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Reply #315 - Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:11am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:08am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:01am:
freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:44am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 7th, 2024 at 9:03pm:
The most terrible mistake in human history.
55 million people in China died:


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/THa_nOO93ig


That one is a bit misleading. The CCP made a lot of terrible decisions that lead to all those deaths.



Is there a list?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine#Causes_of_the_famine

Communism was the main cause.



OK - sparrows is only one part:


Four Pests campaign


The Eurasian tree sparrow was the most notable target of the Four Pests campaign

In the Four Pests campaign, citizens were called upon to destroy mosquitoes, rats, flies, and sparrows.
The mass eradication of the sparrows resulted in an increase of the population of crop-eating insects,
which had no predators without the sparrows
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Reply #316 - Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:17am
 
Jasin wrote on Apr 7th, 2024 at 10:41pm:
Chinese saying: "Plenty more of us where we come from."

Not any more, it ain't!
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Reply #317 - Apr 8th, 2024 at 12:32pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 7th, 2024 at 8:27pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 7th, 2024 at 3:48pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 7th, 2024 at 2:44pm:
Are you saying that Detroit's slums are caused by the government going into debt instead of printing money?


No, I'm saying Detroit's slums resulted from failure of Detroit to compete with Tokyo (and Stuttgart), in an unregulated global free market.

And in similar fashion all over again, China is about to demolish the West's - including  Japan's and Germany's  - EV car industries, hence the US determination to exit free global trade via "decoupling".   


So where exactly is the "failure"? And what does it have to do with the US government not printing money?


The US government IS 'printing money', the US deficit is projected to reach  $100 trillion by the end of the decade, meaning $100 trillion will have been spent by the government but not 'paid' for.

Mainstream orthodox economists  are making a song and dance about it, but if they try to reduce the deficit - by reducing government spending or raising taxes, the economy will go into recession, or the voters will revolt.

[Indeed, voters want Trump's unfunded tax cuts to remain in force, while Biden is promising tax cuts  on incomes less than $400K; yet both men want to get elected, without slashing Medicare and Medicade payments which the voters also want maintained....].   

The problem is China ISN'T 'printing' enough money; it has one of the lowest central government debt to GDP ratios in the world (not including debt of regional governments which the PBofC can write off, because the Chinese government issues the yuan out of thin air like the US issues dollars out of thin air ("money printing") ].

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You seem to change the subject with every post. You don't actually understand or explain everything. You merely have an endless list of slogans to parrot.


Refuted above; your ignorance of how governments fund their spending  renders you incapable of understanding economic 'failure'.   

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How is this different to the way I phrased it?


See above.   
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Reply #318 - Apr 8th, 2024 at 12:57pm
 
Let's try this again. When I asked:

freediver wrote on Apr 7th, 2024 at 2:24pm:
Why don't western countries have the same problem?


I was referring to economic downturns caused by not printing enough money, not some other random problem you dream up. Not sure why this wasn't bleeding obvious at the time.

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All of the countries with a high GDP per capita do not habitually print money to fund regular government expenditure. So China out to be able to increase it's GDP per capita by a factor of 3 to 6, and decrease wealth disparity without printing money.

In contrast, every case I am aware of where governments tried what you suggest ended badly.
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Reply #319 - Apr 9th, 2024 at 12:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:08am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:01am:
freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:44am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 7th, 2024 at 9:03pm:
The most terrible mistake in human history.
55 million people in China died:


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/THa_nOO93ig


That one is a bit misleading. The CCP made a lot of terrible decisions that lead to all those deaths.



Is there a list?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine#Causes_of_the_famine

Communism was the main cause.


Oh dear...and you say I have trouble with English comprehension; your comprehension is crippled by your delusional "individual rights/"freedom/sovereignty" ideology.

Mao's erroneous policies were the cause.   
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Reply #320 - Apr 9th, 2024 at 12:28pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:11am:
freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:08am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:01am:
freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:44am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 7th, 2024 at 9:03pm:
The most terrible mistake in human history.
55 million people in China died:


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/THa_nOO93ig


That one is a bit misleading. The CCP made a lot of terrible decisions that lead to all those deaths.



Is there a list?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine#Causes_of_the_famine

Communism was the main cause.



