So you support the CCP deliberately killing tens of millions of Chinese people, and you have no idea why the Chinese people would ever need to defend themselves from the CCP?

The CCP did not just kill people in their quest to seize power. They also stood back and allowed the Japanese army to rape and pillage it's way across the country. Then when they finally did seize power, they had to kill millions more farmers, food merchants etc in order to get themselves into a position where they could starve 50 million people to death with their incompetence. Do you support all those killings also?

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Are you claiming that after they won that war they stopped deliberately slaughtering millions of innocent Chinese people?

You should look out the window TGD. The communists have lost. Even the Chinese Communist Party is capitalist now. It's called "communism with Chinese spin."

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 4:00pm:



Please read my post, point by point, instead of inventing your own version  - via a non sequitur question, or rather, an\ blind  ideology-based question- of what I said.

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Correct...more or less, allowing for your delusional "freedom values" spin (which I exposed in the post to which you imagined you replied).

Supported by Lee, right on cue.   

Oh dear - the "human condition", as noted.....sad.   

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 9:26am:


The deadly US civil war was based on resolving an economic dispute (the necessity for slaves as considered by the Confederacy); which part are you saying the Unionists didn't do, in seizing power? 

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Yes, death in famine is not slaugher in war. And delusional "freedom" ideologues who want to overthrow the government  require constant surveillance. 


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Explained above; it's excruciating debating a delusional "freedom" ideologue -  which is why you, being delusional, are likewise exasperated.

We are not alone:

(headline)

"Trump’s calls with British leaders reportedly left staff crying from laughter". 

Oh dear,  the human condition....

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You need me to do your research for you?

Britannica:

"The communists were particularly successful in using guerrilla warfare to resist Japan. The rapid Japanese advances broke down the established patterns of politico-military control. Communist troops and organizers moved into the vast rural areas behind Japanese lines".16 Dec 2024

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 9:59am:


I am not asking for lame excuses. I am asking you to explain your logic. Why did you claim that the CCP did not slaughter tens of millions of Chinese people in order to seize power? Quote:


Because "it's the economy, stupid"....and the Confederacy considerd the economy of the South needed free (slave) labour, to function profitably.

It was a human rights issue only in the eyes of the Union. 

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2025 at 8:39am:


Your claim that one side ONLY is responsible for the slaughter in a war to settle an ideological dispute.

Obviously an incorrect claim, BOTH sides are responsible for the ensuing slaughter until one side wins and the slaughter stops.   

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And?

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2025 at 8:56am:



Your error: 'capitalist pigs' were in charge  of China's government after the collapse of the Qing dynasty, maintaining  the vicious poverty of the masses. 

Chinese communists (following Marx)  believed in an alternative system of government, one which they believed would improve the condition of the masses.

Hence they set about creating a revolution - which of necessity was resolved in a war to settle this ideological dispute with the ruling 'capitalist pigs'.  They won.

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See above;  you must be running out of your ideologically crippled 'logic' by now.....

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The famine partly caused by forced collectivization of farms? 

No - that was a disaster, related to the fact Marx himself said nothing about 'communist' reform of subsistence  farming in a poverty-ravaged pre-industrial economy.

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Fast forward to today: China is the world's 2nd largest economy, after eradicting poverty at the fastest rate in history) and largest trading nation, with leading-edge technology in several fields (notably EVs and PVs)

Trump - following his 'survival of the fittest' instincts -  is upset, and  is imposing a protectionist  'lose-lose' situation on global trade which badly affects allies as well as "adversaries" - with one of his chief aims (admittedly continued by Biden)  being the containment of China's development, to maintain US global hegemony.

Here are Jeffery Sachs's** ideas on the matter, recorded during the 19th G20 Summit held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, from November 18 to 19, under the theme of "Building a Just World and a Sustainable Planet," chosen by Brazil, the G20 presidency.

(Google) 

"The key issue of development is to boost critical investments in the low-income countries (LICs) and lower-middle-income countries (LMICs), notably in human capital (education, health, and nutrition) and in infrastructure (green energy, modern transport including fast rail and green shipping, and digital connectivity). A key solution is better access for the LICs and LMIC to long-term, low-interest loans.  This increased financing should be brought about through expanded lending by the multilateral development banks and through improved market financing for the LICs and LMIC.  The Global Financial Architecture needs fundamental reform to secure the improved financing of developing countries.  Up until now, the US and other high-income countries have failed to take on their responsibilities for global financial reform."

Jeffrey Sachs is a world-renowned American economist, a professor and director of the Center for Sustainable Development at Columbia University.

Obviously looking past the obsolete 'communist' versus 'capitalist' dispute you are still entrapped by, and confronting the issue of achieving good global governance in the modern post-industrial, AI and IT enhanced economy.