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Reply #60 - Jun 15th, 2024 at 7:39pm
 
Bit slow on the news line tonight - the good stuff always comes out after midnight.... might have to switch on Sky News to see what's going on... now how do I find that channel again?

Have to wonder why some bother to come here at all - they never offer anything for discussion... always spend their time just slagging others like true trolls.... and try desperately to run interference if someone so much as assembles all the relevant data and links in one place.... at which point they become desperately frightened if it happens to be one of their 'favourite' stalking horses for their hate on modern Australia.  Clearly the  feel under attack for some reason.... something to hide.

Gee - if the flak is so thick here over assembling links to Aboriginal attempts to get hold of things through use of laws and regulations and 'interpretations' about whale singing and such, and all through sycophantic and arse-kissing bureaucracies outside the electoral chain - following the demise of the ill-fated voyage of the voice - imagine how it will be when we get to serious discussion of trannies and poofs and the lies about 'wage gaps' and all the other white ant madness eating away at the West by decree of the 'government' in place AND the 'government' in waiting AND their back pocket owned 'public service'.... all of whom, of course, simply want to be the ultimate autocrats in a Neo-Feudal Order ... the Gauleiters, Reichleiters, and such of the New Austroreich.  To achieve that last end they will stop at nothing and will support anything that reduces the citizenry under despotism and direct imposition by decree.

This grasping at emotionally driven issues and throwing blame around is a clear hallmark of failed government here -  the type of failed government that wants to create a New Order to suit themselves and their mates first and foremost and eventually only.

These useless tools running interference for this madness here, and elsewhere, are clearly in their pay or are just plain thick.

Imagine someone whining at and playing games at someone who is merely assembling the data.... that is its own kind of madness.... and BTW... I have no obligation to justify my position to anyone, champs.    Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin
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Reply #61 - Jun 15th, 2024 at 10:04pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 15th, 2024 at 6:53pm:
Still trying


Yes, I am.

Still trying to get you to show a link between the news article you posted as evidence of the claim you made, other than debunking it.

But as usual, you're running scared, trying to turn the tables.

It won't work, you're not fooling anybody.

Not even yourself.
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Reply #62 - Jun 15th, 2024 at 10:12pm
 
Still nothing to add to any discussion but distraction, eh?  that's your stock in trade - you don't discuss any of the contents of the links I put up - you attack the concept of their being put in a list and attack the messenger .... clearly it is you running scared .... let's just say you don't want people to actually catch on to the wide spread and serious nature of the death of a thousand cuts that makes up the voice by stealth.

You have motivated me to continue the good work towards genuine reconciliation and true equality for all citizens....
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Reply #63 - Jun 15th, 2024 at 10:15pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 15th, 2024 at 10:12pm:
Still nothing to add to any discussion but distraction, eh? 


Let's break it down.

You posted the following story,

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 1:31pm:


Then followed up with the claim,

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 8:29pm:
Misuse of funding and refusal to simply return unspent when caught out is just one of the signs of Entitlement™ that drives Lawfare.... and demonstrates that these 'bodies' set up in a discriminatory way for discriminatory purposes, feel they are above the law.


The problem is, the story didn't mention anything about misused funds or a refusal to return what was unspent.

Your justification of "entitlement" simply didn't happen, at all.  And the idea that Entitlement drives "lawfare", therefore The Voice by stealth is a crock of s
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The story, which clearly you still haven't read, states that the governments are seeking to recoup nearly $2.7 million in unspent funds from the North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency (NAAJA) because these funds, initially allocated for specific legal aid purposes, were not utilised within the designated timeframe.

This situation is part of broader efforts to ensure that allocated funds, especially those aimed at essential services like legal aid, are used effectively and as intended.

That's it.

Entirely normal behaviour.  A project was budgeted $X of tax payer funds, they didn't spend it, it goes back into the coffers.

If anything you should be praising the story as it's taking money out of the system to assist Indigenous Australians.

