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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #585 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 1:50pm

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Yes. A more prosperous people can force government to change hated policy.

How? Will they throw their money at the tanks in Tiananmen square?

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Just as the CCP changed course on covid restrictions, even though covid cases soared as a result.

The CCP changed from denying covid even existed to welding people inside their apartment buildings. Talk about locking the gate after the horse has bolted. Covid cases did not soar. Just the official statistics. Both sets of policies were hated by the Chinese people. They were both the idiotic extreme, reflecting that the whim of dear leader over-rides everything.

Do you believe those official statistics?

Did you try to pass off the CCP covid statistics as coming from the American CDC? Is that because even you realise the CCP is cannot be trusted?

Can you explain how the CCP would gather statistics on the number of Chinese people dying from covid at the same time as denying covid even exists?

Do you see any parallels between the CCP propaganda during the Great Chinese Famine and the CCP propaganda during covid, or China's stagnant GDP over the last few years? Even while the CCP was starving Chinese people to death by the tens of millions, their propaganda machine was working so well they actually had the Chinese peasants feeling sorry for the poor starving Americans. Fast forward a few decades, and the CCP is again killing Chinese citizens by the millions with their mishandling of covid. Yet they have still managed to convince the peasants that they handled covid better than the American government and as a result had a far lower death toll. The CCP did not tell the truth about the Great Chinese Famine until after Mao was dead and they had a convenient corpse to blame it all on. Who do you think will have to die before the CCP admits that "mistakes were made" in their handling of covid. Not mistakes by the CCP obviously, but mistakes made by the latest corpse.

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The task for the CCP now is to understand the limits of free markets

So the median Chinese wage is still less than half of our unemployment benefits, but the CCP is worried about hitting the "limits"? Shouldn't their task be to finish catching up to the west, rather than trying to lurch back to communism? Or Japan? Or North Korea? China is still not even a first world country.

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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #586 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 1:35pm

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

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Yes. A more prosperous people can force government to change hated policy.

How? Will they throw their money at the tanks in Tiananmen square?

Ancient history; Chinese were still poor back then, so Western "freedoms" looked good enough for a few students to try a counter-revolution. There is no such
desire now, because the example of Western democratic neoliberaism is so deplorable.

[quoye]The CCP changed from denying covid even existed to welding people inside their apartment buildings [/quote].

That was before people forced the change.

And nobody knew how serious Covid was in the beginning; Victorians in various communities were locked-up in their their homes under pain of arrest.

And Oz has a small population; whereas China's health system could not cope with 700 million poor people getting sick.

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Do you believe those official statistics?

I know Chinese life expectancy is surpassing the US.

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Do you see any parallels between the CCP propaganda during the Great Chinese Famine and the CCP propaganda during covid, or China's stagnant GDP over the last few years?

Apart from the fact you failed to identify any CCP propaganda (after the panicked covid cover-up noted above, which involved lying rather than propaganda - and ALL governments tell lies...), you are incapable of discussing the current GDP "stagnation" and its relation to the current global stagnation, so of course your are blaming the CCP rather than the neoclassical f**kwits in the IMF and World Bank. .

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So the median Chinese wage is still less than half of our unemployment benefits,

Your crippled, ideologically-blinded conservative brain can't understand historical processes; the CCP has lifted more peopple out of absolute poverty at the fastest rate in history; the task is ongoing to achieve common prosperity among the entire population (not only China's billionaries).

But now we are all facing the limits of (globalized) free mrkets, as evironmental and AGW climate catastrophes bear down on us.

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but the CCP is worried about hitting the "limits"?

Low IQ: the limits of free markets are noted above, and badly affecting all of us now.

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Shouldn't their task be to finish catching up to the west, rather than trying to lurch back to communism? [quote]

No, the task should be achieving a "propserous socialist society in all respects" , since we know the neoliberal capitalist democracies only create increasing inequality, hyperpartisanship and social breakdown, amid homelessness and entrenched poverty.

[quote] Or Japan? Or North Korea? China is still not even a first world country.

Japan's GDP has been stagnant since their property bust in 1990; N.Korea is a closed command economy
unlike China which is the world's largest trading nation; even Trump can't compete so he is resorting to tariffs.

And Oz's GDP has also stagnated since the GFC, as have many countries after the US's property bust crippled the global economy, EXCEPT China.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17692 Gender:	Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda Reply #587 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 5:59pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 1:35pm: I know Chinese life expectancy is surpassing the US. Despite the PM2.5. I know it is improving, but has not improved that much.
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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #588 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:32pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 1:35pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

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Yes. A more prosperous people can force government to change hated policy.

How? Will they throw their money at the tanks in Tiananmen square?

Ancient history; Chinese were still poor back then, so Western "freedoms" looked good enough for a few students to try a counter-revolution. There is no such
desire now, because the example of Western democratic neoliberaism is so deplorable.

[quoye]The CCP changed from denying covid even existed to welding people inside their apartment buildings

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That was before people forced the change.

And nobody knew how serious Covid was in the beginning; Victorians in various communities were locked-up in their their homes under pain of arrest.

And Oz has a small population; whereas China's health system could not cope with 700 million poor people getting sick.

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Do you believe those official statistics?

I know Chinese life expectancy is surpassing the US.

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Do you see any parallels between the CCP propaganda during the Great Chinese Famine and the CCP propaganda during covid, or China's stagnant GDP over the last few years?

