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Reply #45 - Oct 26th, 2024 at 11:00am
 
https://www.skynews.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Document-14-1.pdf

Pages 101-104 directly address the 'voice' proposal  ........  oops....

Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

Of course, did-ums, the vote was 'only' about that component of the Uluru Statement to which the government had committed itself as the over-arching document for action.... course it was... that's the way Albo tried to sell it and that's a large part of why it went down... in other words - he lied and you are lying.

As the basis of the entire venture - the first step as you so readily admit - it failed - and therefore the entire edifice cannot stand.  I now dare you and Albo and all these treacherous states to put all their fancy ideas to the people for proper resolution...terrified to do that, aren't you all ... because you know the answers already, as does everyone out here.

If Albo wasn't directly lying - he is one of the world's greatest fantasists and need psychiatric help... one way or another.

The People Have Spoken!  Heed Their Word!

Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin   So easy... point after point..
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Reply #46 - Oct 26th, 2024 at 11:44am
 
We've been through this already too.

You just keep repeating the same tired misinformation.

Again, yet another reason why nobody bothers to extend the time and brain power trying to engage with you.
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Reply #47 - Oct 26th, 2024 at 12:51pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 26th, 2024 at 11:44am:
We've been through this already too.

You just keep repeating the same tired misinformation.

Again, yet another reason why nobody bothers to extend the time and brain power trying to engage with you.


Well - you're the one who keeps repeating 'the party line' and having to be corrected... you are clearly at fault for any repetition.  At the same time you simply refuse to engage in any meaningful way with the realities placed into the discussion......  yet another reason why nobody bothers to extend the time and brain power trying to engage with you.

You're too easy for most to bother with - so I try to help you through your confusion.  I'm a generous soul.

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Reply #48 - Oct 27th, 2024 at 9:29am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2024 at 12:51pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 26th, 2024 at 11:44am:
We've been through this already too.

You just keep repeating the same tired misinformation.

Again, yet another reason why nobody bothers to extend the time and brain power trying to engage with you.


Well - you're the one who keeps repeating 'the party line' and having to be corrected...


Once again, you’re attempting to sidestep the truth by labelling it “the party line,” as though mere dismissal could render facts irrelevant.

Labor made its commitment to the Uluru Statement from the Heart crystal clear during the campaign, including the Voice as one of the elements of it that would require a referendum vote as it called for constitutional change.

But by dismissing this as "the party line," you reveal your intention: to conjure an alternate reality, one that aligns with your own narrative but wilfully ignores established facts. This evasion only underscores the weakness of your position, as it hinges not on truth but on convenient distortion.

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you are clearly at fault for any repetition.  At the same time you simply refuse to engage in any meaningful way with the realities placed into the discussion......  yet another reason why nobody bothers to extend the time and brain power trying to engage with you.


I gave you the links to their platform, published long before the election. The same information is plastered across interviews, news stories, and every credible source—so those too lazy or wilfully ignorant had every opportunity to inform themselves.

The facts don't care about your feelings mate.

The truth doesn't get any "truer" by repetition, just like your lies.

I thought you prided yourself on truth-telling, yet here you are, clinging to what you wish were true, not what is. So, which is it? Truth-teller, or propagator of comfortable lies?
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Reply #49 - Oct 27th, 2024 at 11:47am
 
Proof is in the voting .... heed the truth instead of the voices in your head.

You're not going to change my mind or the minds of the people of Australia over this pack of lies.

NT Has Fallen!

Queenslund Has Fallen!

ACT/Gaga Strip still refuses to give up the hostages to fortune. ANU etc are still slaves to the Empire of The Rising Spin.
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Reply #50 - Oct 27th, 2024 at 4:18pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27th, 2024 at 11:47am:
Proof is in the voting .... heed the truth instead of the voices in your head.

You're not going to change my mind or the minds of the people of Australia over this pack of lies.

NT Has Fallen!

Queenslund Has Fallen!

ACT/Gaga Strip still refuses to give up the hostages to fortune. ANU etc are still slaves to the Empire of The Rising Spin.


The vast minority of people are voting on Indigenous issues, don't delude yourself that your utter obsession even features on the radar of most.

It's actually quite troubling that you think this is the issue of most importance when so much more is happening around the country, unless of course, you're being dishonest again.
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Reply #51 - Oct 27th, 2024 at 5:15pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 27th, 2024 at 4:18pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27th, 2024 at 11:47am:
Proof is in the voting .... heed the truth instead of the voices in your head.

You're not going to change my mind or the minds of the people of Australia over this pack of lies.

