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Reply #60 - Apr 13th, 2024 at 1:16pm
 
If the indigenous people could recreate the pottery, the pottery would have been widespread around Australia within a few centuries. Not only are the indigenous people of Australia the oldest civilisation on the planet, it is barely civilised. No progression from the hunter-gatherer tribespeople in Australia. We might have seen the end of the Stone Age in Europe about 5000 years ago. But the indigenous people never developed the bronze age.

The pottery was traded from visiting boat people who had mastered pottery making. Why else would there be fragments of pottery on one island, if the Australian colonisers smashed their culture up to 220 years ago? The indigenous would not have straight up forgotten how to make pottery. And we would be seeing much newer remnants of pottery today that was made by indigenous Australians as late as the 1920s.
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Reply #61 - Apr 13th, 2024 at 1:23pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 13th, 2024 at 1:16pm:
If the indigenous people could recreate the pottery, the pottery would have been widespread around Australia within a few centuries. Not only are the indigenous people of Australia the oldest civilisation on the planet, it is barely civilised. No progression from the hunter-gatherer tribespeople in Australia. We might have seen the end of the Stone Age in Europe about 5000 years ago. But the indigenous people never developed the bronze age.

The pottery was traded from visiting boat people who had mastered pottery making. Why else would there be fragments of pottery on one island, if the Australian colonisers smashed their culture up to 220 years ago? The indigenous would not have straight up forgotten how to make pottery. And we would be seeing much newer remnants of pottery today that was made by indigenous Australians as late as the 1920s.


That's just bigotry and racism.

99.9% of white Australians couldn't make pottery.
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Reply #62 - Apr 14th, 2024 at 9:27am
 
So, the core problem with micro-regional discoveries of artefacts on the Australian continent and surrounding islands, is the tendency to attribute, in the popular imagination, whatever technology is required to create those artefacts to the 'Australian Aboriginal people'  as opposed to an Australian Aboriginal people.

This tendency is due to ignorance informed only by urban myth bullshittery, passing for history.

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Reply #63 - Apr 14th, 2024 at 9:27am
 
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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #64 - Apr 14th, 2024 at 9:40am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 13th, 2024 at 1:23pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 13th, 2024 at 1:16pm:
If the indigenous people could recreate the pottery, the pottery would have been widespread around Australia within a few centuries. Not only are the indigenous people of Australia the oldest civilisation on the planet, it is barely civilised. No progression from the hunter-gatherer tribespeople in Australia. We might have seen the end of the Stone Age in Europe about 5000 years ago. But the indigenous people never developed the bronze age.

The pottery was traded from visiting boat people who had mastered pottery making. Why else would there be fragments of pottery on one island, if the Australian colonisers smashed their culture up to 220 years ago? The indigenous would not have straight up forgotten how to make pottery. And we would be seeing much newer remnants of pottery today that was made by indigenous Australians as late as the 1920s.


That's just bigotry and racism.

99.9% of white Australians couldn't make pottery.


Why is it that Yellow people could build great architectural cities, Great Walls, massive statues, big ships, huge armies, places of spiritual respite, social heirarchies and other major cultural contributions right down to a strong samurai sword?

...while 'Black' people only invented leaves to wipe their bums in the African bush while herding cattle and selling their people off as Slaves?

As for India - the majority of Cultural enrichment came from the Aryans in the north, while the Dravidians in the south could only offer up their black skin.
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Reply #65 - Apr 14th, 2024 at 10:33am
 
Jasin wrote on Apr 14th, 2024 at 9:40am:
...while 'Black' people only invented leaves to wipe their bums in the African bush while herding cattle and selling their people off as Slaves?

What civilisations have the Africans ever built for themselves?

Apart from the:

Mali Empire
Benin Empire
Songhai Empire
Kingdom of Kush
Ethiopian Empire
The Great Zimbabwe
Land of Punt
Igbo kingdoms
Kingdom of Aksum
Kong Empire
Ghana
Carthage
Aghlabid dynasty
Ajuran Sultanate
Arochukwu
Ashanti Empire
Bamana Empire
Hausa Kingdoms
Kanem–Bornu Empire
Kingdom of Mauretania
Kingdom of Jarin
Sokoto Caliphate

Apart from all that, what civilisations have the Africans ever built for themselves?

