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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda Reply #345 - Apr 14^th, 2024 at 3:49pm TGD, would you like to give an example of a dictatorship that granted people rights and freedoms?
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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #346 - Apr 14^th, 2024 at 3:58pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 12:47pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

Let's try this again. When I asked:

freediver wrote on Apr 7^th, 2024 at 2:24pm:

Why don't western countries have the same problem?

I was referring to economic downturns caused by not printing enough money, not some other random problem you dream up. Not sure why this wasn't bleeding obvious at the time.

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All of the countries with a high GDP per capita do not habitually print money to fund regular government expenditure. So China out to be able to increase it's GDP per capita by a factor of 3 to 6, and decrease wealth disparity without printing money.

Among your errors there: the US - a developed country - has higher inequality than China, which is a developing country.

Meantime the US is printing - and spending - money like crazy, hence its rapidly increasing debt (where is all that extra money coming from?) - which isn't a problem, so long as the US economy remains productive.

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In contrast, every case I am aware of where governments tried what you suggest ended badly.

Countries who didn't have the resources to back the money printing; doesn't apply to China.

Which western countries do you think have the same problem?

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Reply #347 - Apr 14^th, 2024 at 4:02pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 6^th, 2024 at 2:17pm:

Xi is NOT responsible for the mistakes of his mainstream economic advisors in the PBofC, nor for paranoid Western "decoupling" begun in the 2000s.

Is Xi responsible for any of his mistakes?

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 12:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 11:41am:

And it's Mao's policies that define the CCP which prevailed into the 21st century, not Marxist thought.

Er, in 1978 Deng introduced free market reforms; and in 2024 Xi is trying to overcome the disasters that result from adopting the free market as a master.

Were those free market reforms responsible for your boasts about lifting so many Chinese people out of poverty?

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 12:10pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 8:33pm:

Do you admit that your support for the CCP goes much further than your views being consistent with their policies?

No.

Is t CCP policy to blame others for Xi's mistakes?

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Reply #348 - Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:54pm

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 4:02pm:

Is Xi responsible for any of his mistakes?

Oh dear ...here comes the list of FD's dumb questions (... there IS such a thing as dumb questions, ya gotta believe it...)

Answer: Yes

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And it's Mao's policies that define the CCP which prevailed into the 21st century, not Marxist thought.

Wrong; Mao's policies died with him. Deng quickly changed course. Both leaders were trying to eradicate poverty in China, following Marxist thought.

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Were those free market reforms responsible for your boasts about lifting so many Chinese people out of poverty?

Yes. But the limitations of free markets are now coming into view.

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Do you admit that your support for the CCP goes much further than your views being consistent with their policies?

No.

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Is t CCP policy to blame others for Xi's mistakes?

Xi leads the CCP which agrees with his policies, in the same way as cabinet agrees with the policies of Albo who is leading the ALP.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda Reply #349 - Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:58pm thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:54pm: freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 4:02pm: Is Xi responsible for any of his mistakes? Oh dear ...here comes the list of FD's dumb questions (... there IS such a thing as dumb questions, ya gotta believe it...) Answer: Yes Can you give some examples?
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Reply #350 - Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:03pm

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:54pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 4:02pm:

Is Xi responsible for any of his mistakes?

Oh dear ...here comes the list of FD's dumb questions (... there IS such a thing as dumb questions, ya gotta believe it...)

Answer: Yes

Can you give some examples?

Failing to prevent the free-market inspired Evergrand 'housing as get-rich-quick' private investment disaster.

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Reply #351 - Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:21pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:54pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 4:02pm:

Is Xi responsible for any of his mistakes?

Oh dear ...here comes the list of FD's dumb questions (... there IS such a thing as dumb questions, ya gotta believe it...)

Answer: Yes

Can you give some examples?

Failing to prevent the free-market inspired Evergrand 'housing as get-rich-quick' private investment disaster.

What did he fail to do?

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Reply #352 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:31pm

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:54pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 4:02pm:

Is Xi responsible for any of his mistakes?

Oh dear ...here comes the list of FD's dumb questions (... there IS such a thing as dumb questions, ya gotta believe it...)

Answer: Yes

Can you give some examples?

Failing to prevent the free-market inspired Evergrand 'housing as get-rich-quick' private investment disaster.

