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Reply #660 - Jan 28^th, 2025 at 12:35pm

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2025 at 11:36am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 2:30pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 2:00pm:

So you support the CCP deliberately killing tens of millions of Chinese people, and you have no idea why the Chinese people would ever need to defend themselves from the CCP?

The CCP didn't do that

Didn't do what exactly?

Read - and reply to my last post #658.

To repeat: commies didn't "slaughter millions of Chinese to achieve government"; they fought (and won the ensuing war) against the ruling 'capitalist pigs' with the aim of establishing the communist revolution (following Marx) to eradicate poverty among the masses which existed under the entrenched capitalist-pig government.

Typical: you can't understand why Hamas rejects the UN-sponsored confiscation of half of Palestine; and why the commies rejected and fought against rule by 'capitalist pigs'.

Read and address my #658, or stand exposed as a fraud.

As noted in #658, Sachs is addressing the critical issues facing the world now, not your obsolete 'communism versus capitalism' crap which is even seen in Trump's rhetoric about 'Biden's failed extreme 'socialist Left' policies.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49347 At my desk.	Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda Reply #661 - Jan 29^th, 2025 at 6:54am Quote: To repeat: commies didn't "slaughter millions of Chinese to achieve government"; Let's try breaking it down. Did the CCP slaughter tens of millions of Chinese people? Did they seize power? Were the two related?
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Reply #663 - Jan 31^st, 2025 at 10:18am

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 6:54am:

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To repeat: commies didn't "slaughter millions of Chinese to achieve government";

Let's try breaking it down.

Did the CCP slaughter tens of millions of Chinese people?

No; the nationalists and commies slaughtered one another in the civil war.

Spot the difference?

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Did they seize power?

Yes, because the commies won the war.

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Were the two related?

Yes.

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Reply #664 - Jan 31^st, 2025 at 10:26am

Jasin wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 7:17am:

Hamas isn't fighting for their country.
They're fighting to kill Jews.

Your error: Hamas is resisting the confiscation of half of Palestine by the UN.

Like FD, your "freedom values" ideology cripples your capacity for analysis; both Hamas and Israel are ignoring the UN's role in international law (instituted in late 1945) supposed "to save mankind from the scourge of war".

The incapacity of current UN-ordained security- machinery is another issue, related to your delusional "individual freedom" ideology.

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Reply #665 - Jan 31^st, 2025 at 10:27am

So you claim that the CCP did not slaughter tens of millions of Chinese people because the CCP did in fact slaughter tens of millions of Chinese people, but, big surprise, they encountered resistance?

Is there some kind of language barrier here where you translate what I say into Chinese and it changes the meaning, or are you taking the CCP's approach of telling lies and claiming something didn't happen unless the spin is also correct?

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Reply #666 - Jan 31^st, 2025 at 10:36am

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 10:27am:

So you claim that the CCP did not slaughter tens of millions of Chinese people because the CCP did in fact slaughter tens of millions of Chinese people, but, big surprise, they encountered resistance?

Your error: the (nationalist) "resistance" was from the hated forces defending the status quo maintaining mass poverty and inequality.

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Is there some kind of language barrier here where you translate what I say into Chinese and it changes the meaning, or are you taking the CCP's approach of telling lies and claiming something didn't happen unless the spin is also correct?

No, and no.

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Reply #667 - Feb 1^st, 2025 at 9:11am

So your argument is that the CCP did not deliberately slaughter tens of millions of Chinese people, even though they did in fact slaughter tens of millions of Chinese people, because the CCP has instructed you to hate the people it has killed?

Can you explain why your instruction to hate somehow turns the truth into a lie?

Also, do you realise how moronic it is to blame the CCP's enemies for poverty when the CCP went on to starve 50 million Chinese people to death by trying to feed them all equally?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17969 Gender:	Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda Reply #668 - Feb 1^st, 2025 at 2:27pm freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2025 at 9:11am: Also, do you realise how moronic it is to blame the CCP's enemies for poverty when the CCP went on to starve 50 million Chinese people to death by trying to feed them all equally? You mean Mao's physique was a result of starvation? Poor fellow.
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Reply #669 - Feb 2^nd, 2025 at 10:42am

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2025 at 9:11am:

So your argument is that the CCP did not deliberately slaughter tens of millions of Chinese people, even though they did in fact slaughter tens of millions of Chinese people, because the CCP has instructed you to hate the people it has killed?

