out what happened to Uber...


I guess your handler hasn't told how Biden broke WTO rules, with the IRA which attempts to force manufacturing back to the US via generous taxpayer-funded subsidies, and sanctions against imports - the very thing he accuses China of doing.

Tesla cars face more entry bans in China as 'security concerns' accelerate. Tesla drivers in China are facing entry restrictions at more government-affiliated venues, including meeting halls and exhibition centers, due to data security concerns amid ongoing tensions between Washington and Beijing.

Global carmakers, including General Motors, Tesla, BYD, Toyota, and Volkswagen, are failing to minimize the risk of Uyghur forced labor being used in their aluminum supply chains, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today.
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