But instead, everything you've gleaned from that you've made up.

There is no evidence to support it from the very link you posted.

And you're too much of a coward to just own your mistake, deliberate or otherwise.

Again, you're not fooling anyone.

You're just posting links to stories that have a vague link to Indigenous Australians, not understanding what the story is saying if you even read it, then just making up whatever you want, hoping nobody will bother to read what you've posted, as if you've won some prize.

Busted.
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Reply #64 - Jun 15th, 2024 at 10:18pm
 
Don't you ever wonder, if these are the sorts of tactics you have to use to find "evidence" to justify your views, that is, to entirely fabricate evidence and draw wildly inaccurate conclusions from content you've not even read, again to justify your views, that perhaps you're wrong?

It really should require so much dishonestly and disingenuousness to validate your opinions.

Like this isn't for us reading, this is more for you, but surely it must sting knowing that the lightest of scrutiny, namely reading the links you posted, then the conclusions you've used them to justify, is all it takes to disprove them?

Do you ever tire of the humiliation?
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Reply #65 - Jun 15th, 2024 at 10:58pm
 
No effort to find anything - it's right there in the news.  On most of the links I don't even comment... yet off you go with your wild imagination, Don Quixote... wildly accusing me of making things up when they are right there in mainstream....

No need to put anything together to come across the voice by stealth - which is the primary underlying wrong going on since the voice defeat - virtually from the day of the death of the voice, the same party state governments declared they would be going ahead despite the ruling of the voters.

Put in Australian terms - Voice was sent off and refused to go and his team members united with him against the referee's decision and clear instruction to leave the field ...........

Now where do you imagine that would lead in an NRL match?  Why should it not lead to the same outcome over the voted down voice?

Something wrong with you, boy?  Something wrong with your head?  Do you really hate Australia, Australians and their democratic rights so much?  Then pack your bags - go - be one with nature at Aborassic Park/Abestine amongst your pals.  Join them in their Homeland where they can enjoy their pre-1788 Nirvana.
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Reply #66 - Jun 15th, 2024 at 11:20pm
 
Now I'm busy - been catching up on the case of the missing F/A-18 pilot I've been telling yez about for years ... the one who went down when no Allied aircraft were lost, you dig?  And yet I saw his boots coming down via a SAR camera set up to watch the sky... and his family have been chasing the true story for years now.. and the Pentagon has admitted he is most likely POW somehow, somewhere at this time, though could be KIA/BNF.

Anyway - keep arguing - I have lots of things on the boil.... now about that Voice Insurrection..... any thoughts on state governments taking up the mantle after the same party fedguv was defeated over a constitutional issue?  Not casus belli civitatus, ya reckon?  Not a vile abrogation of the trust of the Australian public in their 'democratic' system?

Something wrong with some of you out there?  You got some kind of Hamas Fever or something?  Or do you just hate everything Australian or maybe just love a fruitless argument to try to irritate genuine people?

It's not working for you.... the doors of Gondwanamo Bay are yawning wider every day ...
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Reply #67 - Jun 15th, 2024 at 11:34pm
 
So you can't justify your claims, so you were simply lying and making things up?

And what, you're just going to try and gaslight your way out of it?

Pathetic.
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Reply #68 - Jun 15th, 2024 at 11:52pm
 
Nothing said justifies your wild claims there.... you're just stretching looking for a fingerhold....

Get a grip, lad.  You've been spending too much time on those video games and social media.... both the Guv and the Opposition want to curtail those for the immature...
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Reply #69 - Jun 16th, 2024 at 6:37am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 15th, 2024 at 11:52pm:
Nothing said justifies your wild claims there.... you're just stretching looking for a fingerhold....

Get a grip, lad.  You've been spending too much time on those video games and social media.... both the Guv and the Opposition want to curtail those for the immature...


You made bullshit claims that are disproved by your own link you apparently got the claims from.

No deflections to video games or social media will change that.

You're still running scared.

