https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nsw-to-review-child-protection-system-a...

Wow - kids in care NSW is nearing 50% Aboriginal!  Bloody racism...

Black Orchid wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 3:37pm:


Wow.  Are any of these Wankels of politicians and public servants overpaid putting their hand up yet to say - "We apologise!  We stuffed it completely... sorry.. sorry"

There'll be a National Apology Day every damned day of the year if this is allowed to keep going.... apologise to the friggin nation as a whole for what they've created.... stupid bastards ...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/culturally-safe-midwives-to-operate-in-...

Hospitals - separate rules....  sovereignty innit?  What happened to the 'secret women's business' birthing places etc?

Bit of a hodge-podge ....

25/05/2024  https://www.msn.com/en-au/travel/news/plan-for-wild-bush-luxury-to-develop-priva...

Half way down - demand for 'royalties'.

Hmmm ... NSW Labor are mumbling about a 'treaty' - planning to talk to five hundred or so 'communities' - but nobody else.....

Majority stakeholders don't get a say... come in, spinners ....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/occasional-closure-part-of-indigenous-p...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:55pm:


Did you even read this one either?

Again, not the Voice, but a popular spot that isn't designated as a tourist location by Forestry Corporation NSW, which manages the Crown Land so there are no public toilets or rubbish bins there.

With the increased popularity of the spot water quality at the river showed concerning levels of faecal matter, with human and dog excrement from the increased visitors the suspected source.

So the area is being closed off for parts of the year to give it time to rest and recover.

A common sense measure.

And again, nothing to do with an advisory body to parliament or even lawfare.

You're just taking the piss now right?

Nobody is that stupid...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:


Just another act of deceit or stupidity on your behalf...

Typical.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:


You're just doing what Master Light did.

Ignore criticisms that are guided by the facts and just repeat your lies hoping those pointing out your flaws will just give up so you can return to your echo chamber.

The truth is too important for that.

If you're just stuck on loop copy and pasting the same debunked bullshit I'll take that as your white flag.

Good game.

I'd say it was a challenge but you were lying from the start and debunking your own claims with the "evidence" you were posting, you practically defeated yourself.

All I had to do was read it.

Keep it up, I'm sure constantly repeating the same lies might at least get some people who want to believe them on your side.

But they're nothing to write home about either.

The truth always wins out.

Thanks for playing.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 8:59pm:


There is no debate.  This isn't a morning show where a scientist sits opposite Shelly from the local club talking about vaccinating children against Measles.

You are not entitled to a false equivalency where your fantasy is considered as weighted as reality.

You're factually wrong.

The Voice is one of the aims of the Uluru Statement, along with Treaty and Truth telling.

The Uluru Statement contains The Voice, not IS the Voice.

And the 26 pages you're referring to is the Referendum Council's Final Report, released in 2017 and is not the Uluru Statement or The Voice either for that matter.

These are statements of fact that you cannot wish away.

Hard truths.

As you say in your signature,

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”

What you're trying to do is say that Pizza is Cheese.

No, Pizza contains Cheese, but it isn't Cheese.

And Cheese isn't Italian food.

Italian food may contain Pizza, and Pizza may contain cheese, but not the other way around.

I can't believe we're at the point where we really need to explain it to you like you're a 5-year-old, and a dim one at that.

But let's be honest (big ask for you I know).

The reason you're trying to link all these complaints you have to The Voice, is that it was accepted that even academics could object to The Voice on perfectly legitimate grounds without being thought of as racist or bigoted.

Most academics who did object did so on the grounds that altering the Constitution was a problem and could create unforeseen legal issues in the future.  Given the little information we had, including no wording to the actual amendments, it was a perfectly valid concern.

Most of these academics did not object to the overall Uluru Statement, however.

This, as well as intellect and honesty, is where you differ from them.

Your problem with Indigenous Australians existed before the Voice, before the Uluru statement and is why you're trying to shoehorn every possible Indigenous issue into the package of "The Voice" to try and hide that reality.

Not only are you being disingenuous and dishonest about The Voice, what it was and wasn't, but you're trying to pretend your motivations are pure, which it's been obvious since before the voice was even a blip on the radar that you held hatred toward them.

