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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12978 Gender:	Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda Reply #30 - Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 10:04am Bobby. wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 3:26pm: TGD has shown allegiance to a foreign power. No. I have shown allegiance to to the concept of "common prosperity". (No wonder you can't see your fake 'cultural Marxism' thread is - fake).
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Reply #31 - Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 10:15am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:31pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:26pm:

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No, since my posts are almost exclusively concerned with the concept of "common prosperity" - which your blind "individual rights" ideology renders unattainable because individuals are naturally competitive and self-interested.

Are you saying this is the reason why your posts on this forum are indistinguishable from CCP policy?

Poor FD's low IQ:

No, I'm saying I'm only addressing ONE CCP policy.

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 9:58am:

any similarity with CCP policy is incidental

Including the fact that the term you use to describe it is straight from CCP propaganda? Just a coincidence? What is the one CCP policy you said you were addressing? Is the meaning that you attach to "common prosperity" the same as the CCP's?

Are you aware of anything you have posted on this forum that contradicts CCP policy?

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Churchill was correct when he observed: "democracy is the worst form of government" .....but showed total lack of vision when he added "except for all the rest"

Can you identify a form of government that works better than democracy?

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Reply #32 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 12:53pm

freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 10:15am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:31pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:26pm:

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No, since my posts are almost exclusively concerned with the concept of "common prosperity" - which your blind "individual rights" ideology renders unattainable because individuals are naturally competitive and self-interested.

Are you saying this is the reason why your posts on this forum are indistinguishable from CCP policy?

Poor FD's low IQ:

No, I'm saying I'm only addressing ONE CCP policy.

Including the fact that the term you use to describe it is straight from CCP propaganda? Just a coincidence?

I'm using the term because it means the same as 'shared prosperity' (which we all profess to want), indeed the same as 'the common welfare', somewhat ironically and controversially written into the preamble of the US constitution - which has created the most unequal extremes of wealth on the planet.

Note: Paine was subject to the same confusion re "rights", in the emerging philosphies at the time of the 'enlightenment', when he wrote:

"The world is my country, all men are my brethren, and to do good is my religion

A remarkable statement founded in the concepts of universal morality, justice and fairness, most recently expressed in the UNUDHR.

But his later ideas on government are contradictory, because he has fallen for 'the rights of man' delusion, ie as opposed to the right of all men to live in liberty, not slavery or poverty.

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What is the one CCP policy you said you were addressing? Is the meaning that you attach to "common prosperity" the same as the CCP's?

Admittedly you are a slow learner - blinded by idoleogy; but don't ask again, since I have now spelled it out for you above - again.

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Are you aware of anything you have posted on this forum that contradicts CCP policy?

Another dumb question...

Yes; eg, the CCP, though committed to UN multi-lateralism as opposed to US global hegemony, apparently supports the UNSC veto ......like you - surprise!

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Can you identify a form of government that works better than democracy?

At last, a sensible question.

Yes, 'benevolent meritocratic authority' may work better than blind-leading-the-blind democracy.

Certainly worth a try. True democrats would advise the Chinese government how to achieve good governance under that system, instead of trying to destroy it as part of an attempt to self-interestedly maintain hegemony of "the worst form of government".

As it is, attacks arising from the paranoia and delusions of the current crop of 'democats' who are ruling the "free" world only encourages insular thinking in the CCP.

We will see; the statements coming out of the recent 'two sessions' conference of leading economists and politicians in Beijing sound good.

If they are realized, the CCP will survive as the world's most successful political party engendering "common prosperty", while more and more 'democracies' implode under increasing inequality and decreasing social cohesion.

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Reply #33 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:09pm

TGD,
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If they are realized, the CCP will survive as the world's most successful political party
engendering "common prosperty", while more and more 'democracies' implode
under increasing inequality and decreasing social cohesion.

The problem is that we don't have true democracy in Australia.

A good example is the mass immigration we see right now.
No one voted for that and it's destroying our society.
It happens because the 2 major parties agreed behind closed doors to
take certain topics off the political agenda.
They make us worry about things like poofter marriage instead -
while the important things get passed in parliament by stealth - covertly.