I suspect someone doing the same thing to your other posts, as in checking the stories you post to make sure they match the claims you make, let alone that it's some sort of evidence of the voice by stealth will show the same thing.

You lie and run from the truth a lot some someone who is apparently a truth teller.

Is that meant to be an ironic name, like a big guy called Tiny?
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Reply #70 - Jun 16th, 2024 at 11:24am
 
NT Lawfare

Starting from the first posts - some have gone missing.  Lot of 'lefty' links there already, but don't let that deter any of you village idiots.


Reply #1 - Apr 09th 2024
ABC News (AU)
Humane treatment of youth at Unit 18 not possible, inquest into Cleveland Dodd's death hears

A coronial inquest into WA's first recorded death in youth custody has heard it's not possible to treat detainees lawfully and humanely at the notorious maximum security wing he was being kept in.
WARNING: This story discusses incidents of self-harm and contains the name and image of an Indigenous person who has died.
Cleveland Dodd was 16 when he died in October 2023 after self-harming in his cell at Unit 18 — a section of the adult Casuarina Prison.
Coroner Philip Urquhart on Tuesday questioned youth custodial officer Nina Hayden about whether the Department of Justice policy of "ensuring young people are treated lawfully, humanely, fairly and equally" at Unit 18 was achievable.
Ms Hayden said it was not.
The inquest has previously heard from another officer, Daniel Torrijos, who said he believed the cells at Unit 18 were "unliveable" due to damage from detainees.


Reply #2 - Apr 15th 2024
Dailymotion·
Community leaders at Harsts Bluff meet to sign new agreement with government
As the youth curfew continues in Alice Springs ... remote Aboriginal communities outside the town say they are a key part of the solution. Community leaders at Harsts Bluff, about 200 kilo-metres west of Alice Springs, concede many of the kids behind the town's youth crime problems belong to remote communities. They met last week to sign a new agreement with the territory and federal governments

Reply #4 - Apr 16th 2024
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Government praises Alice Springs curfew for reducing crime

The Alice Springs curfew is set to be lifted at 6am on Tuesday morning. The Government is praising the curfew as having helped stopped spiralling crime in the town, but with an election just around the corner the timing is being questioned.

Apr 19th 2024
ABC News
Violence epidemic of First Nations women and children in the spotlight of Senate inquiry held in Darwin

More than 300 First Nations women are either missing or were killed under suspicious circumstances between 2000 and 2022. The harrowing number was revealed by an ABC Four Corners investigation that is now the subject of a senate inquiry held in Darwin.

Apr 29th 2024
Sky News (jayzuz - it's a miracle!!)...
‘Where is the money being spent?’: Jacinta Price calling for answers into Alice Springs funding.

Shadow Indigenous Australians Minister Jacinta Price is calling for answers into the millions of dollars of funding which was to be used to tackle youth crime in Alice Springs.
“There’s been calls from our mayor, from locals, from people on the ground for an understanding and an audit into the millions of dollars that have been spent here already,” Ms Price told Sky News Australia.
“15 months ago, the Prime Minister was shamed into visiting Alice Springs, making an announcement of $250 million.
“But what did the $250 million– now $300 million do in order to stop the riot that took place on our streets?
“This is what we need to understand – where is the money being spent?”

Australia has ‘got to fix’ underlying youth crime issues in Alice Springs

Alice Springs business owner Darren Clark says Australia has “really got to get into” the underlying issues around youth crime in Alice Springs and “get them fixed.
Mr Clark said it’s “going to take a long time” but the youth of Alice Springs “deserve a shot at life”.
“It’s going to take a long time, but we’ve got to give these young kids a chance – that’s all we can ask for.
“The people of Alice Springs are willing to work with whoever they have to work with to actually change the lives to the betterment of the town and the northern territory.
“Someone’s got to rip the bandaid off, have a look at the underlying problems … and how we can change it.
“If you don’t look at that and you’re not open and honest about it, nothing will ever change.”
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Reply #71 - Jun 16th, 2024 at 11:28am
 
You really need to stop wasting everyone's time, Sacka - you are full of bullshit.  Try reading what's in front of you instead of reading in as you see fit.

