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Reply #150 - Apr 15th, 2024 at 5:32pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 4:11pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 12:27pm:
So the locals "confiscated" their own land? Who from?


You can't confiscate your own land (quotation marks or not).

That's just your brain damage in evidence; the confiscation happened when Jews among the "locals" (note the quotation marks...)  were supported by zionists who drove many Palestinians out of the proposed Israeli state - Palestinians being a majority  among the "locals" before their forced expulsion -  a direct  result of incompetent UN management of the Partition. 


A huge number of Muslims voluntarily left Israel as it was being created, on the assumption that their fellow Muslims would come back and wipe out the Jews and give them their properties back.

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Does this higher authority actually exist? Are you referring to your insistence that the USA intervenes?


1. No

2. Yes; ie, intervene  along with the other UNSC members, to enforce securty among the lizard brains on either side.


So you think the USA is a higher authority than the UN and they should set up a functioning state for the Palestinians?

What makes you think they would be any better than the Israelis at ensuring security? And why is the obligation on them?

And how can you identify that higher authority so easily in the same breath as insisting it does not exist?
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Reply #151 - Apr 15th, 2024 at 5:51pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 5:32pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 4:11pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 12:27pm:
So the locals "confiscated" their own land? Who from?


You can't confiscate your own land (quotation marks or not).

That's just your brain damage in evidence; the confiscation happened when Jews among the "locals" (note the quotation marks...)  were supported by zionists who drove many Palestinians out of the proposed Israeli state - Palestinians being a majority  among the "locals" before their forced expulsion -  a direct  result of incompetent UN management of the Partition. 


A huge number of Muslims voluntarily left Israel as it was being created, on the assumption that their fellow Muslims would come back and wipe out the Jews and give them their properties back.




"With the birth of the State of Israel, over 850,000 Jews were forced from Arab Lands and Iran. The desperate refugees were welcomed by Israel."



The Arabs, on the other hand, have been farming the Pallos in 'refugee camps' ever since.


Millions of Germans and Slavs were displaced after WWII. European borders were redrawn, populations expelled and absorbed.

Millions more were shuffled around with the partition of India. Th ed New World absorbed millions of displaced refugees.

But Muslims cannot bring themselves to welcome their Palestinian bruvvers and sistas and settle them and make peace with Israel and each other. Jihad uber alles, to coin a phrase.

The Muslims conquered the whole of North Africa and the Eastern Roman Empire, the Persian Empire and the north of India. But for the Jews to have Jewdea - Israel is about half the size of Tasmania  - well, the Hamerse Muslims can't bear the idea.
You can't negotiate with fanatical dickheaddles  like that.


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Reply #152 - Apr 16th, 2024 at 9:59am
 
chimera wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 5:07pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 4:42pm:
China wants to see international peace, while it  develops common prosperity in its own economy.
The Taiwan issue is none of your business.

Thank you so very much. Lovely! 'peace' > 'none of your business'.
Philippines, Australia, India will be under the elegantly simple CHINA RULES!


Taiwan is none of those nations'  business either. Taiwan is part of China, which the UN recoginizes.

Just as 'peace' within your nation is none of my business; though sorting out your own internal squabbles may require  intervention by an international body - as opposed to other nations' interventions on ideological grounds - to solve  the problem. 
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Reply #153 - Apr 16th, 2024 at 10:10am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 5:32pm:
A huge number of Muslims voluntarily left Israel as it was being created,


Laughable....

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So you think the USA is a higher authority than the UN and they should set up a functioning state for the Palestinians?


(sigh) No, I think the UN should be a higher authority than the US which is blocking the Palestinian state. (UN res 242 woud have been implemented by the UN by 1968, except for the US's UNSC veto). 

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What makes you think they would be any better than the Israelis at ensuring security? And why is the obligation on them?


Wrong premise, as noted above.

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And how can you identify that higher authority so easily in the same breath as insisting it does not exist?


By noting the requirement to eliminate the UNSC veto.

Next.....
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Reply #154 - Apr 16th, 2024 at 10:34am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 10:10am:
freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 5:32pm:
A huge number of Muslims voluntarily left Israel as it was being created,


Laughable....


Also, the Arab Liberation Army systematically evacuated them from wherever they hoped to set up military strongholds from which to slaughter Jews.

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No, I think the UN should be a higher authority than the US which is blocking the Palestinian state. (UN res 242 woud have been implemented by the UN by 1968, except for the US's UNSC veto).


You do realise that a piece of paper does not make a state exist, right?

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Wrong premise, as noted above.


What army does the UN have?
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Reply #155 - Apr 16th, 2024 at 10:40am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 10:10am:
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(sigh) No, I think the UN should be a higher authority than the US which is blocking the Palestinian state. (UN res 242 woud have been implemented by the UN by 1968, except for the US's UNSC veto). 

Next.




Next... You are an ignorant, blowhard idiot. It was the Palllos who rejected it, fathead, not the UNSC or the US.



United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 (S/RES/242) was adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967, in the aftermath of the Six-Day War. It was adopted under Chapter VI of the UN Charter.[1]


The day after Resolution 242 was adopted, the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) rejected it as "fundamentally and gravely inconsistent with the Arab character of Palestine, the essence of the Palestine cause and the right of the Palestinian people to their homeland." and "disappoints the hopes of the Arab nation and ignores its national aspirations [... and] ignores the existence of the Palestinian people and their right of self-determination."
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Reply #156 - Apr 16th, 2024 at 10:55am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 10:34am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 10:10am:
freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 5:32pm:
A huge number of Muslims voluntarily left Israel as it was being created,


Laughable....


