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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #720 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:56pm  
freediver wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 11:16am:
freediver wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:43am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 28th, 2025 at 10:10am:
freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2025 at 8:53am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 27th, 2025 at 11:20am:
freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2025 at 8:07am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26th, 2025 at 1:05pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 26th, 2025 at 12:27pm:
So it was not the CCP's fault they starved 50 million people to death, it was because Karl Marx forgot to tell them exactly what to do?


Back to your dumb question mode;  "the communist manifesto" (1848) was written a century BEFORE the 1949 communist revolution in China - which was still a subsistence agriculture economy in 1949.   

Do try to keep up.   


Are you disagreeing with me?


Yes.

Marx could not have "forgotten to tell the CCP"  anything, because:

1. Marx died before commie ideologues  began establishing a 'Marxist' movement in China.

2. Marx did not address subsistence agriculture economies such as existed in China, and which Mao had to deal with. 

Do try to keep up.    


So it was not the CCP's fault they starved 50 million people to death, it was Karl Marx's fault because he omitted to tell them exactly what to do?


Well....yes.

Now FD is displaying the same crippled-brain syndrone as lee**: he can't comprehend points 1 and 2, above.

**common among delusional freedom=democracy'
ideologues, especially those suffering from the 'invisible hand'/efficient free market religion. 



Should Karl have foreseen a bunch of CCP morons starving 50 million people to death by trying to feed them all equally, and lying to each other about the consequences while the corpses piled up around them?


Of course not, Karl wasn't at all concerned with how to eradicate absolute  poverty in a vast subsistence  agrarian (pre-industrial) economy. 


But you still think it was Karl's fault, not the CCP's, when the CCP starved over 50 million of it's own citizens to death


No, I explained that earlier: Marx, who didn't address absolute poverty in a subsistence agricultural economy, had no idea of the mistakes  a future "Marxist" government would make, while claiming to be a "Marxist" govenment.

Do try to keep up.


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at a time when other nations, including neighbours like South Korea, were leaping ahead in living standards?


Nice try, no cigar: S. Korea was already infested with US troops who implimented  US capitalism after the Korean War, before Mao's mistakes, and long before the current 'Trump era',  caused by the failure of US capitalism under WTO rules to compete with China.   
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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #721 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 1:06pm  
More contradictions within (especially US) democracy, resulting in Musk's DOGE wanting to sack judges in the 'independent  judiciary' aka 'separation of powers' - because they are not (gasp) "democratic".....

(Daily Mail)

USPS signs agreement with DOGE agreeing to cut 10,000 workers

The U.S. Postal Services has agreed under pressure from the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) to cut 10,000 of its workforce. It comes as Elon Musk insists America is not a true democracy if judges who attempt to block President Donald Trump 's cost-cutting agenda are permitted to keep their spot on the bench.

Perhaps Musk is longing for the Chinese system, where the govenment makes the law and judges enforce it......
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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #722 - Mar 16th, 2025 at 9:51am  
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:56pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 11:16am:
freediver wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:43am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 28th, 2025 at 10:10am:
freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2025 at 8:53am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 27th, 2025 at 11:20am:
freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2025 at 8:07am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26th, 2025 at 1:05pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 26th, 2025 at 12:27pm:
So it was not the CCP's fault they starved 50 million people to death, it was because Karl Marx forgot to tell them exactly what to do?


Back to your dumb question mode;  "the communist manifesto" (1848) was written a century BEFORE the 1949 communist revolution in China - which was still a subsistence agriculture economy in 1949.   

Do try to keep up.   


Are you disagreeing with me?


Yes.

Marx could not have "forgotten to tell the CCP"  anything, because:

1. Marx died before commie ideologues  began establishing a 'Marxist' movement in China.

2. Marx did not address subsistence agriculture economies such as existed in China, and which Mao had to deal with. 

Do try to keep up.    


So it was not the CCP's fault they starved 50 million people to death, it was Karl Marx's fault because he omitted to tell them exactly what to do?


Well....yes.

Now FD is displaying the same crippled-brain syndrone as lee**: he can't comprehend points 1 and 2, above.

