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Reply #45 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:36pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:23pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 10:04am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 3:26pm:

TGD has shown allegiance to a foreign power.

No. I have shown allegiance to to the concept of "common prosperity".

(No wonder you can't see your fake 'cultural Marxism' thread is - fake). Sad

OK - bring it about ..... Tent City is waiting to get out past the barriers..... first, for you, though - you need to define 'prosperity' and then 'common prosperity'....

Common prosperity: absence of poverty (NOT equality of outcome), and housing and jobs for all.

Oz has more than enough resources to achieve it.

Ah, so - who is more prosperous...?

Did you miss it? Those with houses and jobs, with their prosperity confirmed by longer life expectancy on average.

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Reply #46 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:38pm

chimera wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:11pm:

But will the loss of iron-ore royalties paid to the Oz government's treasury still enable funding for necessary government programs (health, age care) ?

of course not. why do you ask?

Oz needs China to continue to buy its iron ore at current prices and quantity, to maintain government spending.

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Reply #47 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:39pm

chimera wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:11pm:

But will the loss of iron-ore royalties paid to the Oz government's treasury still enable funding for necessary government programs (health, age care) ?

of course not. why do you ask?

Don't forget Abrogator royalties first... then the dole as well.... gotta pay that rent somehow.... open your eyes...

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Reply #48 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:41pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:23pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 10:04am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 3:26pm:

TGD has shown allegiance to a foreign power.

No. I have shown allegiance to to the concept of "common prosperity".

(No wonder you can't see your fake 'cultural Marxism' thread is - fake). Sad

OK - bring it about ..... Tent City is waiting to get out past the barriers..... first, for you, though - you need to define 'prosperity' and then 'common prosperity'....

Common prosperity: absence of poverty (NOT equality of outcome), and housing and jobs for all.

Oz has more than enough resources to achieve it.

Ah, so - who is more prosperous...?

Did you miss it? Those with houses and jobs, with their prosperity confirmed by longer life expectancy on average.

Ah so - beach bum job and house provided is prosperous.... so medicine student Abrogator living on SA prosperous, too? Huh

Rent citizenry is a job now?

How you find all these 'jobs'? Ayers rock, remember - public bought Ayers for the Abrogators, they ran it and had 'jobs' to guarantee their futures' etc.....now it's all failed and they want to sell it for the quick bucks for a big party, Errol - you bring a woman, ay?

Where you find these jobs?

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Reply #49 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:43pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:39pm:

chimera wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:11pm:

But will the loss of iron-ore royalties paid to the Oz government's treasury still enable funding for necessary government programs (health, age care) ?

of course not. why do you ask?

Don't forget Abrogator royalties first... then the dole as well.... gotta pay that rent somehow.... open your eyes...

Those are costs to the government, not revenues.

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Reply #50 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:46pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:43pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:39pm:

chimera wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:11pm:

But will the loss of iron-ore royalties paid to the Oz government's treasury still enable funding for necessary government programs (health, age care) ?

of course not. why do you ask?

Don't forget Abrogator royalties first... then the dole as well.... gotta pay that rent somehow.... open your eyes...

Those are costs to the government, not revenues.

Strange comment..... whatchu smokin', boy? Duzzen follow anywhere on from this little sub-strand... got a side-step as wide as the Harbour Bridge, that boy....

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Reply #51 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:51pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:41pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:23pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 10:04am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 3:26pm:

TGD has shown allegiance to a foreign power.

No. I have shown allegiance to to the concept of "common prosperity".

(No wonder you can't see your fake 'cultural Marxism' thread is - fake). Sad

OK - bring it about ..... Tent City is waiting to get out past the barriers..... first, for you, though - you need to define 'prosperity' and then 'common prosperity'....

Common prosperity: absence of poverty (NOT equality of outcome), and housing and jobs for all.

Oz has more than enough resources to achieve it.

Ah, so - who is more prosperous...?

Did you miss it? Those with houses and jobs, with their prosperity confirmed by longer life expectancy on average.

Ah so - beach bum job and house provided is prosperous....

No; the gap stats prove your nonsense wrong.

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...jobs ....

Are you dementing, or just playing dumb.

I have linked to the Job Guarantee many times; that you don't recognize the value of useful work (outside of the regular job market) is no excuse to remain ignorant.

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Reply #52 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 3:01pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:46pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:43pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:39pm:

chimera wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:11pm:

But will the loss of iron-ore royalties paid to the Oz government's treasury still enable funding for necessary government programs (health, age care) ?

of course not. why do you ask?

Don't forget Abrogator royalties first... then the dole as well.... gotta pay that rent somehow.... open your eyes...

Those are costs to the government, not revenues.

Strange comment.....

So facts are swept aside as 'strange comments' ....
The subject was Oz govt. tax royalties received from flogging iron ore to China - govt. revenue.

You changed it to royalties the govt PAYS black corporations as compensation for land 'tresspass' by mining companies, etc. - govt. expenditure.

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Reply #53 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 3:17pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:38pm:

Oz needs China to continue to buy its iron ore at current prices and quantity, to maintain government spending.

uhuh..aduh..
so my post was: 'Oz is 27% ruled by China's dictators, and two-way trade with China increased 12 per cent in FY2022-23, totalling $316.9 billion. Loss of this will deter immigration, reduce house-investor profiteering and raise the fruit-picker numbers'.

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Reply #54 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 4:59pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:51pm:

It's called 'Representative Democracy', Bobby.

If you'd prefer 'Direct Democracy', you'll have to move to Liechtenstein.