What did he fail to do?

Failed to see the limitations of the free market, in this case resulting in loss of monies invested in housing by private citizens, along with the collapse of private sector real estate builders/companies (the biggest being Evergrade).

He should have ensured a large enough public housing sector to avoid over deveopment in the greed-based private housing ponzi (...see oz....)

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Reply #353 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:32pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:54pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 4:02pm:

Is Xi responsible for any of his mistakes?

Oh dear ...here comes the list of FD's dumb questions (... there IS such a thing as dumb questions, ya gotta believe it...)

Answer: Yes

Can you give some examples?

Failing to prevent the free-market inspired Evergrand 'housing as get-rich-quick' private investment disaster.

What did he fail to do?

Failed to see the limitations of the free market, in this case resulting in loss of monies invested in housing by private citizens, along with the collapse of private sector real estate builders/companies (the biggest being Evergrade).

You actually think Xi was unaware of the possibility of losing your money on an investment?

Why do you think the CCP would put such a moron in charge of the country?

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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #354 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:46pm

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:54pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 4:02pm:

Is Xi responsible for any of his mistakes?

Oh dear ...here comes the list of FD's dumb questions (... there IS such a thing as dumb questions, ya gotta believe it...)

Answer: Yes

Can you give some examples?

Failing to prevent the free-market inspired Evergrand 'housing as get-rich-quick' private investment disaster.

What did he fail to do?

Failed to see the limitations of the free market, in this case resulting in loss of monies invested in housing by private citizens, along with the collapse of private sector real estate builders/companies (the biggest being Evergrade).

You actually think Xi was unaware of the possibility of losing your money on an investment?

Why do you think the CCP would put such a moron in charge of the country?

Because the CCP, like succesive Oz Lib-Lab govts, saw private housing investment as "wealth creation", not seeing it as a private sector ponzi, without understanding the ponzi would fail in China without immigration to keep it going.

Xi woke up eventually - hence his belated assertion that "houses are for living in, not for investment vehicles" but not before Evergrande was exposed as the world's biggest indebted real estate company, and the damage to the Chinese economy became evident.

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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #355 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:48pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:46pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:54pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 4:02pm:

Is Xi responsible for any of his mistakes?

Oh dear ...here comes the list of FD's dumb questions (... there IS such a thing as dumb questions, ya gotta believe it...)

Answer: Yes

Can you give some examples?

Failing to prevent the free-market inspired Evergrand 'housing as get-rich-quick' private investment disaster.

What did he fail to do?

Failed to see the limitations of the free market, in this case resulting in loss of monies invested in housing by private citizens, along with the collapse of private sector real estate builders/companies (the biggest being Evergrade).

You actually think Xi was unaware of the possibility of losing your money on an investment?

Why do you think the CCP would put such a moron in charge of the country?

Because the CCP, like succesive Oz Lib-Lab govts, saw private housing investment as "wealth creation", not seeing it as a private sector ponzi, without understanding it would fail in China without immigration to keep the ponzi going.

Xi woke up eventually - hence his belated assertion that "houses are for living in, not for investment vehicles" but not before Evergrande was exposed as the world's biggest indebted real estate company, and the damage to the Chinese economy became evident.

So you think that building, owning and renting out real estate can only ever be a scam?

And failing to believe this was a mistake made by Xi?

What other mistakes do you think he made?

And why do you think so many more people would rather leave China that migrate in?

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Reply #356 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:50pm

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:46pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:54pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 4:02pm:

Is Xi responsible for any of his mistakes?

Oh dear ...here comes the list of FD's dumb questions (... there IS such a thing as dumb questions, ya gotta believe it...)

Answer: Yes

Can you give some examples?

Failing to prevent the free-market inspired Evergrand 'housing as get-rich-quick' private investment disaster.

What did he fail to do?

Failed to see the limitations of the free market, in this case resulting in loss of monies invested in housing by private citizens, along with the collapse of private sector real estate builders/companies (the biggest being Evergrade).

You actually think Xi was unaware of the possibility of losing your money on an investment?

Why do you think the CCP would put such a moron in charge of the country?

Because the CCP, like succesive Oz Lib-Lab govts, saw private housing investment as "wealth creation", not seeing it as a private sector ponzi, without understanding it would fail in China without immigration to keep the ponzi going.