**common among delusional freedom=democracy'
ideologues, especially those suffering from the 'invisible hand'/efficient free market religion. 



Should Karl have foreseen a bunch of CCP morons starving 50 million people to death by trying to feed them all equally, and lying to each other about the consequences while the corpses piled up around them?


Of course not, Karl wasn't at all concerned with how to eradicate absolute  poverty in a vast subsistence  agrarian (pre-industrial) economy. 


But you still think it was Karl's fault, not the CCP's, when the CCP starved over 50 million of it's own citizens to death


No, I explained that earlier: Marx, who didn't address absolute poverty in a subsistence agricultural economy, had no idea of the mistakes  a future "Marxist" government would make, while claiming to be a "Marxist" govenment.

Do try to keep up.


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at a time when other nations, including neighbours like South Korea, were leaping ahead in living standards?


Nice try, no cigar: S. Korea was already infested with US troops who implimented  US capitalism after the Korean War, before Mao's mistakes, and long before the current 'Trump era',  caused by the failure of US capitalism under WTO rules to compete with China.   

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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #723 - Mar 16th, 2025 at 10:00am  
freediver wrote on Mar 16th, 2025 at 9:51am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:56pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 11:16am:
freediver wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:43am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 28th, 2025 at 10:10am:
freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2025 at 8:53am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 27th, 2025 at 11:20am:
freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2025 at 8:07am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26th, 2025 at 1:05pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 26th, 2025 at 12:27pm:
So it was not the CCP's fault they starved 50 million people to death, it was because Karl Marx forgot to tell them exactly what to do?


Back to your dumb question mode;  "the communist manifesto" (1848) was written a century BEFORE the 1949 communist revolution in China - which was still a subsistence agriculture economy in 1949.   

Do try to keep up.   


Are you disagreeing with me?


Yes.

Marx could not have "forgotten to tell the CCP"  anything, because:

1. Marx died before commie ideologues  began establishing a 'Marxist' movement in China.

2. Marx did not address subsistence agriculture economies such as existed in China, and which Mao had to deal with. 

Do try to keep up.    


So it was not the CCP's fault they starved 50 million people to death, it was Karl Marx's fault because he omitted to tell them exactly what to do?


Well....yes.

Now FD is displaying the same crippled-brain syndrone as lee**: he can't comprehend points 1 and 2, above.

**common among delusional freedom=democracy'
ideologues, especially those suffering from the 'invisible hand'/efficient free market religion. 



Should Karl have foreseen a bunch of CCP morons starving 50 million people to death by trying to feed them all equally, and lying to each other about the consequences while the corpses piled up around them?


Of course not, Karl wasn't at all concerned with how to eradicate absolute  poverty in a vast subsistence  agrarian (pre-industrial) economy. 


But you still think it was Karl's fault, not the CCP's, when the CCP starved over 50 million of it's own citizens to death


No, I explained that earlier: Marx, who didn't address absolute poverty in a subsistence agricultural economy, had no idea of the mistakes  a future "Marxist" government would make, while claiming to be a "Marxist" govenment.

Do try to keep up.


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at a time when other nations, including neighbours like South Korea, were leaping ahead in living standards?


Nice try, no cigar: S. Korea was already infested with US troops who implimented  US capitalism after the Korean War, before Mao's mistakes, and long before the current 'Trump era',  caused by the failure of US capitalism under WTO rules to compete with China.   

     
People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.


Are you disputing that  the current global 'Trump era' chaos was/is  caused by the failure of US capitalism under WTO (free-trade/free-market) rules to compete with China?   
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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #724 - Mar 17th, 2025 at 8:33am  
No. How can I disagree with meaningless gibberish?

Was it Karl's fault, or the CCP's fault, that the CCP starved 50 million people to death?
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Reply #725 - Mar 17th, 2025 at 4:28pm  
freediver wrote on Mar 17th, 2025 at 8:33am:
No. How can I disagree with meaningless gibberish?


Where's the gibberish in:

"the current global 'Trump era' chaos..."

Your tiny mind incapable of understanding that? OR simply too ideologically blind?

(Hint: see the global uproar over Trump's tariffs, condemned  by mainstream economists)

" was/is  caused by the failure of US capitalism under WTO (free-trade/free-market) rules to compete with China?"