The politicians need to go to elections with true lists of what they intend to do.
If it's mass immigration of millions of people
when there is no housing for them - which causes sky rocketing rents and house, unit and flat prices -
they need to tell us first.

The politicians are robbing us of our democracy.
They are traitors to Australia - all of them in the major parties.

Actually, neoclassical economists - serving the interests of financial elites, at the centres of power - are destroying our democracy, via the dogma of the "independent" reserve bank, which takes policy-making out of the hands of elected representatives.

(...allowing Chalmers to claim "we don't control interest rates"....)

Most pollies think they are freely legislating policies, but they are subject to obsolete economic orthodoxy, believing government budgets are subject to the same constraints as household budgets.

That's why it's always a choice between tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum; the government is "broke" whichever party is in office.

But you can't see it, being duped by neoclassical economic orthodoxy.

As is the government, thinking we have to increase the population to increase prosperity - an obvious error, except to 'continuous growth' neoclassical economists.

Then the RBA should have refused to buy all the Govt Bonds
so the money printing would stop.

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Reply #55 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 8:38am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 12:53pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 10:15am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:31pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:26pm:

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No, since my posts are almost exclusively concerned with the concept of "common prosperity" - which your blind "individual rights" ideology renders unattainable because individuals are naturally competitive and self-interested.

Are you saying this is the reason why your posts on this forum are indistinguishable from CCP policy?

Poor FD's low IQ:

No, I'm saying I'm only addressing ONE CCP policy.

Including the fact that the term you use to describe it is straight from CCP propaganda? Just a coincidence?

I'm using the term because it means the same as 'shared prosperity' (which we all profess to want), indeed the same as 'the common welfare', somewhat ironically and controversially written into the preamble of the US constitution - which has created the most unequal extremes of wealth on the planet.

Note: Paine was subject to the same confusion re "rights", in the emerging philosphies at the time of the 'enlightenment', when he wrote:

"The world is my country, all men are my brethren, and to do good is my religion

A remarkable statement founded in the concepts of universal morality, justice and fairness, most recently expressed in the UNUDHR.

But his later ideas on government are contradictory, because he has fallen for 'the rights of man' delusion, ie as opposed to the right of all men to live in liberty, not slavery or poverty.

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What is the one CCP policy you said you were addressing? Is the meaning that you attach to "common prosperity" the same as the CCP's?

Admittedly you are a slow learner - blinded by idoleogy; but don't ask again, since I have now spelled it out for you above - again.

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Are you aware of anything you have posted on this forum that contradicts CCP policy?

Another dumb question...

Yes; eg, the CCP, though committed to UN multi-lateralism as opposed to US global hegemony, apparently supports the UNSC veto ......like you - surprise!

No you haven't answered it. You are dodging the question. You have merely given three different terms that could mean just about anything.

Do you mean the same thing as the CCP when you say common prosperity?

Are you aware of anything you have posted on this forum that contradicts CCP policy?

What is the 'one CCP policy' you said you were addressing?

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Reply #56 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 10:19am

Britain is set to declare China a threat to national security after two malicious cyber campaigns targeting Westminster parliamentarians and Britain’s 40 million voters.

Australia’s Five Eyes spy network supported Britain in identifying China state-affiliated actors as responsible for two malicious cyber campaigns targeting Westminster parliamentarians and Britain’s 40 million voters.

Britain has raised the issue of China’s targeting of British democratic institutions and political processes with the Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi and has made public its concerns about China so “other countries should see the detail of threats that our systems and democracies face”.

Oliver Dowden, Britain’s deputy Prime Minister, also indicated the UK would officially declare China a threat, The Times reports.

In an unprecedented joint operation to expose Chinese espionage, London and Washington revealed details of a decade-long campaign by Beijing to “repress critics, compromise government institutions, and steal trade secrets”, The Times reports.

In the UK ministers revealed that China had successfully gained access to a “treasure trove” of personal information in a cyberattack on Britain’s election watchdog and had attempted to spy on MPs critical of Beijing.

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Reply #57 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 1:21pm

chimera wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 3:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:38pm:

Oz needs China to continue to buy its iron ore at current prices and quantity, to maintain government spending.

uhuh..aduh..
so my post was: 'Oz is 27% ruled by China's dictators, and two-way trade with China increased 12 per cent in FY2022-23, totalling $316.9 billion. Loss of this will deter immigration, reduce house-investor profiteering and raise the fruit-picker numbers'.

and also reduce funding for age care, education, and public housing?

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Reply #58 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 1:24pm

Frank wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 10:19am:

Britain is set to declare China a threat to national security after two malicious cyber campaigns targeting Westminster parliamentarians and Britain’s 40 million voters.

Australia’s Five Eyes spy network supported Britain in identifying China state-affiliated actors as responsible for two malicious cyber campaigns targeting Westminster parliamentarians and Britain’s 40 million voters.

Britain has raised the issue of China’s targeting of British democratic institutions and political processes with the Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi and has made public its concerns about China so “other countries should see the detail of threats that our systems and democracies face”.

Oliver Dowden, Britain’s deputy Prime Minister, also indicated the UK would officially declare China a threat, The Times reports.

In an unprecedented joint operation to expose Chinese espionage, London and Washington revealed details of a decade-long campaign by Beijing to “repress critics, compromise government institutions, and steal trade secrets”, The Times reports.

In the UK ministers revealed that China had successfully gained access to a “treasure trove” of personal information in a cyberattack on Britain’s election watchdog and had attempted to spy on MPs critical of Beijing.

It's mirror time: the 'five eyes' headed by US 'security' spooks are the most egregious cyber actors on the globe.

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Reply #59 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 1:36pm

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 8:38am: