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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41779	Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland Apr 10^th, 2024 at 1:44pm Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Far North Queensland, say researchers
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48102 Gender:	Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland Reply #1 - Apr 10^th, 2024 at 1:58pm They stole it.
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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #2 - Apr 10^th, 2024 at 5:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 10^th, 2024 at 1:44pm:

Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Far North Queensland, say researchers Cool

How did I know you'd post this you clutcher of straws.

The next bit of the BS.

Wherever the pottery came from it wasn't Aboriginals.

And not out there on Lizard Island. It's 30klm off the coast.

If there was a time when Australias first inhabitants made pottery the questions need to be asked ...

1. When did they make pottery?

2. why has it only been found on an island 30 klm off the coast?

3. why did they not make it on the mainland & why is there no evidence it was ever made on the mainland?

It's total bullshyte to suggest this was anything to do with Hunter Gatherer Aboriginal Australia.

Or whatever you want to call the continent when this pottery may have been made.

It may have been made by Melanesians but it was never made by Australian Aboriginals only on a tiny island 30 klm off the coast.

Otherwise it would have been found all over Cape York & the rest of the continent.

It's just more woke bullshyte.

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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #3 - Apr 11^th, 2024 at 9:54am

Gnads wrote on Apr 10^th, 2024 at 5:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 10^th, 2024 at 1:44pm:

Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Far North Queensland, say researchers Cool

How did I know you'd post this you clutcher of straws.

The next bit of the BS.

Wherever the pottery came from it wasn't Aboriginals.

And not out there on Lizard Island. It's 30klm off the coast.

If there was a time when Australias first inhabitants made pottery the questions need to be asked ...

1. When did they make pottery?

2. why has it only been found on an island 30 klm off the coast?

3. why did they not make it on the mainland & why is there no evidence it was ever made on the mainland?

It's total bullshyte to suggest this was anything to do with Hunter Gatherer Aboriginal Australia.

Or whatever you want to call the continent when this pottery may have been made.

It may have been made by Melanesians but it was never made by Australian Aboriginals only on a tiny island 30 klm off the coast.

Otherwise it would have been found all over Cape York & the rest of the continent.

It's just more woke bullshyte.

There were questions about why Aboriginal people would use pottery in the first place.

"You need pottery to store things. You need pottery to cook [...] Aboriginal people all along that Cape York Peninsula coastline had no need to make pottery because they had big baler shells and big clam shells, which serve exactly the same purpose," Professor Wallis said.

"If you chip away the outside of the shell, you can simply reach your hand in and there's already a ready-made handle in there."

"It'd be great to hear [the paper's authors] speak about why they think Aboriginal peoples suddenly did this for this short blip of time, and then stopped."
(from the ABC article in the OP)

Obviously not pottery made by Aborigines.

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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #4 - Apr 11^th, 2024 at 9:54am

Gnads wrote on Apr 10^th, 2024 at 5:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 10^th, 2024 at 1:44pm:

Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Far North Queensland, say researchers Cool

How did I know you'd post this you clutcher of straws.

The next bit of the BS.

Wherever the pottery came from it wasn't Aboriginals.

And not out there on Lizard Island. It's 30klm off the coast.

If there was a time when Australias first inhabitants made pottery the questions need to be asked ...

1. When did they make pottery?

2. why has it only been found on an island 30 klm off the coast?

3. why did they not make it on the mainland & why is there no evidence it was ever made on the mainland?

It's total bullshyte to suggest this was anything to do with Hunter Gatherer Aboriginal Australia.

Or whatever you want to call the continent when this pottery may have been made.

It may have been made by Melanesians but it was never made by Australian Aboriginals only on a tiny island 30 klm off the coast.

Otherwise it would have been found all over Cape York & the rest of the continent.

It's just more woke bullshyte.

There were questions about why Aboriginal people would use pottery in the first place.

"You need pottery to store things. You need pottery to cook [...] Aboriginal people all along that Cape York Peninsula coastline had no need to make pottery because they had big baler shells and big clam shells, which serve exactly the same purpose," Professor Wallis said.

"If you chip away the outside of the shell, you can simply reach your hand in and there's already a ready-made handle in there."

