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Reply #60 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 1:47pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 4:59pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24^th, 2024 at 1:51pm:

It's called 'Representative Democracy', Bobby.

If you'd prefer 'Direct Democracy', you'll have to move to Liechtenstein.

The politicians need to go to elections with true lists of what they intend to do.
If it's mass immigration of millions of people
when there is no housing for them - which causes sky rocketing rents and house, unit and flat prices -
they need to tell us first.

The politicians are robbing us of our democracy.
They are traitors to Australia - all of them in the major parties.

Actually, neoclassical economists - serving the interests of financial elites, at the centres of power - are destroying our democracy, via the dogma of the "independent" reserve bank, which takes policy-making out of the hands of elected representatives.

(...allowing Chalmers to claim "we don't control interest rates"....)

Most pollies think they are freely legislating policies, but they are subject to obsolete economic orthodoxy, believing government budgets are subject to the same constraints as household budgets.

That's why it's always a choice between tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum; the government is "broke" whichever party is in office.

But you can't see it, being duped by neoclassical economic orthodoxy.

As is the government, thinking we have to increase the population to increase prosperity - an obvious error, except to 'continuous growth' neoclassical economists.

Then the RBA should have refused to buy all the Govt Bonds so the money printing would stop.

You are learning, Bobby.

In fact, the government should not have issued (ie, sold) bonds in the first place, because currency-issuing governments don't NEED to borrow, obviously.

Note: creating money out of thin air is not "money printing", it's changing the (computer) digits in citizens' bank accounts, IF/provided the government can purchase the necessary resources from citizens.

Spot the difference?

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Reply #61 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 2:04pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You are learning, Bobby.

In fact, the government should not have issued (ie, sold) bonds in the first place, because currency-issuing governments don't NEED to borrow, obviously.

Note: creating money out of thin air is not "money printing", it's changing the (computer) digits in citizens' bank accounts, IF/provided the government can purchase the necessary resources from citizens.

Spot the difference?

Me learning?
I'm the teacher here.

Inflation was caused by the RBA and they never apologised for it.

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Reply #62 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 2:48pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 2:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You are learning, Bobby.

In fact, the government should not have issued (ie, sold) bonds in the first place, because currency-issuing governments don't NEED to borrow, obviously.

Note: creating money out of thin air is not "money printing", it's changing the (computer) digits in citizens' bank accounts, IF/provided the government can purchase the necessary resources from citizens.

Spot the difference?

Me learning?
I'm the teacher here.

ie the teacher of obsolete economic orthodoxy.

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Inflation was caused by the RBA and they never apologised for it.

They are merely following the the precepts of neoclassical/neoliberal orthodoxy which YOU support.

Q: how should the govt. have kept locked-down workers alive during the pandemic?

You stopped learning when you abandoned the MMT teachings.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105380 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda Reply #63 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 2:51pm TGD, you've go it all wrong. I don't support - MMT - modern monetary theory. Govts should never be printing $trillions in excess money. We printed over $1 trillion. The Yanks printed over $34 trillion. The Yanks are printing another $1 trillion every 100 days.
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Reply #64 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 3:03pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 2:51pm:

TGD,
you've go it all wrong.
I don't support - MMT - modern monetary theory.
Govts should never be printing $trillions in excess money.

We printed over $1 trillion.

The Yanks printed over $34 trillion.

Yes, and inflation in both countries is falling.

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The Yanks are printing another $1 trillion every 100 days.

Yes.....and lo and behold, interest rates and inflation are falling in the US.

The penny will drop in a few years time, when US debt reaches $100 trillion, yet the US economy keeps chugging along.

But we have a problem when you refuse to answer simple questions: how SHOULD the Oz government have kept locked down workers - who had no income - alive in the pandemic?

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Reply #65 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 3:41pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 3:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 2:51pm:

TGD,
you've go it all wrong.
I don't support - MMT - modern monetary theory.
Govts should never be printing $trillions in excess money.

We printed over $1 trillion.

The Yanks printed over $34 trillion.

Yes, and inflation in both countries is falling.

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The Yanks are printing another $1 trillion every 100 days.

Yes.....and lo and behold, interest rates and inflation are falling in the US.

The penny will drop in a few years time, when US debt reaches $100 trillion, yet the US economy keeps chugging along.

But we have a problem when you refuse to answer simple questions: how SHOULD the Oz government have kept locked down workers - who had no income - alive in the pandemic?

By refusing to go along with lockdowns.
In the long run we would have had fewer deaths -
now we're getting deaths related to the vax itself. Roll Eyes

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Reply #66 - Mar 27^th, 2024 at 3:15pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 3:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 2:51pm:

TGD,
you've go it all wrong.
I don't support - MMT - modern monetary theory.
Govts should never be printing $trillions in excess money.

We printed over $1 trillion.