There's a reason why we all still remember Timbuktu.
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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #66 - Apr 14th, 2024 at 3:12pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 13th, 2024 at 1:23pm:
That's just bigotry and racism.

99.9% of white Australians couldn't make pottery.


So explain to us mere mortals when the aboriginal people lost the ability to make pottery. Roll Eyes
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Reply #67 - Apr 14th, 2024 at 4:00pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 14th, 2024 at 10:33am:
Jasin wrote on Apr 14th, 2024 at 9:40am:
...while 'Black' people only invented leaves to wipe their bums in the African bush while herding cattle and selling their people off as Slaves?

What civilisations have the Africans ever built for themselves?

Apart from the:

Mali Empire
Benin Empire
Songhai Empire
Kingdom of Kush
Ethiopian Empire
The Great Zimbabwe
Land of Punt
Igbo kingdoms
Kingdom of Aksum
Kong Empire
Ghana
Carthage
Aghlabid dynasty
Ajuran Sultanate
Arochukwu
Ashanti Empire
Bamana Empire
Hausa Kingdoms
Kanem–Bornu Empire
Kingdom of Mauretania
Kingdom of Jarin
Sokoto Caliphate

Apart from all that, what civilisations have the Africans ever built for themselves?

There's a reason why we all still remember Timbuktu.


Yellow Man has created the Gift of City and Building greatness.   Their distant relative the Egyptian created Pyramids!
...what has the Black Man given the world as a Cultural 'Gift' unique among themselves? A big penis? Grin
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Reply #68 - Apr 14th, 2024 at 4:22pm
 
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Reply #69 - Apr 14th, 2024 at 4:22pm
 
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Re: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Queensland
Reply #70 - Apr 14th, 2024 at 4:23pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 14th, 2024 at 3:12pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 13th, 2024 at 1:23pm:
That's just bigotry and racism.

99.9% of white Australians couldn't make pottery.


So explain to us mere mortals when the aboriginal people lost the ability to make pottery. Roll Eyes


They didn't lose it - they never had it................ this 'researcher' is hoping there might be some connection somewhere...... it was just some travelers passing through... ships in the night....
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Reply #71 - Apr 18th, 2024 at 8:27pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 13th, 2024 at 1:23pm:
That's just bigotry and racism.

99.9% of white Australians couldn't make pottery.


Nope. I am no good at pottery. The last time I tried, the clay flopped over and the ghost of Patrick Swayze heckled me, saying "It's not as easy as you thought", as the ghosts of the Righteous Brothers played "Unchained Melody".

But even if 99.9% of white Australians could not make pottery, there is still that 0.1% you claim that could make pottery. And I am willing to bet that 0.1% of the 22 million white Australians today would far outnumber the total indigenous Australians who have ever made pottery in the last 60,000 years.
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Reply #72 - Apr 19th, 2024 at 7:01am
 
Aborigines are 2% Neanderthal and 6% Denisovan.

They are practically a different species.

They never had pottery - other cultures visited this continent for thousands of years - Indian and Makassar people for example. 

Aborigines are Stone Age - Paleolithic who never even made it to Neolithic stage and they were Cannibals who raped murdered and ate babies.

If I never see another one again in my whole life it will be too soon.

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Reply #73 - Apr 19th, 2024 at 10:54am
 
There were questions about why Aboriginal people would use pottery in the first place.

"You need pottery to store things. You need pottery to cook [...] Aboriginal people all along that Cape York Peninsula coastline had no need to make pottery because they had big baler shells and big clam shells, which serve exactly the same purpose," Professor Wallis said.   

"If you chip away the outside of the shell, you can simply reach your hand in and there's already a ready-made handle in there."

"It'd be great to hear [the paper's authors] speak about why they think Aboriginal peoples suddenly did this for this short blip of time, and then stopped."
(from the ABC article in the OP)


Obviously not pottery made by Aborigines.
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Reply #74 - Apr 19th, 2024 at 12:40pm
 
Brian has made no responses or further posts to his initial post on this topic. I dare say he just left the topic here as bait to irritate the commonsense thinking people. If this was a court of law, the argument would be conclusive that the aborigines traded for the pottery, that was not made in Australia.

I would argue that the number of potters in Australia of indigenous heritage (including those that are as white as Pascoe) since the time of Federation would probably not make up the numbers of a football game.
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