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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #255 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:39am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 1:01pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 12:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 12:10pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 8:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:28am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:13am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:09am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:58am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:57am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:32am:

Do you expect us to believe that all the posts you make in support or defence of the CCP are just a coincidence?

Yes. Any similarity of my views with certain polices of the CCP are a coincidence.

I'm a Marxist in spirit, remember...

You don't just defend their policies. You defend their actions. You parrot their propaganda.

All just a coincidence?

1. Their's is a Marxist constitution, which I defend.

2. I don't defend their secrecy, born out of paranoia about delusional 'individual rights'. Assange was similarly crucified in the West, on 'secrecy' grounds.

3. You - being deluded by 'shared belief' in non-existent "natural individual rights" - and claiming to recognize political propaganda, is an oxymoron.

Your efforts to make it appear that Australia has more people below the poverty line than China

(sigh) that is NOT my concern, which is to show 'common prosperity' is achievable, using the CCP's example of eradicating poverty at the fastest rate in history, while Oz if going backwards, shutting an entire generation out of home ownership.

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- is that

a) CCP policy
b) CCP actions
c) CCP propaganda

a) - yes

b) - sometimes

c) - no.

Do you admit that your support for the CCP goes much further than your views being consistent with their policies?

No.

So your claim that Australia's welfare is well below the poverty line is merely CCP policy, not the truth?

No.

Like Frank, you provide excellent case studies in the deviousness, and self deception of the conservative mind.

I already provided the link showing the extent of the population living below the poverty line in Oz.

You also cannot give a straight answer on where all these coincidences come from? Are you asking us to believe that all the things you post in support of the CCP are just coincidental agreement between you and CCP policy, and not parroting propaganda or reflexiveley defending CCP actions?

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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #256 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:41am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:37am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:22am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:19am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 10:59am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 10:50am:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

It sounds like another synonym for "common prosperity".

Don't listen to Meister, he is confused...(!)

I already disabused him of his "NS was common prosperity" delusion.

No you haven't.

Your handler's argumentation style is typically Han Chinese in its ignorance of other peoples outside that ethnic group.

Please explain.

NS policies - least of all common prosperity, and Hitler are NOT the same, as I already showed. Just as the CCP is not Mao.

Your ideologically-crippled ("free market") brain can't see it.

Sad.

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Feel free to explain your reference to Hitler in the context of National Socialism and common prosperity.

Already done in my reply to Meister; do try to keep up.

The CCP embodies Maoist thought as National Socialism embodies Hitler's thought.

Correct, but Mao's and Hitler's policies corrupted Chinese socialism and NS, respectively.

And it's Hitler's policies that define National Socialism.

And it's Mao's policies that define the CCP which prevailed into the 21st century, not Marxist thought. Has your handler even heard of Marx?

BTW there's a prevailing opinion among Han Chinese in China that Hitler was a great leader.

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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #257 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:47am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:36am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:28am:

Where is the relevence to common prosperity?

National Socialism common prosperity referred to specific Germans, not all Germans and not non-Germans.

Yes, that is the problem with National Socialism - it only applies to citizens whom the state deems as citizens.

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That's what happens when your handlers throw around terms like 'common prosperity'

No - it's what happens when ideologcally-crippled "freedom" lizard-brains like yours even attempt to understand common prosperity.

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...lke you and demand it be parrotted bike the CCP invented it.

The CCP state it as a goal of 'Chinese socialism'.

Marx invented well-being in and of the collective

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Being Han Chinese, your handlers are hoping no one asks who the 'common' in 'common prosperity' refers to because, like National Socialism, it does not refer to all people. And even among the Han, it refers only to those who have guanxi.

Refuted above, already.

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Reply #258 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:55am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:47am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:36am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:28am:

Where is the relevence to common prosperity?

National Socialism common prosperity referred to specific Germans, not all Germans and not non-Germans.

Yes, that is the problem with National Socialism - it only applies to citizens whom the state deems as citizens.

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That's what happens when your handlers throw around terms like 'common prosperity'

No - it's what happens when ideologcally-crippled "freedom" lizard-brains like yours even attempt to understand common prosperity.

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...lke you and demand it be parrotted bike the CCP invented it.

The CCP state it as a goal of 'Chinese socialism'.

Marx invented well-being in and of the collective

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Being Han Chinese, your handlers are hoping no one asks who the 'common' in 'common prosperity' refers to because, like National Socialism, it does not refer to all people. And even among the Han, it refers only to those who have guanxi.

Refuted above, already.

So what's your handler's definition of 'common' in the context of 'common prosperity'?

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Reply #259 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 12:15pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:41am:

And it's Mao's policies that define the CCP which prevailed into the 21st century, not Marxist thought.

Er, in 1978 Deng introduced free market reforms; and in 2024 Xi is trying to overcome the disasters that result from adopting the free market as a master.

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Has your handler even heard of Marx?

I think Marx is mentioned in the Chinese constitution; certainly Marxist thought is. I would hope my "handler" is up to speed on the matter....

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BTW there's a prevailing opinion among Han Chinese in China that Hitler was a great leader.

Hmm, Hitler has his admirers in the West, too...

Do try to keep up.

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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #260 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 12:24pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 12:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:41am:

And it's Mao's policies that define the CCP which prevailed into the 21st century, not Marxist thought.

Er, in 1978 Deng introduced free market reforms; and in 2024 Xi is trying to overcome the disasters that result from adopting the free market as a master.

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Has your handler even heard of Marx?

I think Marx is mentioned in the Chinese constitution; certainly Marxist thought is. I would hope my "handler" is up to speed on the matter....

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BTW there's a prevailing opinion among Han Chinese in China that Hitler was a great leader.

Hmm, Hitler has his admirers in the West, too...

Do try to keep up.

Xi has amassed more power than Mao had and is more isolated than Mao was. No one dares advise him on anything. He listens only to the voices in his head.

Deng was toying with democracy with Chinese characteristics, after the anticipated success of his market reforms, given the catastrophic state of China when he ascended to the top.

Nearly all Han Chinese believe Hitler was a great leader in a way you'd only find in the West from fringe far-right groups. Murdering millions of people not of the main ethnicity is not a problem for the Han. Mao did it and his image is everywhere in China, including on their banknotes - something Hitler never had.

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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #261 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 5:03pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 12:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 12:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:41am:

And it's Mao's policies that define the CCP which prevailed into the 21st century, not Marxist thought.

Er, in 1978 Deng introduced free market reforms; and in 2024 Xi is trying to overcome the disasters that result from adopting the free market as a master.

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Has your handler even heard of Marx?

I think Marx is mentioned in the Chinese constitution; certainly Marxist thought is. I would hope my "handler" is up to speed on the matter....

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BTW there's a prevailing opinion among Han Chinese in China that Hitler was a great leader.

Hmm, Hitler has his admirers in the West, too...

Do try to keep up.

Xi has amassed more power than Mao had and is more isolated than Mao was. No one dares advise him on anything. He listens only to the voices in his head.

er the recent 'two sessions' in Beijing was attended by many economists addressing economic growth.

Xi listens, just as Albo listens to economists here.

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Deng was toying with democracy with Chinese characteristics, after the anticipated success of his market reforms, given the catastrophic state of China when he ascended to the top.

At last, a correct statement (.... a long time between drinks....); though slipping the word "democracy" in there is suspect.

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Nearly all Han Chinese believe Hitler was a great leader in a way you'd only find in the West from fringe far-right groups.

You mean Han Chinese like socialism under a strong leader?

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Murdering millions of people not of the main ethnicity is not a problem for the Han. Mao did it and his image is everywhere in China, including on their banknotes - something Hitler never had.

Not Xi's or the CCP's policy.

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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #262 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 5:16pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 12:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:41am:

And it's Mao's policies that define the CCP which prevailed into the 21st century, not Marxist thought.

Er, in 1978 Deng introduced free market reforms; and in 2024 Xi is trying to overcome the disasters that result from adopting the free market as a master.

Don't you keep boasting about the CCP's success in lifting people out of starvation? Do you think that may have had something to do with the market reforms?

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Reply #263 - Apr 4^th, 2024 at 5:50pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 5:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 12:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 12:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:41am:

And it's Mao's policies that define the CCP which prevailed into the 21st century, not Marxist thought.

