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Reply #105 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:24pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:58pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:29am:

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 4:19pm:

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You and many people here keep pushing the racist stereotypes and fighting against closing the gap

What do you actually mean by "closing the gap"?

You've exhausted any good faith one may have misplaced in your intentions. You will need to earn that level of respect back before we start playing your still semantics dance.

You'll need to start by enforcing your own rules around racial abuse first,.but given you condone and platform that bullshit I can't see it happening.

Yet you're still here? go figure.

There needs to be more people with the voice of reason to cut through the hate that has found a home here.

Well hate to tell you ... it's not you.

Stay out of the wind the tickets will blow off.

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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #106 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:30pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:00pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:34pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:53am:

Boris wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:29am:

First Nations women and children are disproportionately impacted by family and domestic violence.

They are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to violence than non-Indigenous women and six times more likely to die as a result of family violence.7 Nov 2023

https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/13016#:~:text=First%20Nations%20wome...

And then?

What should we be advocating for to help reduce those stats?

Should we be working towards closing the gap?

Should we give them an advisory body to weigh in on what sorts of things we should be doing to help?

How do we help?

The only GAP in this conversation ... is the empty gap between your floppy ears SK.

As for an advisory body.... are you that stupid or is it a natural trait?

Aboriginal Australians have more advisory bodies than you can poke a stick at .... that's why the Voice failed ..... it would have been just another taxpayer funded divisive unaccountable Aboriginal bureaucracy.

And for all the multi $billions of taxpayer money thrown at all the advisory groups why hasn't the GAP already been closed?

Because it's an unaccountable bottomless money pit for corrupt Aboriginals and non Aboriginals glued to the gravy train.

And lefties like you are the biggest non Aboriginal spongers reaping the benefits.

They're simple questions...

You and your ilk keep frothing over these stats.

And then?

What's the point if you don't want to help change them?

Unless you've been living under a rock for 3 or 4 years with the amount of taxpayers money(mine & yours included) thrown at indigenous/aboriginal issues why is it up to individuals to help?

Why isn't there an expectation that the Aboriginals these programs are designed to help do something to help themselves?

Why with all the money hasn't the GAP been closed ... and why are all the Aboriginal activists crying/demanding more?

People like you are one of the biggest problems.

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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #107 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:39pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:00pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:34pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:53am:

Boris wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:29am:

First Nations women and children are disproportionately impacted by family and domestic violence.

They are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to violence than non-Indigenous women and six times more likely to die as a result of family violence.7 Nov 2023

https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/13016#:~:text=First%20Nations%20wome...

And then?

What should we be advocating for to help reduce those stats?

Should we be working towards closing the gap?

Should we give them an advisory body to weigh in on what sorts of things we should be doing to help?

How do we help?

The only GAP in this conversation ... is the empty gap between your floppy ears SK.

As for an advisory body.... are you that stupid or is it a natural trait?

Aboriginal Australians have more advisory bodies than you can poke a stick at .... that's why the Voice failed ..... it would have been just another taxpayer funded divisive unaccountable Aboriginal bureaucracy.

And for all the multi $billions of taxpayer money thrown at all the advisory groups why hasn't the GAP already been closed?

Because it's an unaccountable bottomless money pit for corrupt Aboriginals and non Aboriginals glued to the gravy train.

And lefties like you are the biggest non Aboriginal spongers reaping the benefits.

They're simple questions...

You and your ilk keep frothing over these stats.

And then?

What's the point if you don't want to help change them?

First step: Aborigines need to WANT to change.

THEN you can help them with that.

You can't 'help people who do not want to change.

You can throw billions of dollars and all the special services at them - if they do not want to change, it's all a waste. That is the history of the last 60 years.

When victimhood pays so well why would they change? Change means no lavish money f or nothing.

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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #108 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 8:38pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:57pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:13pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 10:07am:

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 9:10am:

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To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap.

The devil is in the details SK. I think you will find that those people demanding we "do the opposite" merely have a more realistic approach.

Do you think that not killing your wife is one of Brian's impossible standards for Aborigines to meet?

Do you think sending the army into to Alice to shoot all indigenous Australians on sight, or round then all up into concentration camps or refuges and sell tickets to hunt them is a more realistic approach?

Another dumb arse baseless statement.

You have it bad.

People on this forum, in this thread, have advocated for these things and despite their despicable nature, they remain unmoderated so one assumes that they are views shared by FD.

But besides, FD has exhausted what goodwill there was left in trying to converse with him, so I'm just responding in kind at this point.

I have yet to find a quote of someone advocating the murder/genocide or the detention of all aborigines in the Alice Springs area. Stop making strawman arguments.

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Reply #109 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 9:04pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 8:38pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:57pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:13pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 10:07am:

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 9:10am:

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To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap.