The Yanks are no different -
my bet is that 90% of the things happening there were never voted on either.

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Reply #34 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:21pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 10:04am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 3:26pm:

TGD has shown allegiance to a foreign power.

No. I have shown allegiance to to the concept of "common prosperity".

(No wonder you can't see your fake 'cultural Marxism' thread is - fake). Sad

OK - bring it about ..... Tent City is waiting to get out past the barriers..... first, for you, though - you need to define 'prosperity' and then 'common prosperity'....

Get started..... I haven't got all day to hand feed the slow IQs here ... **chucks his cheek** you li'l ol' budding supremacist you... aren't you such a big tough boy ....

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Reply #35 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:23pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:09pm:

TGD,
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If they are realized, the CCP will survive as the world's most successful political party
engendering "common prosperty", while more and more 'democracies' implode
under increasing inequality and decreasing social cohesion.

The problem is that we don't have true democracy in Australia.

A good example is the mass immigration we see right now.
No one voted for that and it's destroying our society.
It happens because the 2 major parties agreed behind closed doors to
take certain topics off the political agenda.
They make us worry about things like poofter marriage instead -
while the important things get passed in parliament by stealth - covertly.

The Yanks are no different -
my bet is that 90% of the things happening there were never voted on either.

Good post.

I proffered to FD an example of an alternative model for good governance other than democracy - "the worst form of government" (....according to Churchill, no less).

Can you offer a model for "true democracy" (your words); social cohesion in the EU's democracies is also imploding under the refugee crises, and the number of democracies in the world is falling, according to a recent report.

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Reply #36 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:35pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:09pm:

TGD,
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If they are realized, the CCP will survive as the world's most successful political party
engendering "common prosperty", while more and more 'democracies' implode
under increasing inequality and decreasing social cohesion.

The problem is that we don't have true democracy in Australia.

A good example is the mass immigration we see right now.
No one voted for that and it's destroying our society.
It happens because the 2 major parties agreed behind closed doors to
take certain topics off the political agenda.
They make us worry about things like poofter marriage instead -
while the important things get passed in parliament by stealth - covertly.

The Yanks are no different -
my bet is that 90% of the things happening there were never voted on either.

Good post.

I proffered to FD an example of an alternative model for good governance other than democracy - "the worst form of government" (....according to Churchill, no less).

Can you offer a model for "true democracy" (your words); social cohesion in the EU's democracies is also imploding under the refugee crises, and the number of democracies in the world is falling, according to a recent report.

The politicians need to go to elections with true lists of what they intend to do.
If it's mass immigration of millions of people
when there is no housing for them - which causes sky rocketing rents and house, unit and flat prices -
they need to tell us first.

The politicians are robbing us of our democracy.
They are traitors to Australia - all of them in the major parties.

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Reply #37 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:51pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:09pm:

TGD,
Quote:

If they are realized, the CCP will survive as the world's most successful political party
engendering "common prosperty", while more and more 'democracies' implode
under increasing inequality and decreasing social cohesion.

The problem is that we don't have true democracy in Australia.

A good example is the mass immigration we see right now.
No one voted for that and it's destroying our society.
It happens because the 2 major parties agreed behind closed doors to
take certain topics off the political agenda.
They make us worry about things like poofter marriage instead -
while the important things get passed in parliament by stealth - covertly.

The Yanks are no different -
my bet is that 90% of the things happening there were never voted on either.

It's called 'Representative Democracy', Bobby.

If you'd prefer 'Direct Democracy', you'll have to move to Liechtenstein.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11593 armidale Gender:	Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda Reply #38 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:52pm Oz is 27% ruled by China's dictators, and two-way trade with China increased 12 per cent in FY2022-23, totalling $316.9 billion. Loss of this will deter immigration, reduce house-investor profiteering and raise the fruit-picker numbers.
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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #39 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:51pm:

It's called 'Representative Democracy', Bobby.

