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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #15 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:04am

Farming was innovated in the Middle-East
(although Papua has a new Guinea innovated it thousands of years before that, but wasn't reliant upon it)
because that place was a barren wasteland so to speak - so how else would they get bountiful 'food'? Even Hunter-Gathering would have been very 'poor' productivity.

So Farming then innovated 'Military' as Humans needed to now 'raid' other tribe harvests and crops, if theirs failed.
From the Raiding came Religion - because they had to make up stories to soften the blow (to the head) for the little children who didn't understand the need for all the killing.

The Middle-East became the first region to implement Humans preying upon Humans in a survival sense and they called this 'Civilisation'. Roll Eyes

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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #16 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:13am

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival.

Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save?

Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers.

Oh that's going to make them well cross.

Weren't they?

And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people.

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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #17 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:22am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:13am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival.

Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save?

Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers.

Oh that's going to make them well cross.

Weren't they?

And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people.

They the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders or they the bigots?

I'm unsure of which group you;re trying to be a smartarse about.

It doesn't really matter. Both are easily defended on here, from your perspective.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #18 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:32am

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:13am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival.

Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save?

Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers.

Oh that's going to make them well cross.

Weren't they?

And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people.

They the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders or they the bigots?

I'm unsure of which group you;re trying to be a smartarse about.

It doesn't really matter. Both are easily defended on here, from your perspective.

More drivel out of half-arsed education that has been poured like sewerage into Australians for over 150 years.

Even on islands relatively tiny to Australia, the Maori did not see themselves as the 'Maori People' (the word 'Maori' being only used since the late 18th century to differentiate 'normal' people from British explorers), but by their tribal/clan subcultural identities.

When you're referring to, say, Greeks, would you refer to them as the European people?

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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #19 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:37am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:13am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival.

Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save?

Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers.

Oh that's going to make them well cross.

Weren't they?

And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people.

They the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders or they the bigots?

I'm unsure of which group you;re trying to be a smartarse about.

It doesn't really matter. Both are easily defended on here, from your perspective.

More drivel out of half-arsed education that has been poured like sewerage into Australians for over 150 years.

Even on islands relatively tiny to Australia, the Maori did not see themselves as the 'Maori People' (the word 'Maori' being only used since the late 18th century to differentiate 'normal' people from British explorers), but by their tribal/clan subcultural identities.

When you're referring to, say, Greeks, would you refer to them as the European people?

Oh my god! How insightful of you! You're telling us all that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders aren't a homogeneous blob?

Serious?

You should have, like a street named after you or something. I'm certain nobody has ever thought that before.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #20 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:42am

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:37am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:13am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival.

Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save?

Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers.

Oh that's going to make them well cross.

Weren't they?

And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people.

They the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders or they the bigots?

I'm unsure of which group you;re trying to be a smartarse about.

It doesn't really matter. Both are easily defended on here, from your perspective.

More drivel out of half-arsed education that has been poured like sewerage into Australians for over 150 years.

Even on islands relatively tiny to Australia, the Maori did not see themselves as the 'Maori People' (the word 'Maori' being only used since the late 18th century to differentiate 'normal' people from British explorers), but by their tribal/clan subcultural identities.

When you're referring to, say, Greeks, would you refer to them as the European people?

Oh my god! How insightful of you! You're telling us all that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders aren't a homogeneous blob?

Serious?

You should have, like a street named after you or something. I'm certain nobody has ever thought that before.

Yes. When it comes to comprehending Australian Aboriginal peoples as distinct peoples, Australians have been fed dumb cuntery for over a century and a half.

Even the crypto-colonising Americans realised early that all native Americans were not the same and native American cultures were, well, not monolithic.

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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #21 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:50am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:42am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:37am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:13am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival.

Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save?

Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers.

Oh that's going to make them well cross.

Weren't they?

And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people.

They the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders or they the bigots?

I'm unsure of which group you;re trying to be a smartarse about.

It doesn't really matter. Both are easily defended on here, from your perspective.

More drivel out of half-arsed education that has been poured like sewerage into Australians for over 150 years.

Even on islands relatively tiny to Australia, the Maori did not see themselves as the 'Maori People' (the word 'Maori' being only used since the late 18th century to differentiate 'normal' people from British explorers), but by their tribal/clan subcultural identities.

When you're referring to, say, Greeks, would you refer to them as the European people?

Oh my god! How insightful of you! You're telling us all that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders aren't a homogeneous blob?

Serious?

You should have, like a street named after you or something. I'm certain nobody has ever thought that before.

Yes. When it comes to comprehending Australian Aboriginal peoples as distinct peoples, Australians have been fed dumb cuntery for over a century and a half.

Even the crypto-colonising Americans realised early that all native Americans were not the same and native American cultures were, well, not monolithic.

I think you'll find that younger gnerations than you have had the benefit of a more rounded education.

And it all brings me back to my original point ,,, the folk on here lose their ever loving minds when it's suggested that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders are found to have existed in ways contrary to their previous centuries education.

Thread after thread on it.

And it's me you challenge.

Typical.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12481 Gender:	Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland Reply #22 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:55am mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:50am: I think you'll find that younger gnerations than you have had the benefit of a more rounded education. Oh really??!! And the 'One Voice to speak for them all', which was generally enthusiastically embraced by Millenials and Zoomers?
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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #23 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 1:43pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:42am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:37am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:13am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival.

Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save?

Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers.

Oh that's going to make them well cross.

Weren't they?

And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people.

They the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders or they the bigots?

I'm unsure of which group you;re trying to be a smartarse about.

It doesn't really matter. Both are easily defended on here, from your perspective.

More drivel out of half-arsed education that has been poured like sewerage into Australians for over 150 years.

Even on islands relatively tiny to Australia, the Maori did not see themselves as the 'Maori People' (the word 'Maori' being only used since the late 18th century to differentiate 'normal' people from British explorers), but by their tribal/clan subcultural identities.

When you're referring to, say, Greeks, would you refer to them as the European people?

Oh my god! How insightful of you! You're telling us all that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders aren't a homogeneous blob?

Serious?

You should have, like a street named after you or something. I'm certain nobody has ever thought that before.

Yes. When it comes to comprehending Australian Aboriginal peoples as distinct peoples, Australians have been fed dumb cuntery for over a century and a half.

Even the crypto-colonising Americans realised early that all native Americans were not the same and native American cultures were, well, not monolithic.

good point meister

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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #24 - Apr 12^th, 2024 at 1:45pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:50am: