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Reply #180 - May 27th, 2024 at 9:18pm
 
The two of them are naughty boys. Grapps is also.
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Reply #181 - May 27th, 2024 at 9:35pm
 
chimera wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:01pm:
Grappler seems to argue that when a judge is asked to decide facts, he's forbidden to embarrass (behead) people. This suggests Grapps is a Karen, poor man.


In a civil case of defamation he cannot judge on a criminal allegation - he may only determine whether or not defamation has occurred... from what I read, Wilkinson had a couple of defences - she didn't initially name him, and her blurb was granted editorial approval ... befehlen ist befehlen, no?

Bruce's case against her was that it was clear who was under discussion even though he was not named until after the story broke in mainstream media and names were bandied about like bids in an Abo discussion about past genocides and massacres against them or a feminist talkfest about how they were soooo oppressed by men etc......

All that judge had to do - and was entitled to do - was say that Bruce's case did not meet the standard for defamation - again - the judge had no right to comment on Bruce's guilt or innocence in the allegation of rape, since that was the province of another court - which abandoned that case, and rightly so given the lack of supported evidence.

God, some of you are easily confused by propagandists - even those of you who claim to be lawyers... in short, you must not buy into the idea that any individual can be made guilty simply because someone says they are.

There was a case many years ago where a man spent twelve years behind bars for a murder on the basis of what one of his camp mates - a woman who loved a drink - said when she was drunk - when she would start in on him saying that 'she knew he'd killed that bloke' ... when in fact he had been nowhere near the town where that occurred.  It was just the drink speaking.... and when she repeated this to police who ignored all exculpatory evidence - it cost him twelve years of his life, the ruination of his mental health as a result, and the State of NSW something in the order of a million pounds or equivalent in today's money for the trials and compensation .... he still died too young in a boarding house in Sydney with shattered mental health....

You cannot - as a member of a civilisation governed by OUR law - and a judge or magistrate must not by our law -  judge anyone on anything but the provable and proven facts.... a judge or magistrate must not express a personal opinion on guilt or innocence in a case not under his/her immediate jurisdiction, especially in a civil matter ...  and even the idea that two persons of standing in the community saying the exact same thing was ... a lie.... something I installed in the NSW courts in 1984 by cross-examining three police officers who told the same story to a word.  NO two witnesses ever see exactly the same thing.... that is a fundamental part of police training....

This is not remotely comparable with the Roberts-Smith thing where there were at least a number of independent witnesses offering different viewpoints.... and even then not one of those said he was actually present at the time of commission of any alleged crime by the complainant in that civil matter .... Tercius.... it's always some guy heard it from some guy who knew some guy ... or it's always he went around the corner and I heard shots.... later on the locals complained of a body..... who, in that climate, could as easily have been killed by a hostile tribal member or the Taliban on suspicion of being a 'traitor'... or it's a John Smith here who says he reckons he done it but wasn't even close at the time ...

Of course BR-S must be guilty - he upset a schoolboy by roasting him for not bringing necessary equipment to keep his light machine gun in action during a fire fight... similar to young Hastie, the fearless SAS Captain - who was shattered and quit after discovering that in order to ID a probable high value target, one of the troops he was controlling from the C&C bird high above, had removed the guy's hand for fingerprints.  Many years ago as well I warned the SAS about recruiting standards.... especially the practice of recruiting of exceptional people straight from basic..... the British do not go near that for their regular Regiment...
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Reply #182 - May 28th, 2024 at 4:59am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:35pm:
This is not remotely comparable with the Roberts-Smith thing where there were at least a number of independent witnesses offering different viewpoints...

A barrister like you would know that 'fact' is different from 'procedure'.
'Justice Besanko found the publisher had proven allegations Mr Roberts-Smith was involved in four murders during deployment were substantially true to the civil standard, along with an allegation of bullying.'
'The defence of justification was previously known as the defence of truth. The defence states that if a defendant can prove that the defamatory imputations of which the plaintiff complains are substantially true, then the defence of justification is made out.'
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Reply #183 - May 28th, 2024 at 8:49am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 8:06pm:
Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:34pm:
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Just what kind of a man are you - to be screeching in the streets for the hanging of innocent men on accusation like some hysterical wound-up Fascist Stalinist dupe product of the modern 'education' system?


Except it was not mere 'accusation.'  There was a whole lot more which you keep ignoring because it just does not suit your flambouyant yet tortured rhetoric.

This Lehrmann matter is not an appropriate vehicle for you to use in your Quixotic campaign against female windmills.


NOT 'mere' accusation'?  Pray tell then - what is this 'whole lot more'?

I'm sure the room here is waiting with bated breath.... in the comments on one thing put out about costs to El Bruce - many commented on this ..... Quixotic lunge by that 'judge' and the lack of hard evidence ...

What is this WHOLE LOT MORE?

Footnote:-  If this is indeed 'quixotic' on my part ........... why do you refer to them as female windmills?  We argue not with principalities of men and women here - but with principalities of good and evil.... do try to follow - MOST women do not receive any benefit from all this power enhancement thrown their way - they get to slave away at work and in the home, and most end up with not that much UNLESS they are in a fixed and steady relationship for a lifetime or near...... even with all the pitfalls of that....

They're not all get-rich quick' monsters like yond feminists etc... with their incredible sense of entitlement..... but due to their own following blindly along the same paths in life - they end up in the dead ends while the get-rich-quickers end up in clover - which is, of course, the aim of the GRQs all along...



Read the Judgement and you will see it all set out beautifully.

Why did I describe the windmills you tilt at as female?  Because you have that forest on your shoulders.  A woman is a liar from the get go is where you start.
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Reply #184 - May 28th, 2024 at 9:19am
 
Dear oh bloody dear!!!!! 


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In a civil case of defamation he cannot judge on a criminal allegation - he may only determine whether or not defamation has occurred... from what I read, Wilkinson had a couple of defences - she didn't initially name him, and her blurb was granted editorial approval.


The Judge found that the programme did indeed identify Lehrmann, and thus...enter Step 2, given Lehrmann got past that Step, 1.


Grappler, Google 'truth defence' to defamation.

Both Ch 10 and Wilkinson raised it and integral to deciding whether it was successfully raised is a decision on whether um, er, ah, um,..............guess what.....whether he raped her!
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Reply #185 - May 28th, 2024 at 2:39pm
 
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Reply #186 - Jun 1st, 2024 at 8:12pm
 
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/bruce-lehrmann-to-appeal-after-failed-d...

He's appealing... wonder what the appeal will say about that 'judge's' comment?

Heeeey - Brittanny married Sharaz ... is there a sweep on how long it will last?  She does like porkers with piggy eyes and questionable morals.....
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Reply #187 - Jun 1st, 2024 at 8:14pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 9:19am:
Dear oh bloody dear!!!!! 


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In a civil case of defamation he cannot judge on a criminal allegation - he may only determine whether or not defamation has occurred... from what I read, Wilkinson had a couple of defences - she didn't initially name him, and her blurb was granted editorial approval.


The Judge found that the programme did indeed identify Lehrmann, and thus...enter Step 2, given Lehrmann got past that Step, 1.


Grappler, Google 'truth defence' to defamation.

Both Ch 10 and Wilkinson raised it and integral to deciding whether it was successfully raised is a decision on whether um, er, ah, um,..............guess what.....whether he raped her!


That 'truth' had no proof of life.... it was never proven .....  I'll wait on the appeal that I predicted would happen  after that comment.
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Reply #188 - Jun 1st, 2024 at 8:32pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 1st, 2024 at 8:12pm:
Heeeey - Brittanny married Sharaz ... is there a sweep on how long it will last?  She does like porkers with piggy eyes and questionable morals.....


After what Bruce did to Brittany, I wonder if David can make Brittany feel anything.

Emotionally, I mean.
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Reply #189 - Jun 2nd, 2024 at 7:59am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 1st, 2024 at 8:12pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/bruce-lehrmann-to-appeal-after-failed-d...

He's appealing... wonder what the appeal will say about that 'judge's' comment?

Heeeey - Brittanny married Sharaz ... is there a sweep on how long it will last?  She does like porkers with piggy eyes and questionable morals.....


$30,000 for the bloody wedding dress???

Just a small private affair  Grin.... 2 page spread in the Sunday Mail.... what a waste of paper.

All on the taxpayers dime($2.4 million payout)because she'll never work again... she hasn't stopped working since the incident.

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Reply #190 - Jun 2nd, 2024 at 12:04pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 1st, 2024 at 8:14pm:
Aussie wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 9:19am:
Dear oh bloody dear!!!!! 


Quote:
In a civil case of defamation he cannot judge on a criminal allegation - he may only determine whether or not defamation has occurred... from what I read, Wilkinson had a couple of defences - she didn't initially name him, and her blurb was granted editorial approval.


