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Reply #90 - Apr 8^th, 2024 at 5:52pm

Frank wrote on Apr 7^th, 2024 at 1:52pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 7^th, 2024 at 10:54am:

A need to 'project' a 'Religious' (For Spirituality is 'Fashion' - ever since the shame of nakedness in the Garden full of fig leaves and snakes) exploitation to control the minds of others.

This is one of the lamest 'arguments against Christianity in particular and religion generally.

Christians were persecuted severely for 400 years by the Romans, for centuries by assorted other Christians and by Muslims, for decades by various communists. Do you think all those thousands died for mind-controlling the Romans, Christians, Mohammedans, Stalinists and Maoists?

They weren't being controlled by the romans or maoists etc you dumb bugger. They were being controlled by their own 'church leaders' in opposing Rome, Mao etc. That's why they died.

There is no way you work at a uni. Absolutely NONE. You are far too stupid to ever work in a uni, even as a janitor

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Reply #91 - Apr 8^th, 2024 at 6:25pm

Frank wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 11:47am:

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The best that the universe can be known by, is via analogy...

So, paint, write, sing, compose narratives and music, found religions, wax lyrical about the meaning of it all until the end of time - it's the best we have to feed our imagination of what it all might be - but never succumb to the notion that you've landed on the Island of Truth.

Is that true?

Possibly.

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Reply #92 - Apr 8^th, 2024 at 7:11pm

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Christians were persecuted severely for 400 years by the Romans, for centuries by assorted other Christians and by Muslims, for decades by various communists. Do you think all those thousands died for mind-controlling the Romans, Christians, Mohammedans, Stalinists and Maoists?

They weren't being controlled by the romans or maoists etc you dumb bugger. They were being controlled by their own 'church leaders' in opposing Rome, Mao etc. That's why they died.

There is no way you work at a uni. Absolutely NONE. You are far too stupid to ever work in a uni, even as a janitor

you are so thick and stupid, concreting old moron, that you can't tell the difference between controlled and persecuted.

I always look forward to your posts. One never, ever see idiots like you self-disclose like you do here. it is a particular pleasure to see a moron frolicking. A dog on on its hind legs.

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Reply #93 - Apr 8^th, 2024 at 7:53pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 4:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 10:29am:

The best that the universe can be known by, is via analogy...

So, paint, write, sing, compose narratives and music, found religions, wax lyrical about the meaning of it all until the end of time - it's the best we have to feed our imagination of what it all might be - but never succumb to the notion that you've landed on the Island of Truth.

Well said. There are the Dreamers and then there are the Dream. Wink

An American Indian, with feathers in his hair-piece and animism of worshipping the Eagle as he 'becomes one with the Sky Spirit' in his dancing around the rising flames up into the sky...
...while Chuck Yaegar, the legendary Hillbilly, shot overhead like a shooting star, in the latest Jet aircraft design that took him so high - he touched the 'Heaven' above and 'was the sky spirit'.

Very silly.

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Reply #94 - Apr 8^th, 2024 at 8:13pm

Frank wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 7:11pm:

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Christians were persecuted severely for 400 years by the Romans, for centuries by assorted other Christians and by Muslims, for decades by various communists. Do you think all those thousands died for mind-controlling the Romans, Christians, Mohammedans, Stalinists and Maoists?

They weren't being controlled by the romans or maoists etc you dumb bugger. They were being controlled by their own 'church leaders' in opposing Rome, Mao etc. That's why they died.

There is no way you work at a uni. Absolutely NONE. You are far too stupid to ever work in a uni, even as a janitor

you are so thick and stupid, concreting old moron, that you can't tell the difference between controlled and persecuted.

I always look forward to your posts. One never, ever see idiots like you self-disclose like you do here. it is a particular pleasure to see a moron frolicking. A dog on on its hind legs.

Look stupid, you were the idiot who went on about mind controlling. It's not my fault you are soooooooo stupid

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44409 Gender:	Re: New theory on God could spark new religion Reply #95 - Apr 8^th, 2024 at 8:54pm Quote: Look stupid, you were the idiot who went on about mind controlling. It's not my fault you are soooooooo stupid It was Jasin, you thick, illiterate clown
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Reply #96 - Apr 8^th, 2024 at 11:35pm

Frank wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 7:53pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 4:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 10:29am:

The best that the universe can be known by, is via analogy...

So, paint, write, sing, compose narratives and music, found religions, wax lyrical about the meaning of it all until the end of time - it's the best we have to feed our imagination of what it all might be - but never succumb to the notion that you've landed on the Island of Truth.

Well said. There are the Dreamers and then there are the Dream. Wink

An American Indian, with feathers in his hair-piece and animism of worshipping the Eagle as he 'becomes one with the Sky Spirit' in his dancing around the rising flames up into the sky...
...while Chuck Yaegar, the legendary Hillbilly, shot overhead like a shooting star, in the latest Jet aircraft design that took him so high - he touched the 'Heaven' above and 'was the sky spirit'.

Very silly.

