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Reply #570 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:09pm

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Jasin wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 10:57am:

China to save Taiwan from the American democracy for homosexuals, transvestites and other sexually dysfunctionals???

Taiwan is part of China according to both the US and the UN; the US is only trying to foment a civil war between Chinese on both sides of the Taiwan Straits.....regardless of which nation has the most LBGXWZ people...

China belongs to Taiwan.

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Reply #571 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 1:03pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 10:08am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 9:04am:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 8:45am:

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More fun and games in "the worst form of government":

Certainly more fun than 100 million corpses.

Ancient history.

Some party. Same instititon. Same culture. Same lies. Same mindless propaganda.

No mindless propaganda,

There is plenty. For example: "ancient history". Another example: their handling of covid.

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Are you suggesting that the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves from the CCP today than they were in the past? If so, how?

Simple: the Chinese people - seeing the chaos in the US government - are increasingly inclined to stay with their CCP government.

Another example of mindless propaganda. BTW, you did not actually answer the question. Are you suggesting that the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves from the CCP today than they were in the past? If so, how? Is is the parroting the propaganda their method of defending themselves? If so, how did that work out during the Great Chinese Famine?

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Reply #572 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 1:48pm

Frank wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 11:30am:

Jasin wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 10:57am:

China to save Taiwan from the American democracy for homosexuals, transvestites and other sexually dysfunctionals???

Taiwan is part of China according to both the US and the UN; the US is only trying to foment a civil war between Chinese on both sides of the Taiwan Straits.....regardless of which nation has the most LBGXWZ people...

China belongs to Taiwan.

Well - indeed, they belong to one-another....aka the 'One China' principle supported by the US and the UN.

But you always get brain-dead secessionsts in any nation; a large number of US Republicans want to secede from the US.

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Reply #573 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 2:00pm

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 1:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 10:08am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 9:04am:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 8:45am:

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More fun and games in "the worst form of government":

Certainly more fun than 100 million corpses.

Ancient history.

Some party. Same instititon. Same culture. Same lies. Same mindless propaganda.

No mindless propaganda,

There is plenty. For example: "ancient history". Another example: their handling of covid.

Already refuted.

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Another example of mindless propaganda.

Not propaganda: a recent Harvard study shows many more Chinese are happy with the 'federal' government than in the US.

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BTW, you did not actually answer the question.

Yes I did; just goes to show your delusional "individual rights/freedom" ideology cripples your capacity for logical analysis: people don't want to be defended from something they perceive as advantageous to them.

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Reply #574 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 2:17pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 1:48pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 11:30am:

Jasin wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 10:57am:

China to save Taiwan from the American democracy for homosexuals, transvestites and other sexually dysfunctionals???

Taiwan is part of China according to both the US and the UN; the US is only trying to foment a civil war between Chinese on both sides of the Taiwan Straits.....regardless of which nation has the most LBGXWZ people...

China belongs to Taiwan.

Well - indeed, they belong to one-another....aka the 'One China' principle supported by the US and the UN.

But you always get brain-dead secessionsts in any nation; a large number of US Republicans want to secede from the US.

The Taiwanese government is elected.
The CCP isn't.

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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #575 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:16pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 1:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 10:08am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 9:04am:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 8:45am:

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More fun and games in "the worst form of government":

Certainly more fun than 100 million corpses.

Ancient history.

Some party. Same instititon. Same culture. Same lies. Same mindless propaganda.

No mindless propaganda,

There is plenty. For example: "ancient history". Another example: their handling of covid.

Already refuted.

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Another example of mindless propaganda.

Not propaganda: a recent Harvard study shows many more Chinese are happy with the 'federal' government than in the US.

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BTW, you did not actually answer the question.

Yes I did; just goes to show your delusional "individual rights/freedom" ideology cripples your capacity for logical analysis: people don't want to be defended from something they perceive as advantageous to them.