Er, in 1978 Deng introduced free market reforms; and in 2024 Xi is trying to overcome the disasters that result from adopting the free market as a master.

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Has your handler even heard of Marx?

I think Marx is mentioned in the Chinese constitution; certainly Marxist thought is. I would hope my "handler" is up to speed on the matter....

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BTW there's a prevailing opinion among Han Chinese in China that Hitler was a great leader.

Hmm, Hitler has his admirers in the West, too...

Do try to keep up.

Xi has amassed more power than Mao had and is more isolated than Mao was. No one dares advise him on anything. He listens only to the voices in his head.

er the recent 'two sessions' in Beijing was attended by many economists addressing economic growth.

Xi listens, just as Albo listens to economists here.

Stalin also held similar sessions... He even pretended to listen...

As he scanned the room identifying people he'd mark for expulsion, exile or execution.

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Reply #266 - Apr 5^th, 2024 at 1:40pm

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 5:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 12:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:41am:

And it's Mao's policies that define the CCP which prevailed into the 21st century, not Marxist thought.

Er, in 1978 Deng introduced free market reforms; and in 2024 Xi is trying to overcome the disasters that result from adopting the free market as a master.

Don't you keep boasting about the CCP's success in lifting people out of starvation?

Please learn to read. The CCP has lifted more people out of poverty at the fastest rate of any country in history.

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Do you think that may have had something to do with the market reforms?

Yes.

But the current slowdown has everything to do with market failure.

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Reply #267 - Apr 5^th, 2024 at 1:43pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 5:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 12:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 12:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:41am:

And it's Mao's policies that define the CCP which prevailed into the 21st century, not Marxist thought.

Er, in 1978 Deng introduced free market reforms; and in 2024 Xi is trying to overcome the disasters that result from adopting the free market as a master.

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Has your handler even heard of Marx?

I think Marx is mentioned in the Chinese constitution; certainly Marxist thought is. I would hope my "handler" is up to speed on the matter....

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BTW there's a prevailing opinion among Han Chinese in China that Hitler was a great leader.

Hmm, Hitler has his admirers in the West, too...

Do try to keep up.

Xi has amassed more power than Mao had and is more isolated than Mao was. No one dares advise him on anything. He listens only to the voices in his head.

er the recent 'two sessions' in Beijing was attended by many economists addressing economic growth.

Xi listens, just as Albo listens to economists here.

Stalin also held similar sessions... He even pretended to listen...

Stalin, long dead, isn't the subject, do try to keep up.

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Reply #268 - Apr 5^th, 2024 at 2:11pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 5^th, 2024 at 1:40pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 5:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 12:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:41am:

And it's Mao's policies that define the CCP which prevailed into the 21st century, not Marxist thought.

Er, in 1978 Deng introduced free market reforms; and in 2024 Xi is trying to overcome the disasters that result from adopting the free market as a master.

Don't you keep boasting about the CCP's success in lifting people out of starvation?

Please learn to read. The CCP has lifted more people out of poverty at the fastest rate of any country in history.

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Do you think that may have had something to do with the market reforms?

Yes.

But the current slowdown has everything to do with market failure.

Not because the CCP is repeating the mistakes of the past?

When did this slowdown begin?

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Reply #269 - Apr 5^th, 2024 at 2:30pm

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2024 at 2:11pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 5^th, 2024 at 1:40pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 5:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 12:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:41am:

And it's Mao's policies that define the CCP which prevailed into the 21st century, not Marxist thought.

Er, in 1978 Deng introduced free market reforms; and in 2024 Xi is trying to overcome the disasters that result from adopting the free market as a master.

Don't you keep boasting about the CCP's success in lifting people out of starvation?

Please learn to read. The CCP has lifted more people out of poverty at the fastest rate of any country in history.

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Do you think that may have had something to do with the market reforms?

Yes.

But the current slowdown has everything to do with market failure.

Not because the CCP is repeating the mistakes of the past?

?? Lifting people out of poverty at the fastest rate in history after Deng free market reforms.

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When did this slowdown begin?

From c. 2015, when people in the US, including notably Trump in 2017, realized that free trade with China would result in China overtaking the US in as little as a decade.

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