I've got plenty more - just started..... and you know - one hell of a lot of it is very much on the Abo side.... but you're such an idiot you wouldn't want to see that.  You're down, sonny.  Such a shame to see you wasting your life like this when there are real issues out there that need fixing.

You're just plain stupid, aren't you?  I intend to fully form these lists for all States so people can easily get an overall picture without having to dig and dig.  I think that's very kind and balanced of me - so f
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Let's see - tomorrow's Monday - we should hear more whinging from the demented mothra about how horrible I am to the Abos and how I'm one of those stuck on Sky news.... talk about assholes who don't ever read what's in front of them but just come here to troll.  How about Smith?  We need a little abuse and insult and nothing else?  What about some Laughing Boy with his drug dementia?

If you village idiots are the best the left can offer - you have zero chance ever.
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Reply #72 - Jun 17th, 2024 at 8:09am
 
I'm not trying to win an argument with you, I'm just trying to understand what you're doing.

You started the "lawfare" threads to show examples of the law being used to bypass the result of the referendum to implement the voice by stealth, correct?

But then you post news stories that have nothing at all to do with that.  Those you leave without comment are one thing, but those you comment on with conclusions you've reached that are not supported, or even debunked by the story you've posted, I don't understand what you're trying to achieve.

It's hurting your case.

Or are you just trying to have big threads, with lots of posts, as if that's an indication what you're saying is true despite the actual content posted?

Someone else used to do that around here, until they threw the largest tantrum I've seen not done by a child and left the forum.

So I'm trying to understand what your aim is with these threads.

Can we start by defining terms?

What do you mean by "lawfare"?

What do you mean by "the voice by stealth"?

Surely you're capable of answering these two simple questions without obfuscating or gaslighting?
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Reply #73 - Jun 17th, 2024 at 1:17pm
 
Cop another lungful then - perhaps you could explain to the entire room how this is 'unbalanced' and how it all somehow comes from 'Sky News' - you know - in between racing that rat between your ears, champ - so far the ABC reports have outdone the paltry 2-3 Sky by a country margin, champ - and yet off you dorks go.  Point is - you can't win an argument, champ - you have none, champ:-

"ABC News (AU)·
PM Anthony Albanese visits Alice Springs for first time since youth curfew
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has touched down in Alice Springs just weeks after a youth curfew propelled the Northern Territory town into the spotlight. But much like his last visit in 2023 which came amid mounting pressure to address anti-social behaviour and crime, locals want to see exactly what the federal government will do to help the embattled community get back on its feet.

Sky News (AGAIN- that's twice!!!  It's out of control!!)
NT independent MP raises questions over funding for Alice Springs
Alice Springs has been subjected to a “deterioration in everything in this town” over the last six or seven years, says Northern Territory Independent MP Robyn Lambley.
Her comments come as the state continues to experience a youth crime crisis, and questions are now being raised over the Albanese government’s funding, which was allocated to tackle the issue.



ABC News (AU)
Tangentyere Council facing backlash over CEO's absence in community matters
An Aboriginal-controlled organisation paid tens of millions of dollars in government grants each year to help improve social issues in Alice Springs has come under fire for declining meetings, allegedly failing to deliver services adequately, and allowing a convicted domestic violence offender to sit on its board.
Tangentyere Council Aboriginal Corporation is one of Australia's largest Aboriginal-controlled organisations and is funded to provide housing, safety and youth services for Aboriginal people in Alice Springs.
In the past financial year, it collected more than $30 million in government grants and contracts including for servicing 16 town camps dotted across Alice Springs' fringes, a women's safety group and family violence prevention programs.
But as another bout of social unrest tarnishes Alice Springs, the council's chief executive — Walter Shaw — has remained silent and has declined to meet with local government and other stakeholders.
The organisation, which employs about 300 people, hasn't released an annual report since 2018.
Mr Shaw has declined multiple requests for comment by the ABC.
Mayor calls for greater collaboration
Alice Springs mayor Matt Paterson said the town council had been trying, without success, to meet with Tangentyere's chief executive for the past decade.
Last year, the town council took the extreme step of calling on the NT government to broker a meeting between the two organisations.
The NT government said it was unable to assist.
"As a council, we represent everyone in Alice Springs and we want to sit down with major stakeholders to reach suitable outcomes," Mr Paterson said.
"It's about sitting at the table and sharing similar views and advocating for similar things."