You're just a Dreamer Frank.
...not that there's anything wrong with that. Wink

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Reply #97 - Apr 8^th, 2024 at 11:37pm

Frank wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 8:54pm:

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Look stupid, you were the idiot who went on about mind controlling. It's not my fault you are soooooooo stupid

It was Jasin, you thick, illiterate clown

Calm down. Everyone knows he's a moron, except himself.
He beats his own drum and Peccary's gay fancies about being beaten.

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Reply #98 - Apr 9^th, 2024 at 9:23am

Phædrus says, "All this is just an analogy.''

Silence. And then confusion appears on the Chairman's face. "What?'' he says. The spell of his performance is broken.

"This entire description of the chariot and horses is just an analogy.''

"What?'' he says again, then loudly, "It is the truth! Socrates has sworn to the Gods that it is the truth!''

Phædrus replies, "Socrates himself says it is an analogy.''

"If you will read the dialogue you will find that Socrates specifically states it is the Truth!''

"Yes, but prior to that -- in, I believe, two paragraphs -- he has stated that it is an analogy.''

The text is on the table to consult but the Chairman has enough sense not to consult it. If he does and Phædrus is right, his classroom face is completely demolished. He has told the class no one has read the book thoroughly.

Rhetoric, 1; Dialectic, 0.

Fantastic, Phædrus thinks, that he should have remembered that. It just demolishes the whole dialectical position. That may just be the whole show right there. Of course it's an analogy. Everything is an analogy. But the dialecticians don't know that. That's why the Chairman missed that statement of Socrates. Phædrus has caught it and remembered it, because if Socrates hadn't stated it he wouldn't have been telling the 'Truth'.

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Reply #99 - Apr 9^th, 2024 at 9:54am

Rhetoric, 2; Dialectic, 0.

"And from the dialectic come the forms," Phasdrus continues, "and from. — " But the Chairman cuts it off. He sees it cannot go his way
and dismisses it. He shouldn't have cut it off, Phasdrus thinks to himself. Were he a real Truth-seeker and not a propagandist for a particular point of view he would not. He might learn something. Once it's stated that "the dialectic comes before anything else," this statement itself becomes a dialectical entity, subject to dialectical question.

Phasdrus would have asked. What evidence do we have that the dialectical question-and-answer method of arriving at truth comes
before anything else? We have none whatsoever. And when the statement is isolated and itself subject to scrutiny it becomes patently ridiculous. Here is this dialectic, like Newton’s law of gravity, just sitting by itself in the middle of nowhere, giving birth to the
universe, hey? It’s asinine.

Dialectic, which is the parent of logic, came itself from rhetoric. Rhetoric is in turn the child of the myths and poetry of ancient Greece. That is so historically, and that is so by any application of common sense. The poetry and the myths are the response of a prehistoric people to the universe around them made on the basis of Quality. It is Quality, not dialectic, which is the generator of everything we know.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44409 Gender:	Re: New theory on God could spark new religion Reply #100 - Apr 9^th, 2024 at 8:05pm Well, this 'new' religion fizzled out quickly, as new 'religions' always do because there is no substitute for actually understanding religion first.
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Reply #101 - Apr 9^th, 2024 at 8:27pm

But wait! There's Shiva at CERN!

The Shiva statue in the Nataraja form symbolizes Shakti, or life force.

Lord Shiva danced the Universe into existence, motivates it, and will eventually extinguish it.

Carl Sagan drew the metaphor between the cosmic dance of the Nataraja and the modern study of the 'cosmic dance' of subatomic particles.

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Reply #102 - Apr 9^th, 2024 at 10:14pm

Reckon the most purest form of human consciousness projecting a 'consciousness of the universe' out there would be the earliest found myths or stories by pre-history humans.
Of course, all that they would have seen is the Milky Way stars - but that innocence of what it was, would be the purest interpretation.

The oldest 'known' story is of the Pleiades stars as the 'Seven Sisters'. Of this story, two versions (as the oldest) are known - the Greek version and the Aboriginal (the oldest) version and both very similar in the telling. It's speculated that the story 'originated' in Australia, before making its way to as far as Greece.

With this said, the Consciousness of the Stars above always took on 'earthly' characteristics.

...as too would a modern interpretation regardless of the amount of Scientific 'fact' as its foundation. The interpretation of the 'Universal Consciousness' would inevitably be described by 'earthly' aspects to glue the pieces together and thus the flaw of it all.
Nothing but the Religious industry planting its flag to exploit, like colonisation and bring the Universe 'down' to its level.

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Re: New theory on God could spark new religion
Reply #103 - Apr 10^th, 2024 at 7:12am

Frank wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 8:54pm:

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Look stupid, you were the idiot who went on about mind controlling. It's not my fault you are soooooooo stupid

It was Jasin, you thick, illiterate clown

And you stupidly asked if they were mind controlled to death by the romans etc. You should learn English before commenting on an English speaking forum.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11736 Gender:	Re: New theory on God could spark new religion Reply #104 - Apr 10^th, 2024 at 8:11am "It's an analogy. Everything is an analogy" Yes, it is. The trick is to remember that, and not mistake analogy for Truth itself.
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