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Reply #225 - Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:01pm

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 12:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 12:10pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 8:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:28am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:13am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:09am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:58am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:57am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:32am:

Do you expect us to believe that all the posts you make in support or defence of the CCP are just a coincidence?

Yes. Any similarity of my views with certain polices of the CCP are a coincidence.

I'm a Marxist in spirit, remember...

You don't just defend their policies. You defend their actions. You parrot their propaganda.

All just a coincidence?

1. Their's is a Marxist constitution, which I defend.

2. I don't defend their secrecy, born out of paranoia about delusional 'individual rights'. Assange was similarly crucified in the West, on 'secrecy' grounds.

3. You - being deluded by 'shared belief' in non-existent "natural individual rights" - and claiming to recognize political propaganda, is an oxymoron.

Your efforts to make it appear that Australia has more people below the poverty line than China

(sigh) that is NOT my concern, which is to show 'common prosperity' is achievable, using the CCP's example of eradicating poverty at the fastest rate in history, while Oz if going backwards, shutting an entire generation out of home ownership.

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- is that

a) CCP policy
b) CCP actions
c) CCP propaganda

a) - yes

b) - sometimes

c) - no.

Do you admit that your support for the CCP goes much further than your views being consistent with their policies?

No.

So your claim that Australia's welfare is well below the poverty line is merely CCP policy, not the truth?

No.

Like Frank, you provide excellent case studies in the deviousness, and self deception of the conservative mind.

I already provided the link showing the extent of the population living below the poverty line in Oz.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda Reply #226 - Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:06pm Quote: I already provided the link showing the extent of the population living below the poverty line in Oz. I have spent about a dozen posts trying to get you to give a straight answer on what the poverty line is. You are still evading. Quote: No. Is it CCP policy? Is it the truth?
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Reply #227 - Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:09pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 12:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 12:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 11:55am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 2:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 12:04pm:

There are some who seem to entertain the delusion that the terms 'common prosperity' and 'consensus' must be associated with totalitarian rule.

Not me, that's your fake narrative.

You'll need to stop defending the CCP before anyone will take your word for it and take you seriously regarding common prosperity and concensus government.

The CCP are the only government with common prosperity as a stated goal, while poverty and inequality are increasing in the West.

https://www.oxfam.org.au/what-we-do/economic-inequality/resources/?gad_source=1&...

This report focuses on how taxing the rich is vital to addressing skyrocketing inequality. Extreme wealth and extreme poverty have increased simultaneously over the last 25 years.

The German National Socialist Workers Party was all about common prosperity...

Yes, it's a pity Hitler lost his mind and went to war.

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They believed in hyper-taxing a certain category of rich people too.

That wasn't "hypertaxing", it was cultural and economic destruction, nothing to do with engendering 'common prosperity'

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Will you be defending them as well?

No.

Will you address the concerns noted in the Oxfam report?

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Reply #228 - Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:28pm

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:06pm:

I have spent about a dozen posts trying to get you to give a straight answer on what the poverty line is. You are still evading.

Ah, you think you can avoid the issue of poverty in Oz, by arguing over a definition of the poverty line.

You are exposed:

https://theconversation.com/there-are-lots-of-poverty-lines-and-jobseeker-isnt-a...

There are lots of poverty lines, and JobSeeker isn’t above any of them

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Is it CCP policy?
Is it the truth?

My support for "CCP policy" (what, exactly?) extends as far as it is consistent with the spirit of Marxism and common prosperity.

Speaking of "truth": do you still insist truth is found in "shared belief"?

Try basing truth on reality, you will do much better

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Reply #230 - Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:42pm

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:31pm:

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My support for "CCP policy" (what, exactly?) extends as far as it is consistent with the spirit of Marxism and [i]common prosperity.

So your support for the CCP is part of the baggage of being a communist?

(sigh) dealing with the concrete ideation of a black and white, 'letter to the law' conservative mind...

My support is for the spirit of Marxist communism...ie common prosperity.

That's why - in 2024, in our fiat currency world (150 years after Marx) - I'm drawing on MMT and advocating for freeing currency-issuing governments from the mainstream debt and deficit myth.

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Reply #231 - Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:45pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:42pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:31pm:

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My support for "CCP policy" (what, exactly?) extends as far as it is consistent with the spirit of Marxism and common prosperity.

So your support for the CCP is part of the baggage of being a communist?

(sigh) dealing with the concrete ideation of a black and white, [iletter to the law conservative mind...

My support is for the spirit of Marxist communism...ie common prosperity.

That's why - in 2024, in our fiat currency world (150 years after Marx) - I'm drawing on MMT and advocating for freeing currency-issuing governments from the mainstream debt and deficit myth.

