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Reply #630 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 7:24pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 4:57pm:

BOTH, dummy, with an increasing proportion of renewables as coal peaks in 2030.

Oh only in 2030 IF coal peaks. Despite assurances, it will happen, there is no guarantee.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 4:57pm:

You wanna bet Trump will stick to the Paris 2016 agreement?....

Seeing as the Paris Agreement that was entered into did not pass through Congress, why should he? He should run it through Congress.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 4:57pm:

Menwhile I know China invariably sticks to its 5 year plans, while the US doesn't have any.

It may stick to the 5 year plans, that doesn't mean that they actually successful. Wink

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Reply #632 - Jan 17^th, 2025 at 4:13pm

freediver wrote on Jan 17^th, 2025 at 8:12am:

TGD, you claimed that the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves from the CCP than in the past.

How? Were you lying when you made this claim?

Dear FD, your ability to comprehend what is written is catastrophically crippled by your extremist "freedom" ideology; what I said was the Chinese people won't NEED to defend themselves against their government, NOW or in the future, because the CCP has learnt much since Deng's opening up, resulting in China manifesting in growth from absolute poverty to 2nd largest economy in the world, at the fastest rate in history (aka "the Chinese miracle" according to the World Bank).

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100 million corpses says it is an important question.

It's a question which is no longer alive, in the Chinese peoples' mind.

Only in YOUR mind, because you are incapable of looking at the egregious market failures in most developed Western economies, resulting in leaders falling like nine-pins in general elections. It's likely Albo will suffer the same fate - and Dutton will only increase poverty and inequality, given his even more extreme low taxes, low government spending rhetoric.

Good news out of China: the slow learners at the PBofC appear to be at last implementing the correct policies to support depressed private consumption since the covid pandemic (even if too timidly), which increased by 3% in the last quarter. (ABC news), with GDP growth for the year at 5%.

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Reply #633 - Jan 18^th, 2025 at 7:42am

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Dear FD, your ability to comprehend what is written is catastrophically crippled by your extremist "freedom" ideology; what I said was the Chinese people won't NEED to defend themselves

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 24^th, 2024 at 10:05am:

Do you think the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves against the CCP than they were in the past?

Yes.

How?

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Reply #634 - Jan 18^th, 2025 at 8:42am

freediver wrote on Dec 24^th, 2024 at 10:05am:

Do you think the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves against the CCP than they were in the past?

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:

Yes.

A more prosperous people can force government to change hated policy.

Hong Kong was 'a more prosperous' jurisdiction, before the 'take-back', by the CCP.

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In its lead up to the take-back of Hong Kong, the CCP promoted
One Country, Two Systems.
.....as a slogan, >> as a method << of reassuring Hong Kong residents, of the intentions of the CCP,
towards Hong Kong.

slogan = = a short, memorable phrase used in advertising or associated with a political party or group.

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And are you also claiming that the consequential CCP takeover of Hong Kong,
which we all witnessed,
was undertaken [by the CCP] in the interests of the securing the sovereignty [i.e. the POLITICAL authority] of [individual] Hong Kong residents ?

Because such an argument would be B.S.

[i.e. as it turns out, ......everyone, can now see, that Xi Jinping is just a big fat liar.]

i.e. Xi Jinping, is 'a political actor',
who will tell lies,
IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE POLITICAL OBJECTIVES.

[i.e. we can all witness, that Xi Jinping DOES NOT ACT ANY DIFFERENTLY, than those 'political actors' who exist,
within 'capitalist' political jurisdictions.]

Xi Jinping, is revealed to have a predatory character. ......and not a 'socialist' character.

DEFINITION;
socialism = = a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated
by the community as a whole.

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Reply #635 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 2:15pm

freediver wrote on Jan 18^th, 2025 at 7:42am:

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Dear FD, your ability to comprehend what is written is catastrophically crippled by your extremist "freedom" ideology; what I said was the Chinese people won't NEED to defend themselves

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 24^th, 2024 at 10:05am:

Do you think the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves against the CCP than they were in the past?

Yes.

How?

In the age of social media, the people - over 90% of whom are satisfied with their government (Harvard poll), cf typically less than 50% in the democracies - can more readily make their feelings known to the CCP, eg, in the protests against the extended covid lockdowns in China.