No you didn't. How are the Chinese people more able to defend themselves from the CCP today than in the past? Saying "hey, look over there, it's Donal Trump" is not an answer. Given that the CCP is responsible for the death of about 100 million of it's own citizens, it's kind of an important question, don't you think?

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Reply #576 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:39pm

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 1:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 10:08am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 9:04am:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 8:45am:

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More fun and games in "the worst form of government":

Certainly more fun than 100 million corpses.

Ancient history.

Some party. Same instititon. Same culture. Same lies. Same mindless propaganda.

No mindless propaganda,

There is plenty. For example: "ancient history". Another example: their handling of covid.

Already refuted.

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Another example of mindless propaganda.

Not propaganda: a recent Harvard study shows many more Chinese are happy with the 'federal' government than in the US.

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BTW, you did not actually answer the question.

Yes I did; just goes to show your delusional "individual rights/freedom" ideology cripples your capacity for logical analysis: people don't want to be defended from something they perceive as advantageous to them.

No you didn't. How are the Chinese people more able to defend themselves from the CCP today than in the past?

" people don't want to be defended from something they perceive as advantageous to them".

Ok, it seems - given your peculiar brand of ideological delusion - I forgot to add: today they don't WANT to defend themselves against their government, unlike some people - in Western democracies which are imploding under hyper-partisanship - who are therefore giving 'socialism' another look (acording to polls re satisfaction with government).

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Saying "hey, look over there, it's Donal Trump" is not an answer.

Well, the Chinese did look at the Capitol riots and they are watching the divided Trump-Musk circus now...

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Given that the CCP is was responsible for the death of about 100 million of it's own citizens, it's kind of an important question, don't you think?

There, corrected it for you: it's good to heed history's lessons (6 decades ago) and change course as the CCP did; but today every government is facing similar problems all around the world, including the CCP.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49129 At my desk.	Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda Reply #577 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:48pm I am not asking whether the Chinese people currently want to defend themselves from the CCP. I am asking whether they are more able to than they were in the past. Do you understand the question yet? It's not so much the million dollar question, as the 100 million corpse question.
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Reply #579 - Dec 21^st, 2024 at 11:17am

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:48pm:

I am not asking whether the Chinese people currently want to defend themselves from the CCP. I am asking whether they are more able to than they were in the past.

Do you understand the question yet?

Yes.

Admittedly I'm hoping the CCP will continue to eradicate poverty at the fastest rate in history, given that Western 'democratic' neoliberalism is leading us to political, economic and environmental collapse.

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It's not so much the million dollar question, as the 100 million corpse question.

See above. You are assuming 100 million corpses caused by CCP design, in the future.

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Reply #580 - Dec 21^st, 2024 at 11:42am

Jasin wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 4:43pm:

Chinese lack genetic variation. A giant mass of inbreds. They are prone to diseases.

That's a result of geographical isolation (eg Gobi Desert and Himalayas)....and not only China.

Decreasing poverty reduces the incidence of disease, so will help ameliorate the negative effects of inbreeding.

Meanwhile China's rate of increase in life-expectancy is surpassing that of the US.

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Reply #581 - Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 9:52am

FD says "the only thing more dangerous than a Nazi is a communist promising to improve your economic standing".

But FD fails to recognize economic circumstances are always changing, and that the current neoclassical regime has failed to address pressing economic and environmental problems, around the world.

Therefore the mainstream neoclassical economists currently in charge of tertiary economics are no longer fit for purpose, in the present time.

As Marx noted in 1843:

"If we have no business with the construction of the future or with organizing it for all time, there can still be no doubt about the task confronting us at present: the ruthless criticism of the existing order, ruthless in that it will shrink neither from its own discoveries, nor from conflict with the powers that be. (Marx 1843)

America emerged victorious from WW2 with the largest most productive economy and was the world's largest creditor nation; now China is the most productive economy (in real goods and services) while the US is the world's largest debtor country with an entrenched "rust belt" disfiguring several of its large, formerly prosperous cities.

What went wrong, even after US neoliberalism successfully competed with and destroyed the Soviet command economy?