..and Trump is now fuming because the US can't build ships anymore, while China has taken the number one ship building spot - as a result of WTO trade rules informed by   mainstream "comparative advantage" dogma.

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Was it Karl's fault, or the CCP's fault, that the CCP starved 50 million people to death?


The CCPs,  of course, before they changed course in 1990. 

But the reason why the US can't compete with China now - without resorting to a trade war - is a one-party consensus meritocracy has the potential to be more efficient than an adversarial multi party rabble - and China has fully manifested  that potential since 1990,  aka 'the Chinese miracle'.

You are too bent on attacking alternatives to adversarial-party democracy because you are a delusional  'democracy equals freedom' ideologue, and can only see policy arrived at by consensus eg, in the recent 'two sessions" governing conference in China, as anathema - because the delegates weren't chosen by a  fixed-interval  vote  of the entire electorate , but by a consensus of interested people beginning at the local ('grass-roots') level.

Trump is certainly showing us how to  deal with his adversaries at home, and abroad. 




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Reply #726 - Mar 17th, 2025 at 5:11pm  
I can't see a lot of Chinese in Australia volunteering to fight for Australia if we go to war. Reckon they would hide.
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Reply #727 - Mar 18th, 2025 at 8:14am  
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 17th, 2025 at 4:28pm:
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Was it Karl's fault, or the CCP's fault, that the CCP starved 50 million people to death?


The CCPs,  of course, before they changed course in 1990. 


thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 28th, 2025 at 10:10am:
freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2025 at 8:53am:
So it was not the CCP's fault they starved 50 million people to death, it was Karl Marx's fault because he omitted to tell them exactly what to do?


Well....yes.


How often do you change your mind on this? Or does your answer change with the context? Or is it all just gibberish and propaganda that has no real meaning to begin with?
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Reply #728 - Mar 18th, 2025 at 11:47am  
freediver wrote on Mar 18th, 2025 at 8:14am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 17th, 2025 at 4:28pm:
[quote]Was it Karl's fault, or the CCP's fault, that the CCP starved 50 million people to death?


The CCP's,  of course, before they changed course in 1990. 


So,  I agreed - it was the CCP's fault for the famine (though a drought and other factors played a role). 


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So it was not the CCP's fault they starved 50 million people to death, it was Karl Marx's fault because he omitted to tell them exactly what to do?

tgd: Well....yes.


Yes - in the context of YOUR absurd narrative  about Marx omitting to tell the CCP what to do, an absurdity  I have already addressed.

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Or does your answer change with the context?


In the context of your absurd narratives, yes.

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Or is it all just gibberish and propaganda that has no real meaning to begin with?


The blind, delusional "democracy equals freedom" ideologue displaying all his inability to address the failures of capitalism under 'elected' adversarial multi-party rabbles, and the failure of the democracies to implement common prosperity; so his remaining course is to attack China's consensus one-party meritocracy.

Deplorable.    
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Reply #729 - Mar 19th, 2025 at 7:27am  
Can you explain in which contexts you would say it was the CCP's fault and not Karl's, and in which contexts you would say it was Karl's fault and not the CCP's?
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Reply #730 - Mar 19th, 2025 at 2:42pm  
freediver wrote on Mar 19th, 2025 at 7:27am:
Can you explain in which contexts you would say it was the CCP's fault and not Karl's, and in which contexts you would say it was Karl's fault and not the CCP's?


In the context of your stupid narrative that Karl forgot to tell the CCP to do something: in that context, it WAS Karl's fault (for forgetting to tell the CCP)  and not the CCP's. 

But of course Karl DIDN'T forget (couldn't have forgotten)  to tell the CCP; in that case, it was the CCP's fault, not Karl's - until the CCP changed course and created 'the Chinese miracle'.

Meantime,  are you looking forward to exercising your "freedom" to elect the next set of adversarial clowns to run the government,  while the 'lock-em up'  mob have no idea how to eradicate the socio-economic disadvantage which is responsible for the home invasions and assaults in the first place, a manifestation of social breakdown?  Or failure to maintain public (or private) infrastructure which is causing riots all aound the world.
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