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Reply #600 - Jan 11^th, 2025 at 11:12am

freediver wrote on Jan 11^th, 2025 at 8:55am:

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It's still happening due to wars happening under US global hegemony (in place of international law).

Are you blaming the US for not ending all wars globally,

I am blaming the US, the most powerful member of the UNSC since its inception, for not signing up to effective internatinal law after WW2 , at the start of the age of MAD.

Hence as many people have been killed in wars mostly involving US interests, since 1946, as were killed in that war itself.

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and also claiming it is the same thing as the US starving 50 million of it's own citizens to death through sheer stupidity and efforts at saving face? Would you like to have another go at answering the question?

I'm not claiming that, and no I'm not interested in answerng a question already answered, from a blind survival of the fittest "freedom" ideologue.

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When was the last time government stupidity and face saving caused 50 million people to starve to death?

We are talking about who is the greater threat in the world today, Trump or Xi.

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How many Chinese people did the CCP slaughter in their quest to seize power? 20 million.

Already answered, I can't help your ideological blindness. {The US settled its slavery issue with a bloody civil war in 1856, China settled the democracy versus central planning issue in its civil war in 1949.

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Are you trying to equate the deliberate slaughter by the CCP of millions of its own citizens with the defeat of the Nazis?

I'm equating the death toll in ALL wars between opposing ideologies.

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Is that really how the CCP views it's own citizens?

No.

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It is the CCP that should be equated with the Nazi regime, not the innocent Chinese people it slaughtered and starved to death.

The CCP fought to free the Chinese people from survival of the fittest capitalism.

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It is irrelevant to the question I am asking.

No it's not: your blind survival of the fittest "freedom" ideology renders you incapable of discussing the important issues facing the world today. .

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You claimed that the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves from the CCP than in the past. How? By throwing money at them?

I claimed you are avoiding the more pressing issues facing the world today, in Trump's "America First", survival of the fittest' world.

But actually you hit the nail on the head; governments "throwng money at people" is the antidote to the disastrous political and economic dysfunction evident all around the world today.

Unfortunately even the CCP doesn't understand this, despite China's vast productive capacity (called "overcapacity" by neolassical ideolgues in the paranoid West trying to protect their own uncompetitive industries; in conjunction with DEFLATION in China - the only major economy in the world currently experiencing deflation due to loss export income from protectionist Western markets, and a market-based housig collapse at home.

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Reply #602 - Jan 11^th, 2025 at 11:25am

Gnads wrote on Jan 11^th, 2025 at 9:32am:

Rubbish - 1989 is not ancient history.

"ancient history" is a term used in this context to reiforce the point: a week is a long time in politics.....

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China had been in out of the cold since 1979.

Actually since 1972 when Nixon recognised the CCP as government of China., to gain support against the USSR.

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In December 1978 at the 3rd plenary session of the 11th Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party, Deng Xiaoping announced the official launch of the Four Modernizations, formally marking the beginning of the reform.

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Neither is that an excuse to murder your own citizens by sending in the military and tanks nor for you to condone it because it was 33 years ago.

Yea it is, you either defend the revolution from counter revolutionaries, or you don't .

And in 1970, the US govt sent the 'national guard' (!) into US universities during the Vietnam war, and murdered 6 unarmed students protesting against the war.

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Reply #603 - Jan 11^th, 2025 at 11:53am

freediver wrote on Jan 11^th, 2025 at 11:20am:

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I am blaming the US, the most powerful member of the UNSC since its inception, for not signing up to effective internatinal law after WW2 , at the start of the age of MAD.

I remember now. You want to US to be the world's police force?

No, I want the 5 members of the UNSC to abide by international law which themembers are sworn to upholding.

And it's not all that far-fetched: in Trump's first term before China's technological advance became an acute concern for Trump, he would have had willing partners including Xi and Putin (with whom he was on good terms), to combine their militaries under UN control (effectively UNSC control).

But Trump's survival of the fittest instincts won out...

Trump actually said (early in his term) "the UN has fine ideals but is ineffective".

Unfortunately he missed the opportunity to gain a place in history as the man who made the UN effective.

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Reply #605 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 10:23am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 11^th, 2025 at 11:53am:

freediver wrote on Jan 11^th, 2025 at 11:20am:

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I am blaming the US, the most powerful member of the UNSC since its inception, for not signing up to effective internatinal law after WW2 , at the start of the age of MAD.

I remember now. You want to US to be the world's police force?

No, I want the 5 members of the UNSC to abide by international law which themembers are sworn to upholding.

And it's not all that far-fetched: in Trump's first term before China's technological advance became an acute concern for Trump, he would have had willing partners including Xi and Putin (with whom he was on good terms), to combine their militaries under UN control (effectively UNSC control).

But Trump's survival of the fittest instincts won out...

Trump actually said (early in his term) "the UN has fine ideals but is ineffective".

Unfortunately he missed the opportunity to gain a place in history as the man who made the UN effective.

Ah. It gets even worse. You don't want the US to be the world's police. You want them to hand their military over to foreign control. To parties like the CCP who are responsible for about 100 million deaths and counting.

And you think they are already sworn to do this? Is that from your CCP pamphlet or did you come up with that one yourself?

