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Reply #615 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 10:02am  
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https://www.cecc.gov/freedom-of-expression-in-china-a-privilege-not-a-right#:~:text=The%20only%20people%20in%20China,members%20of%20the%20Communist%20Party.

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The only people in China who can publish criticisms of, or opinions contrary to those of, the Communist Party, are senior members of the Communist Party.


That;s because reactionary voices like yours would destroy the 'sociailist' revolution in a hearbeart

Certainly the clock is ticking for the CCP, if it can't continue to demonstrate superior economic managemnt and  development under the CCP. than Westerm democracIes. Chinese people are still thankful for the rapid increase in  living standards over the last 3 decades.
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Reply #616 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 10:10am  
freediver wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 10:00am:
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By ensuring a steady increase in lliving standards, otherwise the CCP will be as as despised as 'democratic' Western governments which are collapsing under hyperpartisanship and 'populist' forces.


That is the CCP's current strategy for keeping their heads. It is not a method for the Chinese people to defend themselves from the CCP,


Why would the people need to defend themselves against the CCP, if the CCP government  continues to lift  living standards  for all - as it has achieved in the last 3 decades?
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Reply #617 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 10:27am  
freediver wrote on Jan 12th, 2025 at 10:23am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 11:53am:
freediver wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 11:20am:
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I am blaming the US, the most powerful member of the UNSC since its inception,  for not signing up to effective internatinal law after WW2 , at the start of the age of MAD.


I remember now. You want to US to be the world's police force?


No, I want the 5 members of the UNSC to abide by international law which themembers  are sworn to upholding.


And it's not all that far-fetched: in Trump's first term before China's technological advance became an acute concern for Trump, he would have had willing partners including Xi and Putin (with whom he was on good terms), to combine their militaries under UN control (effectively UNSC control).

But Trump's survival of the fittest instincts won out...

Trump actually said (early in his term) "the UN has fine ideals but is ineffective".

Unfortunately  he missed the opportunity to gain a place in history as the man who made the UN effective.


Ah. It gets even worse. You don't want the US to be the world's police. You want them to hand their military over to foreign control.


Your error - typical of blind "freedom" ideologues who reject an international rules-based system - a properly  constituted UNSC ie, capable of defending the UNUDHR, is NOT a "foreign power".

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And you think they are already sworn to do this? Is that from your CCP pamphlet or did you come up with that one yourself?


Like I said, Trump had enough power  in 2016 to bang heads together in the UNSC to create the required UNSC described above.
But several wars - includong an economic war - have intervened since then.

My own observations, to save us from ourselves in the age of MAD....
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Reply #618 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 10:36am  
Gnads wrote on Jan 12th, 2025 at 11:15am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 11:25am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 9:32am:
Rubbish - 1989 is not ancient history.


"ancient history" is a term used in this context to reiforce the point: a week is a long time in politics.....

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China had been in out of the cold since 1979.


Actually since 1972 when Nixon recognised the CCP as government  of China., to gain support against the USSR.

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In December 1978 at the 3rd plenary session of the 11th Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party, Deng Xiaoping announced the official launch of the Four Modernizations, formally marking the beginning of the reform.


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Neither is that an excuse to murder your own citizens by sending in the military and tanks nor for you to condone it because it was 33 years ago.


Yea it is, you either defend the revolution from counter revolutionaries, or you don't .

And in 1970,  the US govt sent the 'national guard' (!) into US universities during the Vietnam war, and murdered 6 unarmed students protesting against the war.



Grin You're comparing the Cut Lunch Commandos going to Kent University to the Red Army being sent into Tiananmen Square?


Yes; and murdering peace protesters is worse than  murdering cunter-revolutionaries, thouh both are murder. 

And the death of 4 Uni students(not 6) to hundreds or thousands of Chinese students?

2 on another campus - all 'ancieny history'  now. 


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Reply #619 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 10:47am  
lee wrote on Jan 12th, 2025 at 12:33pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 12th, 2025 at 10:34am:
I say the the CCP presents an alternative to the West's blind survival of the fittest, invisible hand "free" markets, and should be allowed to function in China, without threat from absurd "freedom fighters"  in the West.


So you say that the CCP gets a free pass from emitting CO2. Thanks for that. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Poor crippled brain lee; even FD recognizes the need to transition from fossils  (see the 'LA fires' thread), given AGW climate change.

And in 2024 China rolled out as much renewable energy as the rest of the world combined - do try to keep up.

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Reply #620 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 12:32pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 10:47am:
Poor crippled brain lee; even FD recognizes the need to transition from fossils  (see the 'LA fires' thread), given AGW climate change.



And yet I have shown that the IPCC does not believe there us a climate emergency. So the question remains why do we need to transition? Wink

Fossil fuels are the reason for the increase in longevity since the LIA... or the start of the Industrial Revolution, if you prefer.
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Reply #621 - Jan 15th, 2025 at 7:48am  
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 10:02am:
freediver wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 9:29am:
https://www.cecc.gov/freedom-of-expression-in-china-a-privilege-not-a-right#:~:text=The%20only%20people%20in%20China,members%20of%20the%20Communist%20Party.