No; please respond to my previous post - the post to which you imagine you are replying - instead of conconcocting your own version of "my argument".

The nationalist resistence to economic reform had no vision of 'Marxist' common prosperity in their agenda - hence the civil war which the 'capitalist pigs' lost.

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Can you explain why your instruction to hate somehow turns the truth into a lie?

I am not "instructed to hate" people, I hate your delusional "individual freedom" ideology which entrenches war and poverty around the globe by denying a rules-based system capable of defending the UNUDHR including the elimination of war and poverty in our world.

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Also, do you realise how moronic it is to blame the CCP's enemies for poverty when the CCP went on to starve 50 million Chinese people to death by trying to feed them all equally?

The CCP's enemies - unlike the CCP - can't even eradicate poverty in their own countries - which is why Trump is now at war with everyone.

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Reply #670 - Feb 2^nd, 2025 at 10:48am

I did read your previous post. You said the tens of millions of people slaughtered by the CCP were "hated," but other than that did not offer any explanation for why you claim the CCP did not slaughter tens of millions of Chinese people, even though they did deliberately slaughter tens of millions of Chinese people.

Can you explain which of your excuses changes the truth of that slaughter into a lie? You flip flop between sop many of them that it is hard to keep up.

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Reply #671 - Feb 2^nd, 2025 at 10:48am

lee wrote on Feb 1^st, 2025 at 2:27pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2025 at 9:11am:

Also, do you realise how moronic it is to blame the CCP's enemies for poverty when the CCP went on to starve 50 million Chinese people to death by trying to feed them all equally?

You mean Mao's physique was a result of starvation? Poor fellow.

You are following FD into error, as to be expected.

The CCP wasn't "trying to feed everyone equally", it was trying to eradicate poverty among the masses.

Errors were made, but since then, China has eradicated poverty at the fastest rate in history - aka the "Chinese miracle", according to the World Bank,
via a combination of non-market management, and market processes appropriate to Chinese development.

Markets are a good servant, but a bad master, and a worse religion. A. Lovins.

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Reply #672 - Feb 2^nd, 2025 at 11:06am

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2025 at 10:48am:

I did read your previous post.

Which said:

"Your error: the (nationalist) "resistance" was from the hated forces defending the status quo maintaining mass poverty and inequality."

Note: the resitance to the Marxist ideal was the cause of the war - and the slaughter.

As the Israelis are fond of saying (to defend their Gazan genocide): "there are always civilian casualties in war."

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You said the tens of millions of people slaughtered by the CCP were "hated,"

No, I said slaughter is a concomitant of war.

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but other than that did not offer any explanation for why you claim the CCP did not slaughter tens of millions of Chinese people, even though they did deliberately slaughter tens of millions of Chinese people.

See above, it takes two to tango.

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Can you explain which of your excuses changes the truth of that slaughter into a lie? You flip flop between sop many of them that it is hard to keep up.

Already explained above....your delusional "individual freedom" ideology is crippling your ability for rational analysis.

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Reply #673 - Feb 2^nd, 2025 at 12:45pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2025 at 10:48am:

The CCP wasn't "trying to feed everyone equally", it was trying to eradicate poverty among the masses.

Which meant more for the leaders. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2025 at 10:48am:

Errors were made, but since then, China has eradicated poverty at the fastest rate in history - aka the "Chinese miracle", according to the World Bank,

Ah the same World Bank that doesn't want poor nations to use the cheapest clean fuel possible, like China, but intermittents. Grin

"Global poverty reduction has slowed to a near standstill, with 2020-2030 set to be a lost decade."

https://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/poverty/overview

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Reply #674 - Feb 2^nd, 2025 at 1:01pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 10:26am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 7:17am:

Hamas isn't fighting for their country.
They're fighting to kill Jews.

Your error: Hamas is resisting the confiscation of half of Palestine by the UN.

Like FD, your "freedom values" ideology cripples your capacity for analysis; both Hamas and Israel are ignoring the UN's role in international law (instituted in late 1945) supposed "to save mankind from the scourge of war".

The incapacity of current UN-ordained security- machinery is another issue, related to your delusional "individual freedom" ideology.

There was no such country as PALESTINE.

It wasn't their land - so it wasn't confiscated.

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