"It's the economy, stupid" - and unlike Oz, China's is still growing despite the property downturn, because the CCP has introduced policies to increase private consumption in the non-property sector.

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Reply #636 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 2:41pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 2:15pm:

In the age of social media, the people - over 90% of whom are satisfied with their government (Harvard poll), cf typically less than 50% in the democracies - can more readily make their feelings known to the CCP, eg, in the protests against the extended covid lockdowns in China.

It must be so underwhelming to have "big brother" over your shoulder 24/7. Roll Eyes

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Reply #637 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 2:47pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 19^th, 57018 at 1:56pm:

Hong Kong was 'a more prosperous' jurisdiction, before the 'take-back', by the CCP.

HK is part of China. The problems in HK arose because extremist separatists rejected the 'one country-two systems' approach, and wanted to be an independent state, just as the "freedom" fools on Taiwan want to be free of the CCP government.

[Though supported by the Pentagon, the Taiwanese separatist "freedom" fools don't have, and will never have, a state recognized by the UN).

Today HK is stable and growing once again.

Macao proves 'one country-two systems' works if the extremist "freedom" fools shut up; and even in Taiwan the extremist DDP fools only got 40% of the vote in the last election.

You would be hard put to name actual freedoms (eg, religious freedom, gender freedom etc which the CCP violates.

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In its lead up to the take-back of Hong Kong, the CCP promoted
One Country, Two Systems.
.....as a slogan, >> as a method << of reassuring Hong Kong residents, of the intentions of the CCP,
towards Hong Kong.

Not a slogan: HK has its own government, just as states in a federation have their own state governments.

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And are you also claiming that the consequential CCP takeover of Hong Kong,
which we all witnessed, was undertaken [by the CCP] in the interests of the securing the sovereignty [i.e. the POLITICAL authority] of [individual] Hong Kong residents ?

No. You are merely asserting rule by as little as 50%+1, in adversarial democracies, is a better system than government by consensus meritocracy.

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Because such an argument would be B.S.

Correct.

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socialism = a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulatedby the community as a whole.[/b]

Correct, with government representing the interests of the people as a whole, not just the most powerful.

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Reply #638 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 2:57pm

lee wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 2:41pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 2:15pm:

In the age of social media, the people - over 90% of whom are satisfied with their government (Harvard poll), cf typically less than 50% in the democracies - can more readily make their feelings known to the CCP, eg, in the protests against the extended covid lockdowns in China.

It must be so underwhelming to have "big brother" over your shoulder 24/7. Roll Eyes

Laughable, try ASIO. Don't break the law, or try to overthrow the government, and you can ignore the "security spooks" in any country, except maybe theocracies like Iran where religious law is in conflict with modern human rights which people everywhere want.

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Reply #639 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 3:12pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 2:57pm:

Don't break the law, or try to overthrow the government, and you can ignore the "security spooks" in any country, except maybe theocracies like Iran where religious law is in conflict with modern human rights which people everywhere want.

And the CCP is different? Only allowing approved person access. Which is why the Chinese nationals try to bypass the regime.

Haven't heard of the Great Firewall? Roll Eyes

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Reply #640 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 3:26pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 2:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 18^th, 2025 at 7:42am:

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Dear FD, your ability to comprehend what is written is catastrophically crippled by your extremist "freedom" ideology; what I said was the Chinese people won't NEED to defend themselves

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 24^th, 2024 at 10:05am:

Do you think the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves against the CCP than they were in the past?

Yes.

How?

In the age of social media, the people - over 90% of whom are satisfied with their government (Harvard poll),

The CCP strictly controls social media. That's why so many Chinese, including you, believe that there were fewer per capita deaths from covid in China than in the US.

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can more readily make their feelings known to the CCP

Is that how you defend yourself from a government that alternatively slaughters you deliberately or starves you to death through their incompetence and face saving?

Can you give an example from the past were feelings were used to defend yourself against such a government?

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eg, in the protests against the extended covid lockdowns in China.

How did that work with Tiananmen square?

Why did the Chinese people not protest that the government covered up the initial outbreak of covid, thus helping it spread round the country when people travelled home for Chinese new year, and then around the world? Could it be because the CCP is so effective at lying to the Chinese people that they still do not know?

