We have at least one member on this forum who has a habit of flooding the discussion with propaganda for the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). This is done in an essentially deceptive manner, as it is presented as something else with no link to the CCP.

I suspect we have had a few different ones in the past. They could be a bot, a paid propagandist, or a "little pink" - a member of the volunteer army of online supporters of the CCP, typically naïve young females from smaller Chinese cities.

You can usually identify them by the following traits:

• Highly repetitive.
• Tries to make every thread with a similar sounding topic about the same thing.
• Will have the same identical argument with you multiple times without appearing to realise.
• Very narrow range of interests.
• Very shallow arguments - if you enquire about what they mean, you quickly end up with something meaningless, a circular argument, or an unusual sounding insult.
• Does not appear to have English as a first language - superficially the English is reasonable, but they don't really get the meaning of a lot of words and phrases they use. This can make discussions fairly pointless, as they ignore any attempt to address the difference in meaning and just go on using the terms with a different, unexplained meaning.
• Does not appear to be human. They come across as either a bot, a paid propagandist, or a mixture of both - eg a paid propagandist or little pink using AI tools like chat GPT to write their posts. They lack a genuine emotional or ideological investment in what they say - think of someone who is paid to spread propaganda but is bored and disinterested in what they post, the ideas behind it, or the people they are talking to.
• They do not appear to be making any great effort to convince you of anything (or even understand what others are saying). Rather, they appear to be merely making the propaganda available to Chinese people so that they see the same thing on foreign websites and (hopefully) do not dig too far behind it.
• As part of this, they make a half-hearted attempt to appear to be a local, in order to create the impression that the propaganda is not unique to China. However they will usually make some obvious mistakes if you can engage them on local issues, basic facts, local customs or even common slang.

The reason behind this is that they are promoting whatever the current CCP policy is, but wrapping it up in western-sounding terms and slogans. As most of the issues of interest to a non-Chinese audience are economic, a favourite approach is to call it Modern Monetary Theory - this is a fairly vague set of loosely associated theories that allows CCP policy to be presented as something that is taken seriously by academia.

When it comes to that other major area of foreign interest - human rights, the approach is generally to attack these ideas using strawmen. For example to pretend that anyone who supports human rights does so from an ideology that human rights are "natural" rights that literally exist in nature. They then try to argue that human rights do not exist because they cannot be found in a biology textbook.

Whatever the discussion, what you end up with is a hodg-podge of CCP policies and thought bubbles, wrapped in western-sounding terms, but once you peel back the wrapping there is nothing there. The actual source (the CCP) is being obfuscated. They do not really understand or appreciate democracy, human rights or capitalism, and are probably using AI and automatic translation tools to argue in a foreign language about concepts they do not really understand or care about, or are hostile to (because the CCP considers them a threat to their authority). Thus their approach tends to be to have a lot of essentially shallow, circular, often identical discussions about the same topic.

Some examples:

Benign Dictatorship

The Price of Money

Equality Before the Law

Backing a Currency With Gold

CCP Stooges Openly Attack Basic Freedoms

Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)

CCP stooges: Chinese People Despise Democracy

CCP stooges: our parties are racist

Delusional CCP Propaganda

CCP: life is best in China

CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west

CCP lying to Chinese people about covid deaths

CCP stooges invent "right" to money

Little Pink

Little Pinks vs Equality

freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2024 at 12:22pm:


Hey FD, you abandoning the "foundations" thread already"?

Can't win the argument re the sources/foundations for ideas like morality, justice and fairness?

Hence your usual pathetic detour to the CCP?

Deplorable.

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 20^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:


How similar would you say that the views you express on here are to CCP policy?

freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2024 at 12:40pm:


Well...I do like the 'common prosperity' proposition which Xi has recently reaffirmed (after the Evergrande private sector disaster). 

But (my turn to ask a question):  have you abandoned examining the sources/foundations of or for ideas like morality, justice and fairness?

Once Trump defuses any hostility towards China and Russia and they are forced to save face against his 'peaceful' stance.
China and Russia will turn on each other for lack of being able to turn on the USA that has justified their reason to exist mostly.
There will be fireworks tonight Johnny!! 

3-1 China will beat its former oppressor and land stealer. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 1:35pm:


You know our unemployment benefits are more than double the median Chinese wage, right?

The role of the Yellow Man in Asia is just to breed mass-production, not to 'rule' - that belongs to a Black Man. 


...the role of the Black Man in Africa is just to breed mass-production, not to 'rule' - that belongs to a Yellow Man. 

...and so on with the other Regions and their major players.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 1:41pm:


You aren't aware of PPP, obviously.

The 'welfare safety net' in Oz (and other rich anglo countries)  is well below the poverty line, while median wage in China is well above poverty, in China.