ABC News (AU)
Zachary Rolfe forced to hand over notes used in evidence during Kumanjayi Walker coronial inquest. 
(Grappleditorial – as a police officer he would hand over notes at a REQUEST from a court of any kind – no 'force' needed) – his legal team argued that these were part of any prospective defence and therefore should be confidential.  That is a different matter and the court officer could have seen or heard these notes in private.)
Former constable Zachary Rolfe has been ordered by the Northern Territory coroner to hand over a series of notes which include references to racism and sexism within the NT Police Force.
Warning: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander readers are advised that this article contains the name and image of an Indigenous person who has died, used with the permission of their family.
Mr Rolfe gave evidence over several days in February at the coronial inquest into the death of Kumanjayi Walker, who Mr Rolfe fatally shot during a failed arrest attempt in the remote community of Yuendumu in 2019.
Mr Rolfe has been acquitted of all charges following the incident.
During his evidence at the inquest on February 26, Mr Rolfe made a number of explosive claims about an ingrained culture of racism within the force — claims which ultimately prompted an internal investigation by NT police.
At times during his evidence, including when being asked about the use of racist language by him and fellow officers, Mr Rolfe referred to a three-page set of notes he had inside the witness box.
Three days into his evidence, Counsel Assisting the Coroner Peggy Dwyer called for the notes to be produced to the court."
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Reply #74 - Jun 17th, 2024 at 1:34pm
 
Even an idiot knows what 'lawfare' is, champ - and if you can't see the voice by stealth being pushed by states of the same political colour after a national vote against of 61-39 you clearly do not wish to see - and you are part of the problem for all sides of the questions raised.

You may explain why you disagree with any of my conclusions, champ - that's as far as your rights go without your infantile gaslighting and silly childish put-downs, champ.  You sailed in here, champ, all full of vim and vigor, spraying about and name-calling without offering one single discussion point - now you think you can demand that others play by your demands when you have never played by the rules yourself...... champ ......

So, slick - I'll offer you my standard response - you turn around, go back through that door, and come back, knock and start all over again, champ.

Now then - about that Homeland concept... the Two States Solution .... Gondwanamo Bay in the middle of it all for the true recalcitrants ... these are very real offers - a simple one page generous offer of settlement to suit the demands of Blactivists .... we'll give you the Homeland and Separate State that you demand where you can 'do things your way' without us - you leave us alone and go your own way without us - and US includes those who wish to be an active and positive part of this country and not just be some perpetual fifth column.

You see - champ - it's all about giving THEM, the Blactivists, a choice - be on the team or get off.... go - be one with your wonderful chosen lifestyle where 76 out of 81 murdered women are in your communities - simple really 96% of the population will not be abiding by the demands put forward by you - maybe 5% of 4% - OR by the demands put forward by you that are pushed behind everyone's backs by faceless public servants.  When you understand NO get back to me, slick.

Let me know when those who challenge a 'decision' made by a faceless public service body behind the people's backs and despite their clearly stated NO position, are funded to the same extent by government as the public service case is.  Just one aspect of lawfare, slick.... and aspect that gives one side a totally unfair benefit ..... at the expense of the other side as well as the people and as part of the people .... and without our consent.

I wouldn't expect your kind to even want to see reality.  It's the modern thing, you know.  Go check your gender today, slick... it might have changed or something.... reality story!!   Shocked
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