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The only people in China who can publish criticisms of, or opinions contrary to those of, the Communist Party, are senior members of the Communist Party.


That;s because reactionary voices like yours would destroy the 'sociailist' revolution in a hearbeart


The socialist revolution is dead. The CCP has embraced capitalism. But it has not given up on sowing death.

It has nothing to do with the socialist revolution. It is just the CCP clinging to power by lying to the Chinese people, and punishing anyone who calls out their lies and incompetence.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 10:10am:
freediver wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 10:00am:
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By ensuring a steady increase in lliving standards, otherwise the CCP will be as as despised as 'democratic' Western governments which are collapsing under hyperpartisanship and 'populist' forces.


That is the CCP's current strategy for keeping their heads. It is not a method for the Chinese people to defend themselves from the CCP,


Why would the people need to defend themselves against the CCP


Because the CCP has killed about 100 million Chinese people. Again you dodge the qustion.

You claimed that the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves from the CCP than in the past. How?
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Reply #622 - Jan 15th, 2025 at 4:38pm  
freediver wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 7:48am:
The socialist revolution is dead. The CCP has embraced capitalism. But it has not given up on sowing death.


Nonsense; the 'socialist revolution' is only just getting started all around the world, as people are abandoning dyfunctional mainstream economics - because "it's the economy, stupid". 

Exhibit 1. Australia's gdp per capita is going backwards with falling home ownership rates among the young, the first generation in Oz history to experience this in peacetime. And the alternative government's policies to reduce government spending will only increase inequality, as the Libs cut government sending.

But the population doesn't know how the economy works, so they are easily led by the nose by lying economists and ignorant politicians.

And as for "sowing death",  our ally the US is complicit in sowing death in other countries (sending arms instead of solutions to conflicts), while the CCP is working hard to increase living standards in China.

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Why would the people need to defend themselves against the CCP


Because the CCP has killed about 100 million Chinese people. Again you dodge the qustion.


Newsflash: good governments change policies which result in unintended death in their own countries; bad ones like the US - "leader of the 'free' world" - use death (or poverty-maintaining sanctions, as the means to maintaining global hegemony.

It's all part of the "freedom or death" ideology of delusional "freedom" ideologues.

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You claimed that the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves from the CCP than in the past. How?


Answered above (in bold print).

But you can't see the mote in your own eye ( a warning in the New Testament....)
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Reply #623 - Jan 15th, 2025 at 4:46pm  
lee wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 12:32pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 10:47am:
Poor crippled brain lee; even FD recognizes the need to transition from fossils  (see the 'LA fires' thread), given AGW climate change.



And yet I have shown that the IPCC does not believe there us a climate emergency. So the question remains why do we need to transition? Wink

Fossil fuels are the reason for the increase in longevity since the LIA... or the start of the Industrial Revolution, if you prefer.


Meanwhile China is rolling out renewables faster than any other country, thereby killing two birds with one stone ie the pollution crisis, and the climate change crisis.

The transition is  unstoppable because it's a benefit to China's prosperity and sustainable development, which other nations want to share in.   
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Reply #624 - Jan 15th, 2025 at 5:15pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 4:46pm:
Meanwhile China is rolling out renewables faster than any other country, thereby killing two birds with one stone ie the pollution crisis, and the climate change crisis.



And also more fossil fuelled power than any other country. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

"China was home to the vast majority of the world’s new coal power plants last year as it sought to bolster energy security, even as many other governments push to phase out the fuel.

China accounted for 96% of new coal power construction, 81% of newly announced projects, and 68% of generators coming online, according to data released Tuesday by Global Energy Monitor. Beijing has massively expanded its world-leading coal fleet after a series of power shortages in 2021 and 2022."

https://thecoaltrader.com/china-is-dominating-the-worlds-new-coal-power-plant-pi...
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Reply #625 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 9:53am  
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 4:38pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 7:48am:
The socialist revolution is dead. The CCP has embraced capitalism. But it has not given up on sowing death.


Nonsense; the 'socialist revolution' is only just getting started all around the world, as people are abandoning dyfunctional mainstream economics - because "it's the economy, stupid". 

Exhibit 1. Australia's gdp per capita is going backwards with falling home ownership rates among the young, the first generation in Oz history to experience this in peacetime. And the alternative government's policies to reduce government spending will only increase inequality, as the Libs cut government sending.

But the population doesn't know how the economy works, so they are easily led by the nose by lying economists and ignorant politicians.

And as for "sowing death",  our ally the US is complicit in sowing death in other countries (sending arms instead of solutions to conflicts), while the CCP is working hard to increase living standards in China.

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TGD:
Why would the people need to defend themselves against the CCP


Because the CCP has killed about 100 million Chinese people. Again you dodge the qustion.


