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Reply #105 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:24am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:31pm:

I'm confused : Mearsheimers appears to be making absolute sense (I tuned in around the 20 min mark) in asserting the Israelis are conducting genocide in Gaza, as well as deliberately trying to get the Americans to attack Iran.

I'm comfused because Mothra claimed the professor in the video is a conservative.

He must be an antiwar conservative, a rare breed.

Small 'c' conservative.

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Reply #110 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:07am

Hamas escapes almost all accountability for a war it started in a malicious act of depravity

It beggars belief that even the terrorists of Hamas and other organisations of similar bent, could engage in the murder and abuse of innocents as we now know for certain occurred on October 7.

Take for example the people attending the rock concert, dedicated to peace.

Murder, rape and kidnapping were the consequences of Hamas crossing the border.

The current war would not be occurring but for Hamas, almost certainly at the behest of its Iranian mentors, committing such widespread atrocities, in the certain knowledge that the Israeli response would be massive.

And why did Iran choose to push Hamas last October?

At this time, US diplomacy appeared to be succeeding in encouraging Saudi Arabia and other Arab states to recognise Israel.

This would be catastrophic for Iranian ambitions in the region.

So, let us be clear.

The Iranians in particular bear enormous responsibility as an openly terrorist regime for all that has happened in the Gaza strip.

They are a regime dedicated to creating maximum turmoil in the region.

This is part of the regime's survival strategy in Teheran.

If anyone should doubt Iranian involvement, then a glance at the presence of Iranian Revolutionary Guards in Syria in liaison with the Hezbollah terrorist grouping will remove any doubts.

US Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, put this clearly on April 9 last: “It remains astounding to me that the world is almost deafeningly silent when it comes to Hamas”. The terrorists are never taken before international courts, nor is its leadership ever brought to book and held responsible.

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Reply #111 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:09am

Hamas escapes almost all accountability for a war it started in a malicious act of depravity

It beggars belief that even the terrorists of Hamas and other organisations of similar bent, could engage in the murder and abuse of innocents as we now know for certain occurred on October 7.

Take for example the people attending the rock concert, dedicated to peace.

Murder, rape and kidnapping were the consequences of Hamas crossing the border.

The current war would not be occurring but for Hamas, almost certainly at the behest of its Iranian mentors, committing such widespread atrocities, in the certain knowledge that the Israeli response would be massive.

And why did Iran choose to push Hamas last October?

At this time, US diplomacy appeared to be succeeding in encouraging Saudi Arabia and other Arab states to recognise Israel.

This would be catastrophic for Iranian ambitions in the region.

So, let us be clear.

The Iranians in particular bear enormous responsibility as an openly terrorist regime for all that has happened in the Gaza strip.

They are a regime dedicated to creating maximum turmoil in the region.

This is part of the regime's survival strategy in Teheran.

If anyone should doubt Iranian involvement, then a glance at the presence of Iranian Revolutionary Guards in Syria in liaison with the Hezbollah terrorist grouping will remove any doubts.

US Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, put this clearly on April 9 last: “It remains astounding to me that the world is almost deafeningly silent when it comes to Hamas”. The terrorists are never taken before international courts, nor is its leadership ever brought to book and held responsible.

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Reply #112 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:19am

Seen on X (twitter) today:

David Sacks

"After the U.S. hit Soleimani, Trump says that he understood that Iran had to hit back to save face. So he managed the escalation to avoid a war. Is Biden capable of thinking this way?"

Well, to answer Sacks, the WH is urging restraint by Israel.

While Trump failed to implement UN res 242.

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Reply #113 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:23am

Frank wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:09am:

Hamas escapes almost all accountability for a war it started continued in a malicious act of depravity

, in revenge for the unresolved confiscation of Palestinian land by the UN in 1947

Corrected for you.

The rest of the article is self-justifying GIGO. Loosely reveals the fault-lines in the ALP re the creation of Israel, mirroring the old DLP conflict re Catholicism versus Marxism.

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Reply #115 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:35am

mothra wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 12:24am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:31pm:

I'm confused : Mearsheimers appears to be making absolute sense (I tuned in around the 20 min mark) in asserting the Israelis are conducting genocide in Gaza, as well as deliberately trying to get the Americans to attack Iran.

I'm comfused because Mothra claimed the professor in the video is a conservative.

He must be an antiwar conservative, a rare breed.

Small 'c' conservative.

Ah, thanks.

He certainly calls out the Israeli genocide in Gaza for what it is - something a Conservative would never do - witness this thread.

Graps says I don't know small 'c' from capital 'C' (C/conservative), but graps (an anti-governement Libertarian) is promoting the completion of the genocide in Gaza.

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Reply #116 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:36am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:23am:

Frank wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:09am:

Hamas escapes almost all accountability for a war it started continued in a malicious act of depravity

, in revenge for the unresolved confiscation of Palestinian land by the UN in 1947

Corrected for you.

The rest of the article is self-justifying GIGO. Loosely reveals the fault-lines in the ALP re the creation of Israel, mirroring the old DLP conflict re Catholicism versus Marxism.

In what sense did the UN confiscate the land? Aren't you the one who always says we should stick with what the UN wanted?

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Reply #117 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:51am

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:36am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:23am:

Frank wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:09am:

Hamas escapes almost all accountability for a war it started continued in a malicious act of depravity

, in revenge for the unresolved confiscation of Palestinian land by the UN in 1947

Corrected for you.

The rest of the article is self-justifying GIGO. Loosely reveals the fault-lines in the ALP re the creation of Israel, mirroring the old DLP conflict re Catholicism versus Marxism.

In what sense did the UN confiscate the land?

The UN voted to partition Palestine, thereby being complicit in the confiscation of more than half of the Palestine Mandate land, for the proposed Israeli state.

The actual confiscation occured when Zionists unilaterally proclaimed the existence of Israel, during the violence which followed the UN partition vote.

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Aren't you the one who always says we should stick with what the UN wanted?

No, I'm the one who says Doc Evatt was right....ie effective international law requires a UNSC without veto.

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Reply #118 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:54am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:23am:

Frank wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:09am:

Hamas escapes almost all accountability for a war it started and continued in a malicious act of depravity

, in revenge for the unresolved confiscation of Palestinian land by the UN in 1947

Corrected for you.

The rest of the article is self-justifying GIGO. Loosely reveals the fault-lines in the ALP re the creation of Israel, mirroring the old DLP conflict re Catholicism versus Marxism.

Corrected for you.

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Reply #119 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:59am

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No, I'm the one who says Doc Evatt was right....ie effective international law requires a UNSC without veto.

As even the dimmest 12 year old knows, there was NO UNSC veto power involved in the UN resolution to partition the British mandate of Palestine.
Israel simply accepted the UN resolutions, the Mohammedans did not.

There was no veto so your endless moronic parrotting about UNSC veto powers is totally irrelevant, like practically all your fatuous, doctrinaire misunderstandings and misrepresentations of any given topic and issue.

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