Also, the Arab Liberation Army systematically evacuated them from wherever they hoped to set up military strongholds from which to slaughter Jews.


Laughable, next

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No, I think the UN should be a higher authority than the US which is blocking the Palestinian state. (UN res 242 woud have been implemented by the UN by 1968, except for the US's UNSC veto).


You do realise that a piece of paper does not make a state exist, right?
 

I do realize you brain is crippled by fake 'individual rights'/freedom" ideology, as shown above;  your statement bears no relationship to the comment to which you imagined you were replying.

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What army does the UN have?


Nations need police forces to deal with criminals individuals.

Whereas under an effective international rules based order, nations don't need armies, since the UNSC would possess the sole "army".   

Spot the difference?   
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Reply #157 - Apr 16th, 2024 at 10:57am
 
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since the UNSC would possess the sole "army".
 

Grin

Meanwhile, back on planet earth, the Jews are still trying to stop the Muslims from slaughtering them.
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Reply #158 - Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:36am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 10:57am:
tgd:
since the UNSC would possess the sole "army".
 

Grin


Your inability to address the issues re police versus armies,  and national versus international security noted.

As to be expected from  a deluded "individual freedom"/ individual rights" ideologue.

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Meanwhile, back on planet earth
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with lizard brains still in command...

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the Jews are still trying to stop the Muslims from slaughtering them.


Of course, while Netanyahu has said there will be no Palestinian state.
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Reply #159 - Apr 16th, 2024 at 12:23pm
 
The UN put Iran in as the chair of the human rights council. And you expect us to take you seriously when you suggest they should be running the only army in the world. That is no les idiotic than expecting people to trust the CCP after they rewarded rather than punished leaders for killing about 100 million Chinese people, on top of letting the Japanese kill and rape their way across China.
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Reply #160 - Apr 16th, 2024 at 1:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 12:23pm:
The UN put Iran in as the chair of the human rights council.


I agree - madness: however, sorry to inform you the UN's madness results from your delusional 'individual rights/individual sovereigtny' ideology which crippled the UN from its inception (including the UNSC veto).

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And you expect us to take you seriously when you suggest they should be running the only army in the world.


Addressed above. The viability of the  human species is being increasingly brought into question by more and more people around the world, as economic and political disasters cause ever more chaos.

The maintenance of individual armies with control over weapons of mass destruction is unviable and unsustainable.

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That is no les idiotic than expecting people to trust the CCP after they rewarded rather than punished leaders for killing about 100 million Chinese people, on top of letting the Japanese kill and rape their way across China.


You are confused. What the CCP did last century  isn't relevant to how the UN must reform now. 


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Reply #161 - Apr 16th, 2024 at 1:49pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 1:43pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 12:23pm:
The UN put Iran in as the chair of the human rights council.


I agree - madness: however, sorry to inform you the UN's madness results from your delusional 'individual rights/individual sovereigtny' ideology which crippled the UN from its inception (including the UNSC veto).





So if not by bringing together individual, sovereign nations to form the United Nations - then how would you bring the world together?

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Reply #162 - Apr 16th, 2024 at 2:02pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 1:49pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 1:43pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 12:23pm:
The UN put Iran in as the chair of the human rights council.


I agree - madness: however, sorry to inform you the UN's madness results from your delusional 'individual rights/individual sovereigtny' ideology which crippled the UN from its inception (including the UNSC veto).


So if not by bringing together individual, sovereign nations to form the United Nations - then how would you bring the world together?


By instituting examination in the UNGA of necessary UN reform, including the need to eliminate the UNSC veto.

The lizard brain in all of us would quickly be exposed as the culprit which is preventing action "to save mankind from the scourge of war" (UN Charter preamble).
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Reply #163 - Apr 16th, 2024 at 2:17pm
 
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You are confused. What the CCP did last century  isn't relevant to how the UN must reform now.


It is relevant. You consistently choose the worst possible option. You expect people to trust the CCP after they rewarded rather than punished leaders for killing about 100 million Chinese people, on top of letting the Japanese kill and rape their way across China. This behaviour is not limited to last century. They managed another colossal bugger-up with covid that cost huge numbers of lives, and again they are trying to BS their way out of it while patting themselves on the back, and we have to wait until they have a corpse to blame it on before they even admit it was an "administrative error". The behaviour of last century is firmly embedded in the culture of the CCP. That's what happens when you allow leaders to get away with killing millions - they keep doing it.
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Reply #164 - Apr 16th, 2024 at 4:11pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 2:02pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 1:49pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 1:43pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 12:23pm:
The UN put Iran in as the chair of the human rights council.


I agree - madness: however, sorry to inform you the UN's madness results from your delusional 'individual rights/individual sovereigtny' ideology which crippled the UN from its inception (including the UNSC veto).


So if not by bringing together individual, sovereign nations to form the United Nations - then how would you bring the world together?


By instituting examination in the UNGA of necessary UN reform, including the need to eliminate the UNSC veto.




How is that to be done?

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