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I wouldn't call it a discussion. You made several vague claims. I asked you what you meant. You told me I had to google it. Why do you keep bringing it up if you do not know what it means? Are you reading from some kind of pamphlet?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 12:16pm:


Because we do not allow them to have cheap accommodation. The standard of accommodation that China's poor suffer would be treated as some kind of human rights violation here. But the cost of such high standards is that for our poorest, rent alone takes up a disproportionate part of their income.

Or they might be drug addicts.

In any case, if you want to make an argument based on PPP, you will have to tell us what it is. I cannot point out why you are wrong if you are afraid to even say it. The fact that our welfare is double the average Chinese salary is not meaningless. People would rather be on welfare in Australia than doing a typical job in China. People will come from top jobs like being a doctor in poor countries to being a tax driver in Australia.

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People are allowed to sleep in tents. When I said we do not allow them to "have" cheap accommodation, I should have said, we do not allow them to "rent" cheap accommodation.

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Is that your entire point? Copying and pasting the definition of PPP because you do not understand what it means? Is there an actual point to yor repeatedly bringing it up, or have you merely been instructed to use the acronym in a sentence?

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If you agree with what I say, why do you keep mentioning PPP?

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Sure. It allows for that. But you are incapable of it. All you can do is blurt out "PPP" at random intervals.

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No they aren't. Have you ever been to Australia?

"CCP propaganda"?

Here's propaganda for you: the EU and US continuously bleating about loss of "fundamental freedoms" in Macao and HK, since the return of those provinces to the mother-land.

ie, the "fundamental freedoms" - so beloved of blindly self-interested "freedom values" ideologues - namely, the "freedom" to vote in adversarial two party  elections,  rather than  accept rule of law in a one-party meritocracy.

My message for the US and EU: stop being paranoid about China, and prove you have the better system of governance , while dealing with the hyperpartisanship, and cost of living crises in your own dysfunctional 'democracies'. 

Things aren't looking good: China is already producing the world's most affordable high quality EVs - which are now banned in the West (though not Oz which stopped subsidizing its car industry and lost it..)and so will have to pay for the more expensive  EVs made in  Detroit and  Stuttgart.   

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2024 at 8:38am:


Are you sure you live in Oz? Obviously I know more about the current conditions in Oz than you do (...and you claiming anything about "lies" is a moot point...)

Homeless people in Brisbane are living in tents in city parks (and the weather makes that a bearable option in the North). 

And even a high income WA MP  is homeless (can't find ANY rental) as noted previously; though he admitted he can afford hotels while most wage earners can't.

Then there's the 1 million people relying on Food Bank for food.

And the "several million people who are receiving  some kind of welfare"  are currently suffering a cost of living crisis, which is leading to this:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-17/business-insolvencies-hit-record-highs-cr...

Business insolvencies hit record highs with worse to come, warns CreditorWatch 

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The Chinese government was forced to deal with pollution in its cities, hence the state-subsidized PV and EV industries resulting in China now being a world leader in those industries. 

Unfortunately most people in the paranoid "freedom values" West won't be able to benefit from affordable Chinese EVs, since the US and EU  whacked on huge tarrifs to defend their own subsidized industries (eg GM only exists today because Obama saved it).

(Oz let it's car industry go, because the Libs refused to subsidize it, unlike most other countries). 

China only has to wake up that it has a vast home market, and that China can subsidize its low-wage earners for free, meaning China doesn't need to rely on rich buyers in the US and EU to purchase its cars.