The devil is in the details SK. I think you will find that those people demanding we "do the opposite" merely have a more realistic approach.

Do you think that not killing your wife is one of Brian's impossible standards for Aborigines to meet?

Do you think sending the army into to Alice to shoot all indigenous Australians on sight, or round then all up into concentration camps or refuges and sell tickets to hunt them is a more realistic approach?

Another dumb arse baseless statement.

You have it bad.

People on this forum, in this thread, have advocated for these things and despite their despicable nature, they remain unmoderated so one assumes that they are views shared by FD.

But besides, FD has exhausted what goodwill there was left in trying to converse with him, so I'm just responding in kind at this point.

I have yet to find a quote of someone advocating the murder/genocide or the detention of all aborigines in the Alice Springs area. Stop making strawman arguments.

Nobody has ever advocated that Aborigines be murdered/genocide.

This is SadKangaroo being totally Communist and using propaganda like the son of Goebbels and it a total fabrication - he is an absolute liar.

he also says that not all or 100% of Aborigines commit violent crimes so that is acceptable - the fact that it's 600% more likely for a woman or child to be murdered is OK by him because it is not 100% - he said the rates of violence and crime is exactly the same for Aborigines as for non-Aborigines or disadvantaged Non-Aborigines - and that is a total lie.

I posted official Government data from official Government web pages - the Australian Bureau of Statistics and he turns a blind eye to it.

He is just a full on Commo - Soviet lacky - Red Rag - Stalinist Leninist - waste of oxygen

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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #110 - Jun 5^th, 2024 at 8:00am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 8:38pm:

I have yet to find a quote of someone advocating the murder/genocide or the detention of all aborigines in the Alice Springs area. Stop making strawman arguments.

I hate to break it to you, but to summarise the claims below, Boris has advocated for the army to be sent into the Alice to shoot all Indigenous Australians on site.

Then when I asked him to at least pretend he's not advocating for genocide, Grap without prompting chimed in to agree that 90% should be killed, with "maybe" 10% worth saving.

Grap then goes on to, and has repeated the claim many times adding the flare of calling it something like Abosic Park or something just as stupid as if it's a funny play on words about Jurrasic Park, that they should all be rounded up and segregated in hermetically sealed captivity and sell tickets to hunt them.

And while we're at it, Boris has also many times before claimed that ALL indigenous Australians do the terrible things he says, not just the bad elements in their communities.

This is the company you keep.

Boris wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 8:18am:

You people do not care about what is happening in the Alice.

And you call yourself Aussies.

Shame on you

The only answer is the army with guns and night patrols and shoot on sight

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 4:21pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 11:34am:

Boris wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 11:31am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 11:25am:

Boris wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 11:24am:

The Alice is out of all control

Do you care about there people in terror there?

Even in that group you took it from, did you bother looking at the comments?

Very few people support bringing in the Army and nobody is calling for them to start shooting like you are.

You've taken a headline and gone full-blown "this means we can finally kill them all!"...

Go live there

Can you at least pretend you don't want to kill them all?

Nah - 10% might be worth saving.........

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 11:05pm:

Give 'em a homeland - let 'em duke it out..... build a wall around it, have a hermetically sealed tunnel a la Jurassic Park under a sealed clear roof so visitors can travel on electric cars and observe the wildlife in action..... glass tunnel goes around in a huge circle and ends up back at the car park and restaurant.... perhaps down the track boutique hunting trips could be set up and rich pricks come in to shoot one or two as the bag limit states ......

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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #111 - Jun 5^th, 2024 at 8:14am

Boris wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 9:04pm:

Nobody has ever advocated that Aborigines be murdered/genocide.

This is SadKangaroo being totally Communist and using propaganda like the son of Goebbels and it a total fabrication - he is an absolute liar.

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Boris wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 8:18am:

You people do not care about what is happening in the Alice.

And you call yourself Aussies.

Shame on you

The only answer is the army with guns and night patrols and shoot on sight

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he also says that not all or 100% of Aborigines commit violent crimes so that is acceptable

Please show me where I've said these disgusting crimes that have been committed are acceptable.

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the fact that it's 600% more likely for a woman or child to be murdered is OK by him because it is not 100%

Again, please show me where I've said that it's OK?

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he said the rates of violence and crime is exactly the same for Aborigines as for non-Aborigines or disadvantaged Non-Aborigines - and that is a total lie.

Again, that's not what has been said.

A claim was made that out of the 81 women killed in DV attacks in the NT since 2000, 76 were in indigenous communities and this was being posted for perspective.

In that same time, 1579 women were killed as a result of domestic homicide.

