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Reply #90 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:13am

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:07am:

You said you discussed the policies needed to achieve "common prosperity", in the context of you agreeing with CCP policies. Is this limited to you claiming to support MMT and claiming the CCP is aware of it?

He posts what he's instructed to post.

You'll have to ask his handler.

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Reply #91 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:17am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 28^th, 2024 at 5:44pm:

And you don't understand MMT.

No excuse, there are pages explaining it on this board.

Neither this thread nor your post is about MMT, so... send feedback to your handler that he's out of sync with the conversation... Y'know, like he was twice with the American Revolution and the War of 1812.

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Reply #92 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:43am

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:07am:

Are you aware of anything else you have posted on this forum that contradicts CCP policy?

Other than the concept of "common prosperity" (and the UNSC veto)?

No. Do feel free to show us otherwise.

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I expect the CCP would happily give up their veto if it meant the other veto powers were abolished. The more China can do to make the UN ineffective, the better for them. Obviously they would be happy to have the only veto in the UN.

An exceptionally confused paragraph, even from you.

1. If UNSC veto powers were abolished , that would include the veto of all five veto-wielding UNSC nations.

2. Abolition of the veto means the UNSC would speak with one voice, just as the High Courts of each nation in the UN speak with one voice (determined by the majority vote of the justices in each national High Court).

Nothing to do with "China making the UN ineffective; the UN is ALREADY ineffective BECAUSE of the veto.

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I did not claim the individual is the community. When I talked about what people do with their money, why would you interpret that as excluding macroeconomic trends?

Because microeconomics (eg what individuals do with their money) - masquerading as macro economics - is in fact the reason for the delusions of mainstream neoclassical orthodox economists.

See #757 in the MMT thread:

https://profstevekeen.substack.com/p/the-magnificent-failure-of-mainstream?utm_s...

The Magnificent Failure of Mainstream Economics

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You said you discussed the policies needed to achieve "common prosperity", in the context of you agreeing with CCP policies. Is this limited to you claiming to support MMT and claiming the CCP is aware of it?

Yes.

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Re: Chinese Communist Party Propaganda
Reply #93 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:51am

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Other than the concept of "common prosperity" (and the UNSC veto)?

No. Do feel free to show us otherwise.

Are you saying that your common prosperity stuff contradicts CCP policy?

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Nothing to do with "China making the UN ineffective; the UN is ALREADY ineffective BECAUSE of the veto.

It would make it easier for China to influence the UN by bullying smaller nations.

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Because microeconomics (eg what individuals do with their money) - masquerading as macro economics - is in fact the reason for the delusions of mainstream neoclassical orthodox economists.

Are you claiming you deliberately misrepresented what I posted because of this?

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Reply #94 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:51am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:13am:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:07am:

You said you discussed the policies needed to achieve "common prosperity", in the context of you agreeing with CCP policies. Is this limited to you claiming to support MMT and claiming the CCP is aware of it?

He posts what he's instructed to post.

You'll have to ask his handler.

Er... you might observe, I don't have time to consult a " handler".

But you certainly need to consult someone who can think and debate the issues at hand.

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Reply #95 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:53am

Mainland Chinese are known for their general ignorance of anywhere outside their province and also their incapacity for original thought - they revert to mangled 'legalese' to compensate for it - which includes repeating formal- or legal-sounding terms ad nauseam.

It's one of the many ways a poster can be sure he's dealing with a CCP goon.

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Reply #96 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:55am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:13am:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:07am:

You said you discussed the policies needed to achieve "common prosperity", in the context of you agreeing with CCP policies. Is this limited to you claiming to support MMT and claiming the CCP is aware of it?

He posts what he's instructed to post.

You'll have to ask his handler.

Er... you might observe, I don't have time to consult a " handler".

But you certainly need to consult someone who can think and debate the issues at hand.

Mainland Chinese do not care if the response is relevant, so long as it parrots formal- or legal-sounding terms, so responses can be generated fast - cha bu duo style.

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Reply #97 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:56am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:17am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 28^th, 2024 at 5:44pm:

And you don't understand MMT.

No excuse, there are pages explaining it on this board.

Neither this thread nor your post is about MMT, so... send feedback to your handler that he's out of sync with the conversation... Y'know, like he was twice with the American Revolution and the War of 1812.

Er....poor Meister, "common prosperity" (CCP "propaganda", according to FD) IS about macro-economics, and MMT is a school of macroeconomics.

Do try to keep up.

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Reply #99 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 10:00am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:17am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 28^th, 2024 at 5:44pm:

And you don't understand MMT.

No excuse, there are pages explaining it on this board.

Neither this thread nor your post is about MMT, so... send feedback to your handler that he's out of sync with the conversation... Y'know, like he was twice with the American Revolution and the War of 1812.

Er....poor Meister, "common prosperity" (CCP "propaganda", according to FD) IS about macro-economics, and MMT is a school of macroeconomics.

Do try to keep up.

Common prosperity is a generic term, not one exclusive to any political or economic theory.

You'll need to understand English beyond high-school level to comprehend that.

We in the West are immune to mangled legalese,

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Reply #100 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 10:02am

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:58am:

Most of what China has done to lift people out of starvation is microeconomic in nature - the most rapid transition from communism to capitalism ever seen.

And done in the same feverish, cha bu duo, style the mainland Chinese do everything, which is why the place is a sewer,

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Reply #101 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 10:04am

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:51am:

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Other than the concept of "common prosperity" (and the UNSC veto)?

No. Do feel free to show us otherwise.

Are you saying that your common prosperity stuff contradicts CCP policy?

No.

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It would make it easier for China to influence the UN by bullying smaller nations.

Er... China would have only one vote, in a UNSC without veto. But certainly, your fake rules based order ie based on your 'natural individual rights' delusions would more likely be exposed in the UNGA, if the UNSC was forced to speak with one voice.

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Are you claiming you deliberately misrepresented what I posted because of this?

No.

I'm claiming you don't understand how the macroeconomy works, as explained by Prof. Keen in the linked article.

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Reply #102 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 10:11am

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:58am:

Most of what China has done to lift people out of starvation is microeconomic in nature - the most rapid transition from communism to capitalism ever seen.

Er...adoption of free market principles in China - a formerly planned economy, is not micro-economics.

But China is now facing the limitations of free market ideology - as based on erroneous Western neoclassical economics masquerading as macroeconomics (eg see the private-sector real-estate Evergrande collapse).

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Reply #103 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 10:15am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 10:11am:

But China is now facing the limitations of free market ideology - as based on erroneous Western neoclassical economics masquerading as macroeconomics (eg see the private-sector real-estate Evergrande collapse).

Free market, you say!

The CCP almost exclusively limited ordinary Chinese to investing only in real estate.

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Reply #104 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 10:15am

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I'm claiming you don't understand how the macroeconomy works, as explained by Prof. Keen in the linked article.

Prof Keen wrote an article about my understanding of macroeconomics?

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Er...adoption of free market principles in China - a formerly planned economy, is not micro-economics.

Yes it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

In microeconomics, supply and demand is an economic model of price determination in a market. It postulates that, holding all else equal, in a competitive market....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microeconomics

Microeconomics shows conditions under which free markets lead to desirable allocations.

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