You regularly used racial slurs, claimed the British should have killed them all when invading and before the whole 10% worth saving shenanigans, you suggested they should be shot on site yourself, not just chimed into someone else's claim.

You have a long history you're trying to cover up under the guise of debate over the Voice, and it's not fooling anyone.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 11:04pm:


You should know by now that unlike you, I won't make any claims I can't backup.

I'll give you overnight to thank about that and the chance to walk back your claim.

First - let's remove all the infantile nonsense and cut to the core:-

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 10:04pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 12:47pm:


Good - you're not denying it any more... so that IS the voice and its full intent ..... now then .... about the contents of the 105 pages?  Any thoughts?

The Voice is now the generic term for the coup attempt to install Aboriginal Supremacism.... everything evolves..... and everything is lumped under one title for convenience....

The Voice it is.... all the lawfare and warfare - the Mau Mau rubbish about 'keeping the fires burning' and the fires burning and the war of petty crime, the 'resistance' and refusal to abide by the laws, and even to confront authorities with weapons (and then die)  .... you know... the total demand for some sort of hegemony over anything they desire - but like children, they must be taught that sharing is the way.

Sadly, that is the current situation - teaching children to share.  Fraser Island is a perfect example..... and one excellent example of why this claimed 'spiritual connection' without any genuine 'sacred sites' and so forth somehow must be converted into total ownership... on Fraser - an excellent case for this kind of attempt at lawfare extension of rights and one where, like the Federal Court and 'native title' the courts and governments must now state clearly that having the right to shared and equal usage of that 'land' is sufficient.... and there is NO MORE to be handed out!!

SHARE Fraser Island before you lose it all.  That's my view of children who will not share.  As a Benevolent Dictator ( a lady from MI6 said I would make an excellent one) I would treat all the same as I've treated my own children - none got more or less than another..... so learn to share or just lose it entirely.

The Voice - having been intended from the outset as the avenue for all this kind of rubbish to be pushed - is now the rallying point.... not that hard to understand....

Ban The Voice NOW!!  Equal Rights For All!

Not hard, is it?  Well - for you .... maybe impossible... but then - who would trust your judgement in such matters?

The Voice.... The Voice......  The Voice ...... echoes in Sacka Kanga's head.... The Voice ....

Never been a problem - makes no difference to the fact that the original voice demand was not just a simple advisory board.... but a foot in the door for all the rest.... a 105 page crafted demand cunningly built into a pretty single page, just an advertisement, for Albo to hold up and rant about .....  now don't blow a gasket.... 61% of the people got it right the first time..... now they have to deal with treachery behind their backs....

You seem to struggle with the simple idea that people saw through the voice as being the 'front man' for all the garbage going on now..... and that therefore the continuation of the agenda set down for the voice IS the voice by stealth.

None so blind....

Keep at it - you'll work it out one day.....

Land claim over Penrith Stadium.... this gets better by the moment.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/300m-stadium-project-thrown-into-turmoi...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/plibersek-releases-reasons-why-1bn-mcphi...

"Federal Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek has found the 'irreversible' and 'permanent' loss to Aboriginal heritage outweighed the financial cost of halting a $1 billion gold mine development in the New South Wales Central West.

Ms Plibersek today released the Statement of Reasons behind her decision to protect part of the Belubula River, its headwaters and springs near Blayney, from the tailings dam earmarked for the site by Regis Resources McPhillamys gold mine.

In August, the Minister accepted an application by a coalition of Wiradyuri elders to protect the area from 'injury' or 'desecration' due to its cultural significance.

In the document, Ms Plibersek acknowledged Regis Resources' financial interests would be affected by her decision.

"I was satisfied that the proprietary and pecuniary impacts to the proponent and others do not outweigh the irreversible damage and permanent loss to the Aboriginal cultural heritage in the declared area," she wrote.

"The long-term effect on cultural heritage is permanent, and the loss of cultural heritage cannot be mitigated or reversed."

The statement noted Regis Resources argued the decision would eliminate the project's job opportunities, absolve the financial benefit to the Blayney community, and compromise other indirect benefits, such as population growth, education and training.

"I was satisfied that a partial declaration would make the proposed mine unviable in the state in which it is currently proposed and approved," the Minister found.

She also acknowledged that while the company could investigate other sites for the tailings dam, that would cost '"time and resources implications".