OK - sparrows is only one part:


Four Pests campaign


The Eurasian tree sparrow was the most notable target of the Four Pests campaign

In the Four Pests campaign, citizens were called upon to destroy mosquitoes, rats, flies, and sparrows.
The mass eradication of the sparrows resulted in an increase of the population of crop-eating insects,
which had no predators without the sparrows


A bit like the problems caused by the introduction of rabbits into Oz.
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Reply #321 - Apr 9th, 2024 at 12:30pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 7th, 2024 at 9:03pm:
The most terrible mistake in human history.
55 million people in China died:


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/THa_nOO93ig


How about the 90 million dead in WW1 and 2?

The CCP had nothing to do with it.
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Reply #322 - Apr 9th, 2024 at 12:36pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 9th, 2024 at 12:25pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:08am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:01am:
freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:44am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 7th, 2024 at 9:03pm:
The most terrible mistake in human history.
55 million people in China died:


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/THa_nOO93ig


That one is a bit misleading. The CCP made a lot of terrible decisions that lead to all those deaths.



Is there a list?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine#Causes_of_the_famine

Communism was the main cause.


Oh dear...and you say I have trouble with English comprehension; your comprehension is crippled by your delusional "individual rights/"freedom/sovereignty" ideology.

Mao's erroneous policies were the cause.   


Mao's most erroneous policy was communism.
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Reply #323 - Apr 9th, 2024 at 12:37pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 9th, 2024 at 12:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 7th, 2024 at 9:03pm:
The most terrible mistake in human history.
55 million people in China died:


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/THa_nOO93ig


How about the 90 million dead in WW1 and 2?

The CCP had nothing to do with it.


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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He had to combine WWI and WWII to come up with a disaster worse than the CCP. And it did not even occur to him that this was a bad look.

BTW, how many of the deaths in WWII do you think can be attributed to the CCP undermining China's defence against the Japanese?
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Reply #324 - Apr 9th, 2024 at 12:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 12:57pm:
Let's try this again. When I asked:

freediver wrote on Apr 7th, 2024 at 2:24pm:
Why don't western countries have the same problem?


I was referring to economic downturns caused by not printing enough money, not some other random problem you dream up. Not sure why this wasn't bleeding obvious at the time.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/gdp_per_capita.PNG

All of the countries with a high GDP per capita do not habitually print money to fund regular government expenditure. So China out to be able to increase it's GDP per capita by a factor of 3 to 6, and decrease wealth disparity without printing money.


Among your errors there: the US - a developed country -  has higher inequality than China, which is a developing country.

Meantime the US is printing - and spending - money like crazy, hence its rapidly increasing debt (where is all that extra money coming from?)  - which isn't a problem, so long as the US economy remains productive.   

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In contrast, every case I am aware of where governments tried what you suggest ended badly.


Countries who didn't have the resources to back the money printing; doesn't apply to China.


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Reply #325 - Apr 9th, 2024 at 12:48pm
 
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Among your errors there: the US - a developed country


What country do you think the real human beings you are talking to on this forum are in?
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Reply #326 - Apr 9th, 2024 at 12:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2024 at 12:37pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 9th, 2024 at 12:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 7th, 2024 at 9:03pm:
The most terrible mistake in human history.
55 million people in China died:


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/THa_nOO93ig


How about the 90 million dead in WW1 and 2?

The CCP had nothing to do with it.


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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He had to combine WWI and WWII to come up with a disaster worse than the CCP. And it did not even occur to him that this was a bad look.


European "sovereign" nations slaughtering one another in greater numbers than Mao in China.

...your idea of "gold", apparently.

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BTW, how many of the deaths in WWII do you think can be attributed to the CCP undermining China's defence against the Japanese?


You tell us.

THe CCP were loathe to submit to Nationalist command.

The Japanese were the aggressors.
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Reply #327 - Apr 9th, 2024 at 12:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
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Among your errors there: the US - a developed country


What country do you think the real human beings you are talking to on this forum are in?


Irrelevant; the US is printing more money than China - and producing less. 
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Reply #328 - Apr 9th, 2024 at 1:08pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 9th, 2024 at 12:59pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
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Among your errors there: the US - a developed country


What country do you think the real human beings you are talking to on this forum are in?


Irrelevant; the US is printing more money than China - and producing less. 


I think it is relevant that you do not even know which country we are in.
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Reply #329 - Apr 9th, 2024 at 1:10pm
 
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European "sovereign" nations slaughtering one another in greater numbers than Mao in China.


Possibly true. Mao killed more people by trying to feed them than by trying to kill them. But he also had to kill a lot of people in order to do so.

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THe CCP were loathe to submit to Nationalist command.


They were also loathe to lift a finger to defend China from the Japanese. Even so, the Japanese did not kill as many Chinese people as Mao did.
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