NT Has Fallen!

Queenslund Has Fallen!

ACT/Gaga Strip still refuses to give up the hostages to fortune. ANU etc are still slaves to the Empire of The Rising Spin.


The vast minority of people are voting on Indigenous issues, don't delude yourself that your utter obsession even features on the radar of most.

It's actually quite troubling that you think this is the issue of most importance when so much more is happening around the country, unless of course, you're being dishonest again.



Smell the despair .... smell the desperation.....    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy   Now THAT, Poppets - is called Attempted Damage Control!

Damn ... (aside) .....  all those Aboriginal cunning burnoffs must be contributing to global climate change.....  imagine being of the kind that imagines state elections are based on costs of living.... when the country is being torn in pieces by policies of Exclusion and Division, creation of Apartheid, special rights being handed about as if by some Feudal right, promotion of Black Supremacism from a small minority .......

Labor going down every time  - as I predicted...

Gnads and I are former Labor men - took some hits for the Union personally ..... and now, when we can see how Labor has become the Modern Fascists instead of for the people -we've turned against them.  We are truth-seers, truth-sayers and truth tellers.... because we KNOW.

I notice you have yet to address the issues raised about this free of charge handover plan of entire towns and such... very mothra of you... bluff and bluster and assumption of your own personal superiority in intellect and morals etc .... same asylum is it?
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Reply #52 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 6:51am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27th, 2024 at 5:15pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 27th, 2024 at 4:18pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27th, 2024 at 11:47am:
Proof is in the voting .... heed the truth instead of the voices in your head.

You're not going to change my mind or the minds of the people of Australia over this pack of lies.

NT Has Fallen!

Queenslund Has Fallen!

ACT/Gaga Strip still refuses to give up the hostages to fortune. ANU etc are still slaves to the Empire of The Rising Spin.


The vast minority of people are voting on Indigenous issues, don't delude yourself that your utter obsession even features on the radar of most.

It's actually quite troubling that you think this is the issue of most importance when so much more is happening around the country, unless of course, you're being dishonest again.



Smell the despair .... smell the desperation.....    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy   Now THAT, Poppets - is called Attempted Damage Control!

Damn ... (aside) .....  all those Aboriginal cunning burnoffs must be contributing to global climate change.....  imagine being of the kind that imagines state elections are based on costs of living.... when the country is being torn in pieces by policies of Exclusion and Division, creation of Apartheid, special rights being handed about as if by some Feudal right, promotion of Black Supremacism from a small minority .......

Labor going down every time  - as I predicted...

Gnads and I are former Labor men - took some hits for the Union personally ..... and now, when we can see how Labor has become the Modern Fascists instead of for the people -we've turned against them.  We are truth-seers, truth-sayers and truth tellers.... because we KNOW.

I notice you have yet to address the issues raised about this free of charge handover plan of entire towns and such... very mothra of you... bluff and bluster and assumption of your own personal superiority in intellect and morals etc .... same asylum is it?


No election result will twist the reality surrounding The Voice, the Uluru Statement, or the Referendum to fit your narrative, no matter how hard you try to contort the facts. This recent election result hasn’t granted you license to rewrite history, yet you persist as though it does.

You've made it glaringly obvious that you’ve no intention of rethinking your position; instead, you cling to this self-made echo chamber, where definitions bend to your whim, and history warps to suit your illusions.

I suspect others have observed this same pattern and concluded that the best thing for everyone is to stop engaging with you. I see the allure, but the truth is important.

You’re the type, a lonely, bitter figure perched at a bar, seizing on anyone unfortunate enough to stand too close. People humour you out of politeness until you start rambling about conspiracy theories, tossing out the odd sexist comment to the bar staff, and casually injecting racist slurs when ranting about what you think is “wrong with the country.”

Your only true companionship lies in those grim hours spent with the pokies in a dark corner. I genuinely hope there’s someone in your life beyond this online echo chamber you're desperately trying to create for yourself, because your relentless obsession here reeks of a lifetime spent ignored and contradicted by those who’ve long since grown exhausted by your tiresome, self-serving tirades.
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Reply #53 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 1:03pm
 
Keep clinging to your party line - it's the only hope you have - remote though it is in reality.

The People Are Speaking - a wise man listens.  A Rubicon was crossed after the 'voice' votedown - and Caesar is struggling...
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Reply #54 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 1:13pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 1:03pm:
Keep clinging to your party line - it's the only hope you have - remote though it is in reality.

The People Are Speaking - a wise man listens.  A Rubicon was crossed after the 'voice' votedown - and Caesar is struggling...


Even if you can show that their vote was based on your obsessive fixation on holding down Indigenous people, it doesn't change what the Uluru Statement is, what the Voice proposal was and what we voted for in the referendum.

We vote for state representation, not some magic wizardry that resets facts to something less difficult for you to accept.
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Reply #55 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 2:30pm
 
For a bloke with a job you've sure got plenty of time to waste here.... and you're getting nowhere.  You're also wasting my time and the country's time when the time and energy could be better used resolving the issues.
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Reply #56 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 2:37pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 1:13pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 1:03pm:
Keep clinging to your party line - it's the only hope you have - remote though it is in reality.

The People Are Speaking - a wise man listens.  A Rubicon was crossed after the 'voice' votedown - and Caesar is struggling...


Even if you can show that their vote was based on (nothing here), it doesn't change what the Uluru Statement is, what the Voice proposal was and what we voted for in the referendum.

We vote for state representation, not some magic wizardry that resets facts to something less difficult for you to accept.


You are so right:-

https://www.skynews.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Document-14-1.pdf

Read it and weep.  Every unwarranted demand laid bare in their own words.

Your problem if you vote for state representation and then permit them to act like Nazis or Kommissars - We, The People demand better and on such sweeping issues we WILL be consulted and have our say in a clear vote.  Kommissars and Nazis OUT!

Drain The Billabongs..... you're none for two so far.... wait for the rest... I'll bet Ho Chi Minns is shuffling deck chairs nervously and hoping people will forget  here as well.... fat chance!!

And just look at what the ineptitude of Labor up in the NT has brought on - the cattle trains in the Night and Fog and 1500 miles away from home and family for 'Re-settlement' and 'Re-education' **....YOU and your kind did that!  Would have been better for Albo to STICK with his requirement for fulfilling KPIs on crime, substance abuse, domestic/family abuse and neglect, internecine violence etc BEFORE going ahead with this ridiculous 'voice' campaign.  He must have thought we forgot........ now Labor across Australia is paying the price for their crass stupidity and their outright lies to the people.

** Makes Sweet Home Aborassic Park look like a dream land, doesn't it? Now stop being deliberately stupid.
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Reply #57 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 3:21pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 2:37pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 1:13pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 1:03pm:
Keep clinging to your party line - it's the only hope you have - remote though it is in reality.

The People Are Speaking - a wise man listens.  A Rubicon was crossed after the 'voice' votedown - and Caesar is struggling...


Even if you can show that their vote was based on your obsessive fixation on holding down Indigenous people, it doesn't change what the Uluru Statement is, what the Voice proposal was and what we voted for in the referendum.

We vote for state representation, not some magic wizardry that resets facts to something less difficult for you to accept.


You are so right:-

https://www.skynews.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Document-14-1.pdf

Read it and weep.  Every unwarranted demand laid bare in their own words.


First, let’s clarify, The Uluru Statement from the Heart is not synonymous with "The Voice."

The Voice is merely an element of the Uluru Statement.

We've revisited this distinction countless times.

Second, what you’re referencing is not the Uluru Statement itself. The Uluru Statement from the Heart is a single-page document, as confirmed by its authors.

The additional pages you've cited, released under FOI, contain supplementary materials, including meeting minutes and background information from discussions with Indigenous communities. These documents provide context but are not part of the Uluru Statement itself.

Once again, you've resorted to misrepresenting the facts to bolster your argument, and yet again, you’ve failed spectacularly.

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Your problem if you vote for state representation and then permit them to act like Nazis or Kommissars - We, The People demand better and on such sweeping issues we WILL be consulted and have our say in a clear vote.  Kommissars and Nazis OUT!


Two points are evident here. Firstly, congratulations on a textbook invocation of Godwin's Law. Secondly, it’s curious to see someone who has previously ranted about government "dilution" of the Australian gene suddenly taking issue with Nazis.

It's interesting you will borrow from their playbook one moment then reject it the next.

Your argument is scattered and contradictory today.

Take a step back, breathe, and return when you can reply with a more composed and rational response, free from the emotional theatrics.
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Reply #58 - Oct 28th, 2024 at 4:08pm
 
Round in circles again - what part of 'spearpoint' or 'foot in the door' do you not understand?

Stop dreaming.... if you are a truly indepedent thinker, you should know better than to accept that politicians do not speak with forked tongues - as Albo clearly did over his 'one page'.

Here is a single page cover piece:-
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Here is the Final solution:-

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Reply #59 - Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:28pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 4:08pm:


Jog on Crappler, nobody believes your lies about The Voice.
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