NSW laws not 'effective' enough
Ms Plibersek concluded the applicable NSW legislation did not provide "effective protection" over the Belubula headwaters.

The document outlined Regis Resources' position that an Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Management Plan for the site would be an "adequate tool" for protection.

But the statement found that plan would not cover "intangible heritage," and instead relate to Aboriginal objects.

The document also said the two pieces of state legislation that could render protections to the site — the National Parks and Wildlife Act and the Heritage Act — both would not apply to the approved State Significant Development.

"For these reasons, I formed the view that NSW legislation does not provide effective protection of the declared area," wrote Minister Plibersek.

The Minister found the Belubula headwaters were "sacred" to the Wiradjuri people and their Blue Banded Bee Dreaming tradition, which narrates how the springs were formed.

She noted that the coalition of elders that made the protection application — the Wiradyuri Traditional Owners Central West Aboriginal Corporation — said the Dreaming would be taught at the site for pre-initiation ceremonies.

Minister Plibersek wrote that she considered Senior Wiradyuri Elder Dinawan Dyirribang Uncle Bill Allen's testimony that the site is like a "big university for our young fellas to come to to get their learning".

The statement outlined both Regis Resources and the Orange Local Aboriginal Land Council's position that the Bee Dreaming did not exist, and challenged why the tradition was not raised in the initial protection application.

But the Minister found that the Dreaming was passed down to specific custodians, and the relevant prominent elder with that knowledge was in hospital at the time of consultation about the decision.

Regis Resources declined to comment on the Statement of Reasons, but previously said the protection order made the gold mine unviable, and it would take a decade to find another suitable location for the tailings dam.

Speaking exclusively to the ABC, elders from the Wiradyuri Traditional Owners Central West Aboriginal Corporation previously said they had been 'slandered', 'threatened and harassed' after the Minister's decision.

They said the site held great spiritual importance to their community.

Previously the Orange Local Aboriginal Land Council had opposed the mine, before changing its position to neutral following consultation with Regis.

The gold mine was given the go-ahead by the NSW independent Planning Commission in March 2023.

Minister Plibersek's decision in August sparked widespread political criticism from the Federal Opposition and NSW Premier Chris Minns. "

Sacred site... WHY is it a sacred site?  There'll be no payout or royalties now anyway.

... and what have we here.... mutual cultural respect at its finest ....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/protesters-moved-from-sydney-harbour-ahead-...

"Protests have followed the King during his visit to Australia, with crowds turning out at every stop."

Must have been a lot of fast walking there... the traditional way.... just to make a point....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 6:05am:


Not lawfare, again.

Was it your flyer drop?

Start the blog, this is getting embarrasing.

That's not what Albo had in mind when he kept repeating the lie that it was only a simple request - for a special house in Parliament, absolute rights and control over country, water and resources, separate sovereignty while continuing to enjoy every privilege of Australian citizenship, special rights to be freehold gifted land that anyone else has to save work and pay for ... the usual Apartheid things ...... but you all know the list as well as I do.....

And the people said NO - so stop persisting with the voice by stealth and apartheid by stealth.

Ooooh - Kanga is here swiping at air as usual...         now there is one terrified activist - terrified the truth will come out.... people know it already, you know - they say so all over this country in their comments on these things being pushed on them.... the only way they get a Voice, you see...  they know what you lot are up to and how you are going about it - funny how the media doesn't cover them, eh?  That Majority With No Voice - the ones excluded from the silly 'voice' proposal'.

Let's just consider it this way - if fifty people put on a show in Corowa, population 5549, and there was not huge turnout to oppose them... where did they come from again? - doesn't that show you something?

Got it in a nutshell, slick.

"The Voice was an element of the Uluru Statement, the Government's pledge was to the Uluru statement."

You really don't know what you are saying, do you?  Was it your schooling or is it a natural thing with you?

The People spoke over the first part - the underlying foundation of the platform - The People said NO!  So instead of the platform collapsing, this government went over their heads and behind their backs and used the states to push for their Apartheid - which is conveniently, for discussion, labeled the Voice By Stealth.

Not my problem is you can't see that.