Onviously Marx's words are as true today as they were in 1843.

Meanwhile Trump, under the baleful influence of the non-economist (though practicing orthodox neoclassical) Musk, is attempting to reverse the collapse in US economic supremacy by sanctioning the entire world with tariffs and other self-serving measures including withdrawing from international forums like the UN and WTO.

For an examination of the urgent need to change the current erroneous neoclassical paradigm with which both China and the US are now grappling, see the latest MMT post (appearing soon).

"CCP propaganda" not withstanding...

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Reply #582 - Dec 24^th, 2024 at 10:05am

Do you think the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves against the CCP than they were in the past? Are you ever going to give a straight answer to this, or are you just going to carry on with your "me no speaka da English" routine?

Did you try to pass off the CCP covid statistics as coming from the American CDC? Is that because even you realise the CCP is cannot be trusted?

Do you actually believe the CCP statistics?

Can you explain how the CCP would gather statistics on the number of Chinese people dying from covid at the same time as denying covid even exists?

Do you see any parallels between the CCP propaganda during the Great Chinese Famine and the CCP propaganda during covid, or China's stagnant GDP over the last few years? Even while the CCP was starving Chinese people to death by the tens of millions, their propaganda machine was working so well they actually had the Chinese peasants feeling sorry for the poor starving Americans. Fast forward a few decades, and the CCP is again killing Chinese citizens by the millions with their mishandling of covid. Yet they have still managed to convince the peasants that they handled covid better than the American government and as a result had a far lower death toll. The CCP did not tell the truth about the Great Chinese Famine until after Mao was dead and they had a convenient corpse to blame it all on. Who do you think will have to die before the CCP admits that "mistakes were made" in their handling of covid. Not mistakes by the CCP obviously, but mistakes made by the latest corpse.

Meanwhile, the CCP's latest economic whim has suddenly stagnated China's GDP. The median Chinese salary is less than half of our unemployment benefits. Yet you actually tried to convince us that there was more poverty in Australia than in China. The closest you could come to explaining yourself was to blurt out PPP a few times, but we are yet to see if you even know what that stands for.

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Reply #583 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 12:31pm

freediver wrote on Dec 24^th, 2024 at 10:05am:

Do you think the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves against the CCP than they were in the past?

Yes. A more prosperous people can force government to change hated policy. Just as the CCP changed course on covid restrictions, even though covid cases soared as a result.

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.....(blind,paranoid anti CCP propaganda)...

Pass, since your blind, delusional 'individual rights/individual freedom' ideology shows a pathological fear of government by consensus, to achieve common prosperity as well as individual success.

[quorte]Meanwhile, the CCP's latest economic whim has suddenly stagnated China's GDP. [/quote]

You are incapable of learning because of your adherence to obsolete neoclassical economics, the very system which is now failing in both the West AND China.

Trump now thinks trying to stop China's advance will save the US, but it won't; neoclassicism is destroying everyone now, after China became the world's largest trading nation via neoclassical globalization, on the back of a vast industrious, cheap labour force.

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...chinese median wage..

...for 1.4 billion people has risen at the fastest rate in history.

The task for the CCP now is to understand the limits of free markets, and to free itself from adherence to the West's deficit and debt myth. Deflation, not inflation, is the problem in China now; its vast productive capacity can be directed to benefitting its own people, rather than relying on falling exports to a protectionist West.

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Reply #584 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 12:59pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21^st, 2024 at 11:42am:

Jasin wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 4:43pm:

Chinese lack genetic variation. A giant mass of inbreds. They are prone to diseases.

That's a result of geographical isolation (eg Gobi Desert and Himalayas)....and not only China.

Decreasing poverty reduces the incidence of disease, so will help ameliorate the negative effects of inbreeding.

Meanwhile China's rate of increase in life-expectancy is surpassing that of the US.

True TGD. But the Han gene pool has grown in isolation from a smaller base number without admixture beyond 5%. This is in China itself mind you.

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