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Reply #606 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 10:34am

lee wrote on Jan 11^th, 2025 at 12:06pm:

Poor tgd. Any merits are entirely due to the CCP. Any flaws are entirely the responsibility of the wicked west. Roll Eyes

Poor crippled-brain lee joins in.

Changes a point about establishing an (national and global) economy which works for all, into a black and white absurdity.

I say the the CCP presents an alternative to the West's blind survival of the fittest, invisible hand "free" markets, and should be allowed to function in China, without threat from absurd "freedom fighters" in the West.

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Reply #607 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:15am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 11^th, 2025 at 11:25am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 11^th, 2025 at 9:32am:

Rubbish - 1989 is not ancient history.

"ancient history" is a term used in this context to reiforce the point: a week is a long time in politics.....

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China had been in out of the cold since 1979.

Actually since 1972 when Nixon recognised the CCP as government of China., to gain support against the USSR.

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In December 1978 at the 3rd plenary session of the 11th Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party, Deng Xiaoping announced the official launch of the Four Modernizations, formally marking the beginning of the reform.

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Neither is that an excuse to murder your own citizens by sending in the military and tanks nor for you to condone it because it was 33 years ago.

Yea it is, you either defend the revolution from counter revolutionaries, or you don't .

And in 1970, the US govt sent the 'national guard' (!) into US universities during the Vietnam war, and murdered 6 unarmed students protesting against the war.

You're comparing the Cut Lunch Commandos going to Kent University to the Red Army being sent into Tiananmen Square?

And the death of 4 Uni students(not 6) to hundreds or thousands of Chinese students?

Kent Uni was investigated at the very least & a ruling made ...

what happened in China again? That's right nothing ... except trying to bury that it ever happened and arrest or disappear people who bring it up or talk about it.

deplorable.

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Reply #608 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 12:33pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 10:34am:

I say the the CCP presents an alternative to the West's blind survival of the fittest, invisible hand "free" markets, and should be allowed to function in China, without threat from absurd "freedom fighters" in the West.

So you say that the CCP gets a free pass from emitting CO2. Thanks for that. Grin

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Reply #609 - Jan 13^th, 2025 at 8:38am

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Already answered, I can't help your ideological blindness.

Insisting we are actually talking about something else and whinging about me not taking your tangents seriously is not answering.

You claimed that the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves from the CCP than in the past. How? By throwing money at them?

When was the last time government stupidity and face saving caused 50 million people to starve to death?

How many Chinese people did the CCP slaughter in their quest to seize power? 20 million?

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I'm equating the death toll in ALL wars between opposing ideologies.

So why did you choose the war against the Nazis in particular to justify the CCP slaughtering innocent Chinese citizens? Does it have anything to do with your efforts to justify that slaughter by describing Chinese farmers and merchants as capitalist swine?

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The CCP fought to free the Chinese people from survival of the fittest capitalism.

So the CCP slaughtered tens of millions of Chinese people to "free" them from capitalism, only to starve 50 million of them to death under communism, then embrace capitalism?

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Reply #611 - Yesterday at 9:27am

freediver wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 8:55am:

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Unfortunately even the CCP doesn't understand this

Would you be allowed to say that in public in China?

The debate about national treasury-created money is active among Chinese economists, but not accepted by PBofC economists ; as to whether I can speak publicly about it in China, I don't know.

[Might be worth testing it: I could get my affairs in order, and test it, making sure the appropriate people in Oz know my plans. ......actually I would no doubt be under surveillance by ASIO - so much for "free speech" in the West.

[Last weekend on the ABC, Stephanie Kelton pointed out pollies are content to accept the 'government deficit is bad' myth, because it allows them to avoid their responsibilities re managing resource mobilization for the benefit of of all, and instead use the issue of taxation as a political football; and hand over responsibility for inflation control to reserve banks who have only one blunt tool, often causing more harm than good.]

I would have thought the CCP is more amenable to active involvement in resource mobilization, given socially unacceptable (ie, unfair) free market allocation alone - which is a crime of Western democracies.

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Reply #612 - Yesterday at 9:29am

https://www.cecc.gov/freedom-of-expression-in-china-a-privilege-not-a-right#:~:text=The%20only%20people%20in%20China,members%20of%20the%20Communist%20Party.

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The only people in China who can publish criticisms of, or opinions contrary to those of, the Communist Party, are senior members of the Communist Party.

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Reply #613 - Yesterday at 9:48am

freediver wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 8:38am:

Insisting we are actually talking about something else and whinging about me not taking your tangents seriously is not answering.

ah, the 'human condition' .....ideological blindness. Your "freedom" ideoogy is a delusion.

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You claimed that the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves from the CCP than in the past. How? By throwing money at them?

By ensuring a steady increase in lliving standards, otherwise the CCP will be as as despised as 'democratic' Western governments which are collapsing under hyperpartisanship and 'populist' forces.

The rest of you post is mere repetition which I have previoulsly exposed for its irrelevance to present realities and problems in China and globally.

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Reply #614 - Yesterday at 10:00am

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By ensuring a steady increase in lliving standards, otherwise the CCP will be as as despised as 'democratic' Western governments which are collapsing under hyperpartisanship and 'populist' forces.

That is the CCP's current strategy for keeping their heads. It is not a method for the Chinese people to defend themselves from the CCP, which has killed about 100 million of their own citizens, and counting. Do you not even understand the question?

You claimed that the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves from the CCP than in the past. How?

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