The Yanks printed over $34 trillion.

Yes, and inflation in both countries is falling.

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The Yanks are printing another $1 trillion every 100 days.

Yes.....and lo and behold, interest rates and inflation are falling in the US.

The penny will drop in a few years time, when US debt reaches $100 trillion, yet the US economy keeps chugging along.

But we have a problem when you refuse to answer simple questions: how SHOULD the Oz government have kept locked down workers - who had no income - alive in the pandemic?

By refusing to go along with lockdowns.
In the long run we would have had fewer deaths -
now we're getting deaths related to the vax itself. Roll Eyes

In the long run...with nursing homes residents all dead, and a lot of formerly healthy functioning people dead as as well, before vaccines saved most of us.

Remember, Trump himself would be dead if it wasn't for a vaccine; it was touch and go for a while (and he got very sick).

I'll ask again: how should government keep wageless, locked-down (non-essential) workers alive, in a real pandemic - not a 'dud' like covid- 19?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105380 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda Reply #67 - Mar 27^th, 2024 at 3:25pm TGD - you're making up hypotheticals. forgiven namaste ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49094 At my desk.	Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda Reply #68 - Mar 27^th, 2024 at 3:26pm Keeping people alive? Isn't that setting the bar a bit high for the CCP?
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12979 Gender:	Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda Reply #69 - Mar 27^th, 2024 at 4:05pm freediver wrote on Mar 27^th, 2024 at 3:26pm: Keeping people alive? Isn't that setting the bar a bit high for the CCP? (google) Chinese life expectancy 1960 to 2024: increased from 50 to 79 years US over the same period: increased from 69 to 79 years. (India: 45 to 69 years).
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Reply #70 - Mar 27^th, 2024 at 4:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 27^th, 2024 at 3:25pm:

TGD - you're making up hypotheticals.

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Because you are deluded by the government as household metaphor.

Currency-issuing government doesn't NEED to borrow...

(Lovely scrolls; Bach was fond of creating similar alongside his scores).

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Reply #71 - Mar 27^th, 2024 at 4:17pm

The CCP starved 50 million Chinese people to death by trying to feed them all equally.

They deliberately suppressed information about the initial covid virus outbreak in the lead up to Chinese new year, when Chinese people travel a lot, resulting in a massive spread of the disease when they should have been trying to slow the spread. Again, massive loss of life, this time not just restricted to China.

So yeah, keeping people alive is not exactly one of the CCP's strengths.

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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #72 - Mar 27^th, 2024 at 4:18pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 8:38am:

Do you mean the same thing as the CCP when you say common prosperity?

Yes.

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Are you aware of anything you have posted on this forum that contradicts CCP policy?

Yes - example given, which YOU agree with!

What was the example?

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What is the 'one CCP policy' you said you were addressing?

Have your forgotten already? I'm addressing the particular CCP policy expressed in the term 'common prosperity'. '

It means no-one living in poverty; the CCP has the centenary of the CCP government in mind (in 2049), for its achievement.

Whereas people will still be unemployed and living in city streets in Oz, if the current neoliberal orthodoxy is still in place.

That is a goal, not a policy. Unless you think the CCP policy is to predict the future and cross their fingers?

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Reply #73 - Mar 27^th, 2024 at 4:34pm

freediver wrote on Mar 27^th, 2024 at 4:17pm:

The CCP starved 50 million Chinese people to death by trying to feed them all equally.

Wrong again: with the intention to lift eveyone from serfdom to food security in an industrialized society.

Marx stated the goal, but did not address the method, for a pre-industrial subsistence-agriculture economy.

Note for poor ideologically-blind FD: food security for all is NOT "trying to feed everyone equally" - the Right's fake 'equality of outcome' narrative.

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They deliberately suppressed information about the initial covid virus outbreak in the lead up to Chinese new year, when Chinese people travel a lot, resulting in a massive spread of the disease when they should have been trying to slow the spread. Again, massive loss of life, this time not just restricted to China.

That's not progaganda - you are changing the topic (!); but no doubt there was considerable panic afoot at the time which they wanted to keep under wraps.

Ever heard of FOI controversies here at home?
Causes considerable strife at times.

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So yeah, keeping people alive is not exactly one of the CCP's strengths.

Check the CCP's success in increasing Chinese life expectancy since 1960, cf. the US.

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Reply #74 - Mar 27^th, 2024 at 4:41pm

freediver wrote on Mar 27^th, 2024 at 4:17pm:

The CCP starved 50 million Chinese people to death by trying to feed them all equally.

They deliberately suppressed information about the initial covid virus outbreak in the lead up to Chinese new year, when Chinese people travel a lot, resulting in a massive spread of the disease when they should have been trying to slow the spread. Again, massive loss of life, this time not just restricted to China.

So yeah, keeping people alive is not exactly one of the CCP's strengths.

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