So it's part of the baggage of being a "free market communist"?

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Reply #232 - Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:50pm

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:42pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:31pm:

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My support for "CCP policy" (what, exactly?) extends as far as it is consistent with the spirit of Marxism and common prosperity.

So your support for the CCP is part of the baggage of being a communist?

(sigh) dealing with the concrete ideation of a black and white, [iletter to the law conservative mind...

My support is for the spirit of Marxist communism...ie common prosperity.

That's why - in 2024, in our fiat currency world (150 years after Marx) - I'm drawing on MMT and advocating for freeing currency-issuing governments from the mainstream debt and deficit myth.

So it's part of the baggage of being a "free market communist"?

“The markets make a good servant but a bad master, and a worse religion.” — Amory Lovins.

Maybe time for you to 'upgrade' your religion...

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda Reply #233 - Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:55pm How does your version of the "spirit of Marxism" differ from Marxism?
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Reply #234 - Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 2:55pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 12:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 12:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 11:55am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 2:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 12:04pm:

There are some who seem to entertain the delusion that the terms 'common prosperity' and 'consensus' must be associated with totalitarian rule.

Not me, that's your fake narrative.

You'll need to stop defending the CCP before anyone will take your word for it and take you seriously regarding common prosperity and concensus government.

The CCP are the only government with common prosperity as a stated goal, while poverty and inequality are increasing in the West.

https://www.oxfam.org.au/what-we-do/economic-inequality/resources/?gad_source=1&...

This report focuses on how taxing the rich is vital to addressing skyrocketing inequality. Extreme wealth and extreme poverty have increased simultaneously over the last 25 years.

The German National Socialist Workers Party was all about common prosperity...

Yes, it's a pity Hitler lost his mind and went to war.

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They believed in hyper-taxing a certain category of rich people too.

That wasn't "hypertaxing", it was cultural and economic destruction, nothing to do with engendering 'common prosperity'

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Will you be defending them as well?

That’s the thing when totalitarians rant about common prosperity - they don’t mean it’s for everyone.

So, how bout that Hitler, eh! Will you be starting a thread about common prosperity in Germany during the 30s?

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Reply #235 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 10:27am

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:55pm:

How does your version of the "spirit of Marxism" differ from Marxism?

It doesn't differ in spirit but in application.

"Workers of the world, unite" ...ie, against greedy capitalists.

"My version" of Marxism sees governments guaranteeing the essentials for all, as opposed to unions struggling for just compensation for labour, in a Marxist class struggle against naturally greedy capitalists.

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Reply #236 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 10:32am

It sounds like another synonym for "common prosperity". A vague term that can mean pretty much anything, but in your case covers the vast number of "coincidences" between what you support and what the CCP currently supports - a hodge podge of free markets, stifling oppression on speech and other social issues, and a party that keeps changing it's mind on what direction to go in.

You are just swapping one meaningless slogan for another.

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Reply #237 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 10:35am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 2:55pm:

That’s the thing when totalitarians rant about common prosperity - they don’t mean it’s for everyone.

??

You are the one falsely conflating NS and common prosperity.

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So, how bout that Hitler, eh! Will you be starting a thread about common prosperity in Germany during the 30s?

No, because Hitler's policices were rendered evil by his anti semitism.

Try again.

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Reply #238 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 10:39am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 10:35am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 2:55pm:

That’s the thing when totalitarians rant about common prosperity - they don’t mean it’s for everyone.

??

You are the one falsely conflating NS and common prosperity.

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So, how bout that Hitler, eh! Will you be starting a thread about common prosperity in Germany during the 30s?

No, because Hitler's policices were rendered evil by his anti semitism.

Try again.

Can you explain your comment in the context of National Socialism and common prosperity: Yes, it's a pity Hitler lost his mind and went to war. ?

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Reply #239 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 10:50am

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

It sounds like another synonym for "common prosperity".

Don't listen to Meister, he is confused...(!)

I already disabused him of his "NS was common prosperity" delusion.

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A vague term that can mean pretty much anything,

No, as I already proved in the linked article "there are many poverty lines, but Job Seeker is not above any of them"

Common prosperity means no-one living in (involuntary) poverty.

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but in your case covers the vast number of "coincidences" between what you support and what the CCP currently supports - a hodge podge of free markets, stifling oppression on speech and other social issues, and a party that keeps changing it's mind on what direction to go in.

No; we know that poverty exists in Oz, and the government has the tools to eradicate it.

As for the CCP, they are indeed pragmatic, changing policies as the economy demands it.
But they also have yet to learn the pitfalls of free markets operating as the master.... (Lovins).

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You are just swapping one meaningless slogan for another.

Refuted above: common prosperity means above poverty participation for all.

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