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Re: First day on the job
Reply #45 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:14pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:08pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 8:50pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 8:41pm:

Re: First day on the job
but not the first night? Undecided

It was his first day shift.
Either way kudos to him.

I agree, Setanta. Faraz came to our country, trained and got a job. A number of posters here say this is a bad thing.

We shouldn't have people come here to fill vacant jobs, they say. They steal jobs from Aussies.

And yet, those who say this are either immigrants themselves, retired, unemployed, on disability pensions or living overseas, taking foreigners' jobs.

Faraz, 30, they won't say his name.

It was his first day on the job.

No, it was his first day shift. You're not suggesting night shift workers not be paid their daily dues are you? It was not his first day on the job, it was unfortunately his last.

I most certainly am not. If this is so, consider this thread edited.

The truth is important here, Setanta. Thank you for the correction.

Absolutely, we can do without hyperbole, no? His actions speak well enough.

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 46551 Gender:	Re: A brand new day Reply #46 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:15pm What did Faraz do to stop the killer?
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16615 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: A brand new day Reply #47 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:17pm Frank wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:15pm: What did Faraz do to stop the killer? Well I doubt he got himself knifed running away. That's enough for me.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95920 Gender:	Re: A brand new day Reply #48 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:20pm They do, Setanta. A refugee came to our country, got a job and got stabbed to death. We offered him a brand new start. Ultimately, we couldn't help with that, but we don't have to trash his memory. We're free to say his name, no?
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Re: A brand new day
Reply #49 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:26pm

Setanta wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:17pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:15pm:

What did Faraz do to stop the killer?

Well I doubt he got himself knifed running away. That's enough for me.

Well, he wasn't providing security.
He probably thought the job was to walk around in a uniform.

TWO Pakistani security guards were stabbed, six people killed, another 18 injured.
It took a policewoman and two French guys to confront the bozo.

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Re: A brand new day
Reply #50 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:49pm

Frank wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:26pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:17pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:15pm:

What did Faraz do to stop the killer?

Well I doubt he got himself knifed running away. That's enough for me.

Well, he wasn't providing security.
He probably thought the job was to walk around in a uniform.

TWO Pakistani security guards were stabbed, six people killed, another 18 injured.
It took a policewoman and two French guys to confront the bozo.

If he stood up to the knifer, he was providing security. He may not have succeeded but if he was not trying to provide that security and ran away, I dare say he may be alive today. There is no evidence to doubt he acted to put himself in the way. That he didn't succeed in taking him down is not a dishonour to him, just as it's not a dishonour for any of our servicemen that have paid the same price but never succeeded to overcome their foe themselves.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105372 Melbourne Gender:	Re: A brand new day Reply #51 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:54pm Poor guy - in a low paid rubbish job where he can't even carry pepper spray but he's expected to take on a knife attacker with his bare hands.
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Re: First day on the job
Reply #52 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:07pm

JC Denton wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 8:06pm:

if he had never migrated to australia at all, he would still be alive right now

The Ahmadis are considered deviant heretical non muslims in Pakistan.

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Pakistan: Surge in Targeted Killings of Ahmadis

Pakistani authorities should urgently and impartially investigate a surge in violent attacks on members of the Ahmadiyya religious community, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and the International Commission of Jurists (ICJ) said today. The authorities should take appropriate legal action against those responsible for threats and violence against Ahmadis.

Successive Pakistani governments have failed to protect the human rights and security of the Ahmadiyya community. The penal code explicitly discriminates against religious minorities and targets Ahmadis by prohibiting them from “indirectly or directly posing as a Muslim.” Ahmadis are banned from declaring or propagating their faith publicly, building mosques, or making the Muslim call for prayer.

The authorities arbitrarily arrest, detain, and charge Ahmadis for blasphemy and other offenses because of their religious beliefs. The police have often been complicit in harassment and bringing fabricated charges against Ahmadis or have not intervened to stop anti-Ahmadi violence. The government’s failure to address religious persecution of Ahmadis has facilitated violence against them in the name of religion.

The Pakistani government also promotes discriminatory practices against Ahmadis. For example, all Pakistani Muslim citizens applying for passports are obliged to sign a statement explicitly stating that they consider the founder of the Ahmadi community an “imposter,” and consider Ahmadis to be non-Muslims.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/11/26/pakistan-surge-targeted-killings-ahmadis

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: A brand new day
Reply #53 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:12pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:54pm:

Poor guy -
in a low paid rubbish job where he can't even carry pepper spray but
he's expected to take on a knife attacker with his bare hands.