Xi woke up eventually - hence his belated assertion that "houses are for living in, not for investment vehicles" but not before Evergrande was exposed as the world's biggest indebted real estate company, and the damage to the Chinese economy became evident.

So you think that building, owning and renting out real estate can only ever be a scam?

Another ideologically brain-damaged question...

Answer: no.

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Reply #357 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:51pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:50pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:46pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:54pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 4:02pm:

Is Xi responsible for any of his mistakes?

Oh dear ...here comes the list of FD's dumb questions (... there IS such a thing as dumb questions, ya gotta believe it...)

Answer: Yes

Can you give some examples?

Failing to prevent the free-market inspired Evergrand 'housing as get-rich-quick' private investment disaster.

What did he fail to do?

Failed to see the limitations of the free market, in this case resulting in loss of monies invested in housing by private citizens, along with the collapse of private sector real estate builders/companies (the biggest being Evergrade).

You actually think Xi was unaware of the possibility of losing your money on an investment?

Why do you think the CCP would put such a moron in charge of the country?

Because the CCP, like succesive Oz Lib-Lab govts, saw private housing investment as "wealth creation", not seeing it as a private sector ponzi, without understanding it would fail in China without immigration to keep the ponzi going.

Xi woke up eventually - hence his belated assertion that "houses are for living in, not for investment vehicles" but not before Evergrande was exposed as the world's biggest indebted real estate company, and the damage to the Chinese economy became evident.

So you think that building, owning and renting out real estate can only ever be a scam?

Another ideologically brain-damaged question...

Answer: no.

Is private housing investment a ponzi scheme?

What other mistakes do you think Xi made?

And why do you think so many more people would rather leave China that migrate in?

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Reply #358 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 1:37pm

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:51pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:50pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:46pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 5:54pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 4:02pm:

Is Xi responsible for any of his mistakes?

Oh dear ...here comes the list of FD's dumb questions (... there IS such a thing as dumb questions, ya gotta believe it...)

Answer: Yes

Can you give some examples?

Failing to prevent the free-market inspired Evergrand 'housing as get-rich-quick' private investment disaster.

What did he fail to do?

Failed to see the limitations of the free market, in this case resulting in loss of monies invested in housing by private citizens, along with the collapse of private sector real estate builders/companies (the biggest being Evergrade).

You actually think Xi was unaware of the possibility of losing your money on an investment?

Why do you think the CCP would put such a moron in charge of the country?

Because the CCP, like succesive Oz Lib-Lab govts, saw private housing investment as "wealth creation", not seeing it as a private sector ponzi, without understanding it would fail in China without immigration to keep the ponzi going.

Xi woke up eventually - hence his belated assertion that "houses are for living in, not for investment vehicles" but not before Evergrande was exposed as the world's biggest indebted real estate company, and the damage to the Chinese economy became evident.

So you think that building, owning and renting out real estate can only ever be a scam?

Another ideologically brain-damaged question...

Answer: no.

Is private housing investment a ponzi scheme?

It is in Oz, which is why Oz has among the most expensive housing in the world (backed by the highest immigation rates in the world compared to population) and a housing crisis to boot....

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What other mistakes do you think Xi made?

Failure to maintain full employemnt: the increase in youth - especially graduate - unemployment up to and beyond 20% (caused in part by 'successful' paranoid US 'decoupling' efforts eg the decimation of Huawei, formerly a massive employer) is egregious.

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And why do you think so many more people would rather leave China that migrate in?

Link?

Of course there are still 700 million poor people in China who might be thinking 'the grass is greener over there'.

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Reply #359 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 1:45pm

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CHN/china/net-migration#:~:text=The%20net%20migration%20rate%20for,a%200.79%25%20increase%20from%202021.

The net migration rate for China in 2023 was -0.256 per 1000 population, a 0.79% increase from 2022.
The net migration rate for China in 2022 was -0.254 per 1000 population, a 0.79% increase from 2021.
The net migration rate for China in 2021 was -0.252 per 1000 population, a 1.2% increase from 2020.

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It is in Oz

What makes you think that?

Are you saying it was Xi's mistake to not see housing in China as a ponzi scheme, even though it was not a ponzi scheme?

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