"It'd be great to hear [the paper's authors] speak about why they think Aboriginal peoples suddenly did this for this short blip of time, and then stopped."
(from the ABC article in the OP)

Obviously not pottery made by Aborigines.

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5420 Gender:	Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland Reply #5 - Apr 11^th, 2024 at 10:40am This seems like another desperate attempt to claim aboriginals possessed skills they clearly did not. I will concede that some few aboriginals may have attempted to copy pottery made by these more sophisticated seafaring Lapita people, but were unable to do so successfully.
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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #6 - Apr 11^th, 2024 at 11:18am

Belgarion wrote on Apr 11^th, 2024 at 10:40am:

This seems like another desperate attempt to claim aboriginals possessed skills they clearly did not.

Hang on, didn't you know that aboriginals were the most innovative and technologically advanced people ever? You can see this in their tools which are so amazingly unique and their one musical instrument is so sophisticated it could rival the finest Stradivarius. This is all thanks to their superior intelligence and know how. And their knowledge and understanding of science and medicine knew no bounds - they could cure anything with some tea tree oil.

There is nothing they couldn't do. Everything we have today we can thank the aboriginals for - they were the first agriculturalists, the first bakers, the first house builders, the first astronomers, the first chemists ...

And you are questioning whether they made some pottery? Hell, they even invented the pottery kiln. Roll Eyes

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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #7 - Apr 11^th, 2024 at 11:44am

Aquarius wrote on Apr 11^th, 2024 at 11:18am:

Belgarion wrote on Apr 11^th, 2024 at 10:40am:

This seems like another desperate attempt to claim aboriginals possessed skills they clearly did not.

Hang on, didn't you know that aboriginals were the most innovative and technologically advanced people ever? You can see this in their tools which are so amazingly unique and their one musical instrument is so sophisticated it could rival the finest Stradivarius. This is all thanks to their superior intelligence and know how. And their knowledge and understanding of science and medicine knew no bounds - they could cure anything with some tea tree oil.

There is nothing they couldn't do. Everything we have today we can thank the aboriginals for - they were the first agriculturalists, the first bakers, the first house builders, the first astronomers, the first chemists ...

And you are questioning whether they made some pottery? Hell, they even invented the pottery kiln. Roll Eyes

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34658 Gender:	Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland Reply #8 - Apr 11^th, 2024 at 12:07pm so what ?
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 84410 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland Reply #9 - Apr 11^th, 2024 at 12:20pm Hear me, O Critias..... that once lived a kingdom of gods.... beyond the pillars of Cairns.... (for those not steeped in the classics, that's the sort of beginning of the monologue about Atlantis....)
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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #10 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:41am

The whole OP is bullshyte ... the pottery is not Aboriginal Australian.

it belongs to - Quote:

Neolithic Austronesian people and their distinct material culture, who settled Island Melanesia via a seaborne migration at around 1600 to 500 BCE.

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Lapita people are believed to have originated from the northern Philippines, either directly, via the Mariana Islands, or both.[3] They were notable for their distinctive geometric designs on dentate-stamped pottery, which closely resemble the pottery recovered from the Nagsabaran archaeological site in northern Luzon. The Lapita intermarried with the Papuan populations to various degrees, and are the direct ancestors of the Austronesian peoples of Polynesia, eastern Micronesia, and Island Melanesia.

Failed again Bwyan.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35442 Gender:	Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland Reply #11 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:44am It's just hilarious how butt hurt the bigots on here get whenever it's suggested that Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander people did anything other than what they were taught in school .... way back last century. Furious. They become furious. It's deeply funny.
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Reply #12 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:48am

The Coolgardie Safe, which used capillary action and evaporative cooling to keep food from spoiling, was the ‘household fridge’ of Australia from the 1890s until the mid-twentieth century. It is thought to have been partly inspired by watching Aboriginal people carry water in special bags made of wallaby skin, which used the same principles of heat transfer to keep the water cool.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12481 Gender:	Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland Reply #13 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:53am Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival. Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save?
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Reply #14 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:56am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival.

Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save?

Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers.

Oh that's going to make them well cross.

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