Apart from the fact you failed to identify any CCP propaganda (after the panicked covid cover-up noted above, which involved lying rather than propaganda - and ALL governments tell lies...), you are incapable of discussing the current GDP "stagnation" and its relation to the current global stagnation, so of course your are blaming the CCP rather than the neoclassical f**kwits in the IMF and World Bank. .

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So the median Chinese wage is still less than half of our unemployment benefits,

Your crippled, ideologically-blinded conservative brain can't understand historical processes; the CCP has lifted more peopple out of absolute poverty at the fastest rate in history; the task is ongoing to achieve common prosperity among the entire population (not only China's billionaries).

But now we are all facing the limits of (globalized) free mrkets, as evironmental and AGW climate catastrophes bear down on us.

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but the CCP is worried about hitting the "limits"?

Low IQ: the limits of free markets are noted above, and badly affecting all of us now.

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Shouldn't their task be to finish catching up to the west, rather than trying to lurch back to communism? Quote:

No, the task should be achieving a "propserous socialist society in all respects" , since we know the neoliberal capitalist democracies only create increasing inequality, hyperpartisanship and social breakdown, amid homelessness and entrenched poverty.

[quote] Or Japan? Or North Korea? China is still not even a first world country.

Japan's GDP has been stagnant since their property bust in 1990; N.Korea is a closed command economy
unlike China which is the world's largest trading nation; even Trump can't compete so he is resorting to tariffs.

And Oz's GDP has also stagnated since the GFC, as have many countries after the US's property bust crippled the global economy, EXCEPT China.

That's funny - it wasn't long ago I watched a doco on the change of cultural demographics in China...

where once sons & daughters looked after their aging parents until death .... more & more are caught up in changing lifestyles and don't want to look after mum & dad anymore.

It was one thing I admired the Chinese & other Asian people for was treating their elderly with respect....& looking after them in their dotage...

times are a changing even in that regard.

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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #589 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 10:11am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 1:35pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

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Yes. A more prosperous people can force government to change hated policy.

How? Will they throw their money at the tanks in Tiananmen square?

Ancient history;

So you keep lying. But you did not answer the question. How are the Chinese people more able to defend themselves from the CCP than in the past, when the CCP killed about 100 million of them in a variety of ways over a long period of time?

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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #590 - Jan 4^th, 2025 at 9:30am

freediver wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 10:11am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 1:35pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

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Yes. A more prosperous people can force government to change hated policy.

How? Will they throw their money at the tanks in Tiananmen square?

Ancient history;

So you keep lying.

Not lying, as explained below (again) to your delusional "individual rights/freedom", bigoted ideology.

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But you did not answer the question. How are the Chinese people more able to defend themselves from the CCP than in the past, when the CCP killed about 100 million of them in a variety of ways over a long period of time?

(We already established the pro-rata covid death toll in the US was higher than in China., despite the latter's less developed health system)

In 1989, China was weak, and the CCP didn't want to fall to a counter-revolution which would have destroyed the CCP's goal of a Marxist revolution to advance national development AND the common welfare, the latter being unachievable in the large liberal democracies.

And the CCP has been proven correct: Russia's economy soon collapsed under Yeltin's democracy, with a huge decrease in Russian life expectancy; and apart from some economic growth under Putin, the Russian economy (unlike China) never recovered from the US-initiated GFC.

And today "politics doesn't work anymore" - as stated by a disillusioned radio commentator yesterday, and indeed the worlds richest democracies prove it, with chaos in S.Korea, France, Germany, the UK where Starmer is already on the nose despite being elected in a 'landslide' only 3 months ago; and the US where mainstream Dems and Repubs are seriously strategizing how to defend themselves from Trump

The actual question today is: who is a greater threat to world peace and development -Trump with 'America First', or Xi with a goal of global trade and development?

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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #591 - Jan 6^th, 2025 at 12:45pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 9:30am:

freediver wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 10:11am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 1:35pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

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Yes. A more prosperous people can force government to change hated policy.

How? Will they throw their money at the tanks in Tiananmen square?

Ancient history;

So you keep lying.

Not lying, as explained below (again) to your delusional "individual rights/freedom", bigoted ideology.

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But you did not answer the question. How are the Chinese people more able to defend themselves from the CCP than in the past, when the CCP killed about 100 million of them in a variety of ways over a long period of time?

(We already established the pro-rata covid death toll in the US was higher than in China., despite the latter's less developed health system)

In 1989, China was weak, and the CCP didn't want to fall to a counter-revolution which would have destroyed the CCP's goal of a Marxist revolution to advance national development AND the common welfare, the latter being unachievable in the large liberal democracies.

And the CCP has been proven correct: Russia's economy soon collapsed under Yeltin's democracy, with a huge decrease in Russian life expectancy; and apart from some economic growth under Putin, the Russian economy (unlike China) never recovered from the US-initiated GFC.

And today "politics doesn't work anymore" - as stated by a disillusioned radio commentator yesterday, and indeed the worlds richest democracies prove it, with chaos in S.Korea, France, Germany, the UK where Starmer is already on the nose despite being elected in a 'landslide' only 3 months ago; and the US where mainstream Dems and Repubs are seriously strategizing how to defend themselves from Trump

The actual question today is: who is a greater threat to world peace and development -Trump with 'America First', or Xi with a goal of global trade and development?

I am sure you have excuses for every instance in the past when the CCP has deliberately massacred or inadvertently killed millions of Chinese people. I am not expecting you to come up with their next excuse. I am asking you why you think the Chinese people will be better able to defend themselves from the CCP the next time round.

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