If you'd prefer 'Direct Democracy', you'll have to move to Liechtenstein.

The politicians need to go to elections with true lists of what they intend to do.
If it's mass immigration of millions of people
when there is no housing for them - which causes sky rocketing rents and house, unit and flat prices -
they need to tell us first.

The politicians are robbing us of our democracy.
They are traitors to Australia - all of them in the major parties.

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Reply #40 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:11pm

chimera wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:52pm:

Oz is 27% ruled by China's dictators, and two-way trade with China increased 12 per cent in FY2022-23, totalling $316.9 billion. Loss of this will deter immigration, reduce house-investor profiteering and raise the fruit-picker numbers.

But will the loss of iron-ore royalties paid to the Oz government's treasury still enable funding for necessary government programs (health, age care) ?

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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #41 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:14pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 10:04am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 3:26pm:

TGD has shown allegiance to a foreign power.

No. I have shown allegiance to to the concept of "common prosperity".

(No wonder you can't see your fake 'cultural Marxism' thread is - fake). Sad

OK - bring it about ..... Tent City is waiting to get out past the barriers..... first, for you, though - you need to define 'prosperity' and then 'common prosperity'....

Common prosperity: absence of poverty (NOT equality of outcome), and housing and jobs for all.

Oz has more than enough resources to achieve it.

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Reply #42 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:23pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 10:04am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 3:26pm:

TGD has shown allegiance to a foreign power.

No. I have shown allegiance to to the concept of "common prosperity".

(No wonder you can't see your fake 'cultural Marxism' thread is - fake). Sad

OK - bring it about ..... Tent City is waiting to get out past the barriers..... first, for you, though - you need to define 'prosperity' and then 'common prosperity'....

Common prosperity: absence of poverty (NOT equality of outcome), and housing and jobs for all.

Oz has more than enough resources to achieve it.

Ah, so - who is more prosperous... Tent Citizen or ocean shores drinking rum every night, free pussy, boat and food and medical treatment flown in beach bum ? Ardent young student studying medicine to better his people while living in one room walk-up or beach bum wasting away down in Margueritaville?

Ah, so - how you create common prosperity? How you define?

Next Pascoe move - teach 'em ancient aquaculture on beach living somewhere.... all mod cons provided.... goin' set up an Aboriginal style aquaculture farm and show Whartey how it's done....

What we have here.... is common prosperity for the peasantry - and uncommon prosperity for the self-appointed or arbitrarily appointed betters... which raises the question ....

Does an Abrogator who holds a private hunting preserve - no poachers allowed - live in greater prosperity than a homeless beggar Abrogator living on the East Coast? The migration to the coast is on with winter coming, you know - ask any seaside town cop .....

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Reply #43 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:31pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:51pm:

It's called 'Representative Democracy', Bobby.

If you'd prefer 'Direct Democracy', you'll have to move to Liechtenstein.

The politicians need to go to elections with true lists of what they intend to do.
If it's mass immigration of millions of people
when there is no housing for them - which causes sky rocketing rents and house, unit and flat prices -
they need to tell us first.

The politicians are robbing us of our democracy.
They are traitors to Australia - all of them in the major parties.

Actually, neoclassical economists - serving the interests of financial elites, at the centres of power - are destroying our democracy, via the dogma of the "independent" reserve bank, which takes policy-making out of the hands of elected representatives.

(...allowing Chalmers to claim "we don't control interest rates"....)

Most pollies think they are freely legislating policies, but they are subject to obsolete economic orthodoxy, believing government budgets are subject to the same constraints as household budgets.

That's why it's always a choice between tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum; the government is "broke" whichever party is in office.

But you can't see it, being duped by neoclassical economic orthodoxy.

As is the government, thinking we have to increase the population to increase prosperity - an obvious error, except to 'continuous growth' neoclassical economists.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11593 armidale Gender:	Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda Reply #44 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:36pm thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:11pm: But will the loss of iron-ore royalties paid to the Oz government's treasury still enable funding for necessary government programs (health, age care) ? of course not. why do you ask?
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