Now what part of special right to claim masses of freehold land on some flimsy basis when all others must save to buy a block for a home etc, special and over-weighted privileges to offer a viewpoint on every issue and have their view upheld over all others, what demand for a private state of their own, for a 'sovereignty' that permits them to continue to use the privileges of Australian citizenship while claiming to not be subject to Australian laws etc, for the right to have anything of social and cultural and spiritual value for all to be closed off just to suit ten people who may not even be locals and most certainly not of pure breed, to have all their demands funded by the majority they are seeking to put into second class citizen position - do you find so difficult to understand is both Apartheid and Aboriginal Supremacism?

Let's see what ranting and raving you come back with on that, Leftie?

Footnote:-  I suppose you support the 'right' of schools and delusional doctors to determine whether or not kids should be drugged and cut up over the rights of parents and without full consideration of all factors and issues, and you also support 'Palestine' against 'Israeli Invasion'?

BTW:- I pop in from gardening and other things and taking the Eld Gel to all day doctor runs etc.... it hardly takes a gesture to put foolish ideologues steeped in utter nonsense in their place here.... just look back at all your bitchy assumptions and slurs there in the last few posts, slick... you would be infantile no matter how old your body is, just like the meaningless comment mothra and the bluff stupid Smith.      

https://www.skynews.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Document-14-1.pdf

Pages 101-104 directly address the 'voice' proposal  ........  oops....

       

Of course, did-ums, the vote was 'only' about that component of the Uluru Statement to which the government had committed itself as the over-arching document for action.... course it was... that's the way Albo tried to sell it and that's a large part of why it went down... in other words - he lied and you are lying.

As the basis of the entire venture - the first step as you so readily admit - it failed - and therefore the entire edifice cannot stand.  I now dare you and Albo and all these treacherous states to put all their fancy ideas to the people for proper resolution...terrified to do that, aren't you all ... because you know the answers already, as does everyone out here.

If Albo wasn't directly lying - he is one of the world's greatest fantasists and need psychiatric help... one way or another.

The People Have Spoken!  Heed Their Word!

           So easy... point after point..

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2024 at 11:44am:


Well - you're the one who keeps repeating 'the party line' and having to be corrected... you are clearly at fault for any repetition.  At the same time you simply refuse to engage in any meaningful way with the realities placed into the discussion......  yet another reason why nobody bothers to extend the time and brain power trying to engage with you.

You're too easy for most to bother with - so I try to help you through your confusion.  I'm a generous soul.

         

Proof is in the voting .... heed the truth instead of the voices in your head.

You're not going to change my mind or the minds of the people of Australia over this pack of lies.

NT Has Fallen!

Queenslund Has Fallen!

ACT/Gaga Strip still refuses to give up the hostages to fortune. ANU etc are still slaves to the Empire of The Rising Spin.

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 27^th, 2024 at 4:18pm:



Smell the despair .... smell the desperation.....       Now THAT, Poppets - is called Attempted Damage Control!

Damn ... (aside) .....  all those Aboriginal cunning burnoffs must be contributing to global climate change.....  imagine being of the kind that imagines state elections are based on costs of living.... when the country is being torn in pieces by policies of Exclusion and Division, creation of Apartheid, special rights being handed about as if by some Feudal right, promotion of Black Supremacism from a small minority .......

Labor going down every time  - as I predicted...

Gnads and I are former Labor men - took some hits for the Union personally ..... and now, when we can see how Labor has become the Modern Fascists instead of for the people -we've turned against them.  We are truth-seers, truth-sayers and truth tellers.... because we KNOW.

I notice you have yet to address the issues raised about this free of charge handover plan of entire towns and such... very mothra of you... bluff and bluster and assumption of your own personal superiority in intellect and morals etc .... same asylum is it?

Keep clinging to your party line - it's the only hope you have - remote though it is in reality.

The People Are Speaking - a wise man listens.  A Rubicon was crossed after the 'voice' votedown - and Caesar is struggling...

For a bloke with a job you've sure got plenty of time to waste here.... and you're getting nowhere.  You're also wasting my time and the country's time when the time and energy could be better used resolving the issues.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28^th, 2024 at 2:37pm:


First, let’s clarify, The Uluru Statement from the Heart is not synonymous with "The Voice."

The Voice is merely an element of the Uluru Statement.

We've revisited this distinction countless times.

Second, what you’re referencing is not the Uluru Statement itself. The Uluru Statement from the Heart is a single-page document, as confirmed by its authors.