Newsflash: good governments change policies which result in unintended death in their own countries; bad ones like the US - "leader of the 'free' world" - use death (or poverty-maintaining sanctions, as the means to maintaining global hegemony.

It's all part of the "freedom or death" ideology of delusional "freedom" ideologues.

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You claimed that the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves from the CCP than in the past. How?


Answered above (in bold print).

But you can't see the mote in your own eye ( a warning in the New Testament....)


That is not an answer. That is a dodge. The CCP is not a good government. They killed 50 million people by not changing their idiotic communist policies. With covid they repeated the exact same mistakes, and used the exact same propaganda techniques to BS their way out of it. Millions of people died as a result, and the CCP is still covering it up. I challenge you to find another government from the last century that has killed as many people with sheer incompetence and lies as the CCP.

You claimed that the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves from the CCP than in the past. How?
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Reply #626 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 4:09pm  
lee wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 5:15pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 4:46pm:
Meanwhile China is rolling out renewables faster than any other country, thereby killing two birds with one stone ie the pollution crisis, and the climate change crisis.


And also more fossil fuelled power than any other country. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Just shows the rate of growth in the  increase of power consumption in China.

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"China was home to the vast majority of the world’s new coal power plants last year as it sought to bolster energy security, even as many other governments push to phase out the fuel.


Misleading, including "many other countries"...Trump has other ideas.

China is also lncreasing nuclear power "to bolster energy security".:
(google)

"As of at least 2023, China's goals for nuclear power expansion are the most ambitious of any country".
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Reply #627 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 4:32pm  
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 9:53am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 4:38pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 7:48am:
The socialist revolution is dead. The CCP has embraced capitalism. But it has not given up on sowing death.


Nonsense; the 'socialist revolution' is only just getting started all around the world, as people are abandoning dyfunctional mainstream economics - because "it's the economy, stupid". 

Exhibit 1. Australia's gdp per capita is going backwards with falling home ownership rates among the young, the first generation in Oz history to experience this in peacetime. And the alternative government's policies to reduce government spending will only increase inequality, as the Libs cut government sending.

But the population doesn't know how the economy works, so they are easily led by the nose by lying economists and ignorant politicians.

And as for "sowing death",  our ally the US is complicit in sowing death in other countries (sending arms instead of solutions to conflicts), while the CCP is working hard to increase living standards in China.

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TGD:
Why would the people need to defend themselves against the CCP


Because the CCP has killed about 100 million Chinese people. Again you dodge the qustion.


Newsflash: good governments change policies which result in unintended death in their own countries; bad ones like the US - "leader of the 'free' world" - use death (or poverty-maintaining sanctions, as the means to maintaining global hegemony.

It's all part of the "freedom or death" ideology of delusional "freedom" ideologues.

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You claimed that the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves from the CCP than in the past. How?


Answered above (in bold print).

But you can't see the mote in your own eye ( a warning in the New Testament....)


That is not an answer.


This discussion shows, inter alia, why some Repubs and Dems refuse to speak or associate with one-another, despite the fact they are both delusional "freedom" ideologues; neither understand why the US economy has failed to create well-paying manufacturing  jobs in the last 3 decades, and both of them blame China.

But obviously Oz can't blame China, because Oz has a trade surplus with China, yet is seeing the egregious outcomes of market failures in  housing and insurance like most other developed economies, after they abandoned government-run-housing and insurance programs on ideological grounds.   

But you are religiously committed to the private market, and can't SEE it's failures, due to your sheer ideological blindness.

Your imagined concern for the Chinese people is laughable, you have no concern for your own people. 


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That is a dodge.


Said the blind man.....
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Reply #628 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 4:46pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 4:09pm:
Just shows the rate of growth in the  increase of power consumption in China.



Yes it does. Not renewables. Wink

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/energy-consumption-by-source-and-country?stac...

Solar 1500Whw Wind 2300TWh Coal 25,500 TWh alone with Gas and Oil a further 13,000 TWh.

Renewables a pimple on an elephant's bum. A mere 7%.thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 4:09pm:
Misleading, including "many other countries"...Trump has other ideas.



Anf that is in the future. Keep to current you don't know what the future holds.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 4:09pm:
China is also lncreasing nuclear power "to bolster energy security".:
(google)

"As of at least 2023, China's goals for nuclear power expansion are the most ambitious of any country".



And again in the future and not renewables. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #629 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 4:57pm  
lee wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 4:46pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 4:09pm:
Just shows the rate of growth in the  increase of power consumption in China.



Yes it does. Not renewables. Wink


BOTH, dummy, with an increasing proportion of renewables as coal peaks in 2030.   

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Anf that is in the future. Keep to current you don't know what the future holds.


You wanna bet Trump will stick to the Paris 2016 agreement?....

Menwhile I know China invariably sticks to its 5 year plans, while the US doesn't have any.



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