Having worked in security you're nothing more than a visual deterrent you don't have any real legal power to do anything

Security guards can be charged with assault.

It wasn't always like this i recall police telling me it's ok to take them out the back and bash the crap out of them times have changed.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: A brand new day
Reply #54 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:21pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:54pm:

Poor guy -
in a low paid rubbish job where he can't even carry pepper spray but
he's expected to take on a knife attacker with his bare hands.

Having worked in security you're nothing more than a visual deterrent you don't have any real legal power to do anything

Security guards can be charged with assault.

It wasn't always like this i recall police telling me it's ok to take them
out the back and bash the crap out of them times have changed.

I had a security guard as my next door neighbor once.
He was in awful trouble in court after he punched a drunk only once who had punched him first.
The drunk was knocked unconsciousness and nearly died.
The cops charged my neighbor with grievous bodily harm.
I'm not sure of the outcome as I moved soon after.

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Re: First day on the job
Reply #55 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 11:02pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:07pm:

JC Denton wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 8:06pm:

if he had never migrated to australia at all, he would still be alive right now

The Ahmadis are considered deviant heretical non muslims in Pakistan.

so that means he had to move to australia specifically did it? no safe countries between here and pakistan?

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Re: First day on the job
Reply #56 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 11:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 8:29pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 8:25pm:

Was the perp a normal homo ass

bandit or a tranny ?

He was a white, Aussie, Wallabies fan.

Thus, all white Aussie Wallabies fans are terrorists.

You dickhead loser.
It's a 'Kangaroos NRLeague jersey',
not an ARUnion Wallabies jersey. Roll Eyes

Also - does he, although 'white' represent your typical 'Palestinian' Terrorist in his 'behaviour'?
I think so. Wink

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Re: A brand new day
Reply #57 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 11:06pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:54pm:

Poor guy -
in a low paid rubbish job where he can't even carry pepper spray but
he's expected to take on a knife attacker with his bare hands.

Having worked in security you're nothing more than a visual deterrent you don't have any real legal power to do anything

Security guards can be charged with assault.

It wasn't always like this i recall police telling me it's ok to take them out the back and bash the crap out of them times have changed.

This is true. Times have changed.

And yet, all Faraz Tahir did was try to stop a killer.

Say his name.

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Re: First day on the job
Reply #58 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 11:08pm

JC Denton wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 11:02pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 10:07pm:

JC Denton wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 8:06pm:

if he had never migrated to australia at all, he would still be alive right now

The Ahmadis are considered deviant heretical non muslims in Pakistan.

so that means he had to move to australia specifically did it? no safe countries between here and pakistan?

Good question, JC. Why did Faraz choose to call Australia home?

And a supplimentary: why did you leave?

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Re: First day on the job
Reply #59 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 11:18pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 8:50pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 8:41pm:

Re: First day on the job
but not the first night? Undecided

It was his first day shift.
Either way kudos to him.

I agree, Setanta. Faraz came to our country, trained and got a job. A number of posters here say this is a bad thing.

We shouldn't have people come here to fill vacant jobs, they say. They steal jobs from Aussies.

And yet, those who say this are either immigrants themselves, retired, unemployed, on disability pensions or living overseas, taking foreigners' jobs.

Faraz, 30, they won't say his name.

It was his first day on the job.

Well he did escape his country because he was GAY !!!
Coming here to OZ

GAY

LIA where its safe and he wouldn't feel persecuted and attacked.

So he got a job where, like many jobs - the first day is the hardest and he got a disgrunted customer straight up like a Palestinian upset that the Plaza was run and owned by Jews.

Of course there are those who would have been angry at the sight of this man and his sickly shuffle of endorphined numbness for he himself was 'at peace' with his killing, knowing he was going to die because of it. They would have taken him out quite viciously and effectively - if given the chance. Just a pure 'reflex' action of knowing 'that violence'.
Fear is the Mind Killer and most wouldn't be able to think fast enough and thus - faced with the 'impossible', many hesitated, were confused, stunned and of course - scared of the 'legal' repercussions if they did anything at all.

Do you think Israeli people would have stopped him far earlier and more effectively?
I mean - they cop that stuff at least once a week in the middle-east, didn't you all know?

Me?
...well, I would have got out 'my knife'. Wink

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