The additional pages you've cited, released under FOI, contain supplementary materials, including meeting minutes and background information from discussions with Indigenous communities. These documents provide context but are not part of the Uluru Statement itself.

Once again, you've resorted to misrepresenting the facts to bolster your argument, and yet again, you’ve failed spectacularly.

Quote:


Two points are evident here. Firstly, congratulations on a textbook invocation of Godwin's Law. Secondly, it’s curious to see someone who has previously ranted about government "dilution" of the Australian gene suddenly taking issue with Nazis.

It's interesting you will borrow from their playbook one moment then reject it the next.

Your argument is scattered and contradictory today.

Take a step back, breathe, and return when you can reply with a more composed and rational response, free from the emotional theatrics.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28^th, 2024 at 4:08pm:


Jog on Crappler, nobody believes your lies about The Voice.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:52pm:


First - let's remove all the infantile nonsense and cut to the core:

Whoops, nothing left.

Swing and a miss Crappler, keep on running.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 4:17pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28^th, 2024 at 4:08pm:

Tick tock, your views will expire soon

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 8:06am:


I find that hard to believe, given the crossover between your views and theirs, especially your paranoia around Aboriginal Supremacism...

But if you say so...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 6^th, 2024 at 12:24pm:


Nothing about you is hard to understand.

Your attempt to paint yourself as some valiant crusader for equal rights falls flat when we focus on all the times you've advocated for segregating, murdering or full-blown genocide of Indigenous people, but I guess we should just ignore those multiple instances yeah?

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/aboriginal-organisations-call-for-urgen...

"Five years after a damning report on the failings of the New South Wales child protection system recommended sweeping changes to prevent harm and trauma to vulnerable Indigenous children and families, an independent review has found that only 12 of its 126 recommendations have been fully implemented by the Minns government.

Aboriginal organisations across NSW are calling for urgent and meaningful reforms to the child protection system, urging that leadership of these vital changes be transferred from government control to the hands of Aboriginal communities.

The review, undertaken by the state’s Aboriginal child, family and community peak organisation AbSec, the Aboriginal Legal Service, UTS Jumbunna Institute for Indigenous Education and the Justice and Equity Centre found that Aboriginal children are almost 12 times more likely to be placed in out-of-home care than their non-Aboriginal peers, an increase from 9.5 times in 2017-18.

The organisations are calling for NSW to appoint an independent child protection commission and a commissioner for Aboriginal children and young people to hold the government to account.

“We envision a future where our communities are empowered to keep our children safe and cared for – where they grow up connected to their cultures, on Country, and surrounded by love and support,” John Leha, the CEO of AbSec, said.

“This is our call to action for true self-determination, accountability, and meaningful partnership – because the wellbeing of our children is at stake,” Leha said.

Karly Warner, the CEO of the Aboriginal Legal Service (NSW/ACT), said the government had five years to take action but had failed to do so.

“Five years is an eternity in the life of a child. The past five years presented countless opportunities to take decisive action and protect Aboriginal children from the trauma and lifelong harm of being torn away from their families, but the NSW government has willingly let another generation fall victim to bureaucratic inertia,” Warner said.

Dr Paul Gray from UTS Jumbunna Institute said urgent action was needed.

“Business as usual, or small tweaks at the margins, will not deliver the transformative change that children and families need,” he said.

The NSW families minister, Kate Washington, was approached for comment.

The 2019 Family is Culture report was a three-year study of the case files of 1,144 Aboriginal children who entered the NSW out-of-home care system between 2015 and 2016.

The review found children who did not appear to be at risk of harm were removed from their families, the children’s court was misinformed about vitally important information, and in some cases “the location of young people under the care and protection of the minister was unknown”.

The review, led by the University of NSW law professor Megan Davis, said the system lacked transparency, had no effective regulator and its reforms were regularly devised and implemented with little or no genuine consultation with the Aboriginal community.

Davis found “widespread noncompliance” with law and policy by caseworkers and managers, many of whom routinely ignored the requirement to consult regularly with Aboriginal families and communities, and routinely chose removal over other, less intrusive, options.

Disturbingly, in almost a quarter of cases, Aboriginal babies were taken at birth or from the hospital soon after, and almost a fifth were in the system before they were six months old."