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Reply #641 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 5:06pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 2:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 18^th, 2025 at 7:42am:

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Dear FD, your ability to comprehend what is written is catastrophically crippled by your extremist "freedom" ideology; what I said was the Chinese people won't NEED to defend themselves

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 24^th, 2024 at 10:05am:

Do you think the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves against the CCP than they were in the past?

Yes.

How?

In the age of social media, the people - over 90% of whom are satisfied with their government (Harvard poll), cf typically less than 50% in the democracies - can more readily make their feelings known to the CCP, eg, in the protests against the extended covid lockdowns in China.

"It's the economy, stupid" - and unlike Oz, China's is still growing despite the property downturn, because the CCP has introduced policies to increase private consumption in the non-property sector.

95.5%, to be precise. That is a better result than the North Korean electoral endorsement of Boy Kim, 87%, or Soddem Hussein in 2002, 100%.

In 2016, the last year the survey was conducted, 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. In contrast to these findings, Gallup reported in January of this year that their latest polling on U.S. citizen satisfaction with the American federal government revealed only 38 percent of respondents were satisfied with the federal government.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-...

And yet, there are Chinese refugees in the West. No American or Western (or any other) refugees is China.
Shurely shome mishtake.

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Reply #642 - Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 1:04pm

Frank wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 5:06pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 2:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 18^th, 2025 at 7:42am:

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Dear FD, your ability to comprehend what is written is catastrophically crippled by your extremist "freedom" ideology; what I said was the Chinese people won't NEED to defend themselves

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 24^th, 2024 at 10:05am:

Do you think the Chinese people are more able to defend themselves against the CCP than they were in the past?

Yes.

How?

In the age of social media, the people - over 90% of whom are satisfied with their government (Harvard poll), cf typically less than 50% in the democracies - can more readily make their feelings known to the CCP, eg, in the protests against the extended covid lockdowns in China.

"It's the economy, stupid" - and unlike Oz, China's is still growing despite the property downturn, because the CCP has introduced policies to increase private consumption in the non-property sector.

95.5%, to be precise. That is a better result than the North Korean electoral endorsement of Boy Kim, 87%, or Soddem Hussein in 2002, 100%.

In 2016, the last year the survey was conducted, 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. In contrast to these findings, Gallup reported in January of this year that their latest polling on U.S. citizen satisfaction with the American federal government revealed only 38 percent of respondents were satisfied with the federal government.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-...

And yet, there are Chinese refugees in the West. No American or Western (or any other) refugees is China.
Shurely shome mishtake.

Very few Chinese (or Indians) among the illegal refugees crossing the Mexican border into the US, most of whom are fleeing from the ME or Central S. American countries where socio/economic breakdown is rife.

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Reply #643 - Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 1:18pm

This thread is actually about good governance, both national and international, but ideologically blind FD won't - and can't - see it (by definition....).

Exhibit 1:

Today Trump cancelled Biden's sanctions against violent (illegal) WB settlers.

Ofcourse the ceasefire will collapse, as the settlers - supported by the IDF - are given clarte blanche by Trump to do as they please in the occupied territories.

Now we have the stupid, ideologically-blind Israeli assistant minister for foreign affairs accusing the Oz government of "stoking the fires of anti-semitism" in Oz, because of Oz's pro 2-state stance in the UN (along with the vast majority of nations).

People not blinded by ideology can see loathing of the Israeli government's policies in Palestine is NOT 'anti-semitism'.

Here in Oz we have ideologically blind Jews hiding behind the atrocities in the Holocaust to push their claims of "Oz government antisemitism" - while ignoring the extreme RW Israeli government's own atrocities in Palestine (Gaza and the WB)....which even the ICC is investigating.

Ofcourse ideologically blind Muslims in Oz will be motivated to act on the ugly violence against Muslims in Palestine being commited by the equally ugly RW Israeli government, now supported by Trump.

Which government is a threat to international order in this case - the US government under Trump or the CCP government of China?

And already trouble is brewing in the US electorate and government itself, as some mainstream Repubs are demanding spending cuts are enacted before tax cuts, in a Congress which is closely divided despite Trump's claims of a "huge" mandate.

Spending cuts which will invariably increase inequality and poverty in the US.

Deplorable.

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