The Judge found that the programme did indeed identify Lehrmann, and thus...enter Step 2, given Lehrmann got past that Step, 1.


Grappler, Google 'truth defence' to defamation.

Both Ch 10 and Wilkinson raised it and integral to deciding whether it was successfully raised is a decision on whether um, er, ah, um,..............guess what.....whether he raped her!


That 'truth' had no proof of life.... it was never proven .....  I'll wait on the appeal that I predicted would happen  after that comment.


Wanna predict the outcome of the appeal we all knew would happen?

It will fail miserably.
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Reply #191 - Jun 2nd, 2024 at 2:13pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 2nd, 2024 at 12:04pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 1st, 2024 at 8:14pm:
Aussie wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 9:19am:
Dear oh bloody dear!!!!! 


Quote:
In a civil case of defamation he cannot judge on a criminal allegation - he may only determine whether or not defamation has occurred... from what I read, Wilkinson had a couple of defences - she didn't initially name him, and her blurb was granted editorial approval.


The Judge found that the programme did indeed identify Lehrmann, and thus...enter Step 2, given Lehrmann got past that Step, 1.


Grappler, Google 'truth defence' to defamation.

Both Ch 10 and Wilkinson raised it and integral to deciding whether it was successfully raised is a decision on whether um, er, ah, um,..............guess what.....whether he raped her!


That 'truth' had no proof of life.... it was never proven .....  I'll wait on the appeal that I predicted would happen  after that comment.


Wanna predict the outcome of the appeal we all knew would happen?

It will fail miserably.


Not if the judge is dispassionate and rules strictly according to Law, in which case he should lay down that no conclusion was evident and thus no conviction by any standard could apply.  I notice some online are revving up for the hanging before the Toowoomba trial....  kill the pig - drink his blood....

I can't wait to see you enablers of this monstrosity destruction of genuine legal rights (already tenuous enough in the hands of zealots) become victims of your own hubris one day..... and face trial on the basis of an accusation alone which will convict you ....
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Reply #192 - Jun 2nd, 2024 at 3:08pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 2nd, 2024 at 2:13pm:
no conclusion was evident and thus no conviction by any standard could apply. 

'Ms Anderson pushed open the office door.
"As I've opened the door, I've noticed that the female was lying on her back, completely naked, on the lounge that was adjacent to the door, for which I've gone, 'Oh,'" she told Four Corners.'
The female said 'hi' and went on typing her letter to the judge saying she was always naked, drunk and being raped in Parliament, it's a wonderful career path.
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Reply #193 - Jun 2nd, 2024 at 3:31pm
 
chimera wrote on Jun 2nd, 2024 at 3:08pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 2nd, 2024 at 2:13pm:
no conclusion was evident and thus no conviction by any standard could apply. 

'Ms Anderson pushed open the office door.
"As I've opened the door, I've noticed that the female was lying on her back, completely naked, on the lounge that was adjacent to the door, for which I've gone, 'Oh,'" she told Four Corners.'
The female said 'hi' and went on typing her letter to the judge saying she was always naked, drunk and being raped in Parliament, it's a wonderful career path.


So - chain of evidence...... who took her clothes off?

"As I've opened the door, I've noticed that the female was lying on her back, completely naked, on the lounge that was adjacent to the door, for which I've gone, 'Oh,'" she told Four Corners."

" ....oh - but I couldn't smell the sweet smell of sex.... and I then decided to just leave her there to sleep it off..... and this was the second time one of us looked in on her - the first time she had a skirt pulled up and no panties on.....though she herself later admitted to not wearing panties on the night... somehow later she became totally naked.... after the bloke had long left ..... the Invisible Man stripped her naked, it seems ...."

"Bruce had left a couple of hours earlier... but we didn't bother to check on her for two hours or more.... we are, after all, women in the workforce and here for the tea and biscuits and not to actually do the work or even think about it... normally people left sleeping in the minister's office(s) do not choke on their own vomit or anything.... anything... anything ..... no smell of raunch ... and apparently Bruce's girlfriend didn't notice he'd been rooting when he got home ....."


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Reply #194 - Jun 2nd, 2024 at 3:42pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 2nd, 2024 at 3:31pm:
. who took her clothes off?

Not Bruce the staffer who needed the girl's expertise in handling his urgent office-work. Drunk, shoeless girls have insights at 10pm on the couch which become ministerial documents. They can strip arguments down to bare facts.
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