1 death under these circumstances is too many, but the stats were pointed out because nobody posting seems to care about the other 1500 women killed if they can't attribute it to deaths within Indigenous communities., and I wonder why that is?

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I posted official Government data from official Government web pages - the Australian Bureau of Statistics and he turns a blind eye to it.

I've also posted stats, and to the direct reports, are your eyes also blind?

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He is just a full on Commo - Soviet lacky - Red Rag - Stalinist Leninist - waste of oxygen

I've been able to source all the claims I've made, with direct quotes from you and your ilk, or official statistics.

You're simply lying about what I've said to change it to something you think you can argue against, with the cherry on top being called a Communist.

At this point, I don't think you're even smart enough to know what a communist is.

Seems like you're the lying oxygen thief.

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Reply #112 - Jun 5^th, 2024 at 9:15am

There was also that new poster, forgotten her name, but she reckoned that all Aboriginal babies be steralised at birth.

She was happily cheered along and when i arced up about it, i was roundly abused as a "woke wanker" shitting on other people's ideas.

Quite frankly, i'm gobsmacked anyone would try to deny that these things are said. They've been said all day and night for years now.

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Reply #114 - Jun 5^th, 2024 at 9:53am

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2024 at 9:37am:

I don't suppose you can provide a quote Mothra?

Funnily enough Fleadriver, i can.

You going to do something about it, in accordance with your rules against racism?

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I swear that indigenous Australians must have some kind of idiocy genetic code.

The only solution I can see .... sterilise them all from birth.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1682285594/210

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Reply #116 - Jun 5^th, 2024 at 11:03am

Some excellent comments there... wassa madda you? Got a flea bite you bum?

It's Wednesday - hasn't your budget run out yet?

** dreams of Michael Mansell strolling through Abestine/Aborassic Park clad in his roo skin...... enjoying the freedom from Wharte Man's Oppression and the aftermath of Invasion.... now then - where's that healthy balanced breakfast? Ummm... said Mansell.... bit 'ard to find around 'ere.... no Macca's!! We're gonna need a new voice over that, let me tell you!! What, no royalty money - cuts off at the border? No trucks bearing Tim Tams...no grog shops .... no fishing rods to buy ... no cars ... no dole money .... no child and woman protection ... no law and order... no healthcare other than that witch doctor and his bone and stick ....WTF???

Only a Wharte Man could design such a place to punish the Abo, punch down on him again, for being outspoken and demanding his country back!!

76 out of 81......... 76 out of 81 ........... 76 out of 81 ........ 76 out of 81 ......... 76 out of 81 .......

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Reply #117 - Jun 5^th, 2024 at 12:44pm

mothra wrote on Jun 5^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2024 at 9:37am:

I don't suppose you can provide a quote Mothra?

Funnily enough Fleadriver, i can.

You going to do something about it, in accordance with your rules against racism?

Aquarius wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 7:45am:

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I swear that indigenous Australians must have some kind of idiocy genetic code.

The only solution I can see .... sterilise them all from birth.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1682285594/210

i would suspect ID aquarius is a russian or chinese bot , posting to create division and a less cohesive society. i would hope such a bot could be banned ,

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Reply #119 - Jun 5^th, 2024 at 1:08pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 5^th, 2024 at 8:00am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 8:38pm:

I have yet to find a quote of someone advocating the murder/genocide or the detention of all aborigines in the Alice Springs area. Stop making strawman arguments.

I hate to break it to you, but to summarise the claims below, Boris has advocated for the army to be sent into the Alice to shoot all Indigenous Australians on site.

Then when I asked him to at least pretend he's not advocating for genocide, Grap without prompting chimed in to agree that 90% should be killed, with "maybe" 10% worth saving.

Well, for now, let us assume that Grappler was being facetious about any game hunting or willingness to save only maybe 10%. Boris, however, is teetering on the edge of human rights. I could only surmise that Boris meant that he wanted the army to handle riotous behaviour. "Shoot on site" would be a bad idea for anyone. 100 riotous indigenous people would become 10,000 riotous indigenous people by the end of the week. Trust me. I know from experience. Reprimand 5 indigenous people around here, you will see 500 indigenous people show up by the weekend for some extra curricular activity through the mall and around town.

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Grap then goes on to, and has repeated the claim many times adding the flare of calling it something like Abosic Park or something just as stupid as if it's a funny play on words about Jurrasic Park, that they should all be rounded up and segregated in hermetically sealed captivity and sell tickets to hunt them.

The "most dangerous game" I presume? Maybe Grappler is showing how frustrated he is with the antisocial behaviour of indigenous people. I have been physically attacked by indigenous people, even when I was barely 10 years old. To cut a long-winded story short, the proportion of antisocial behaviour I have seen among indigenous people is probably 50-50 with those who are non-indigenous. Most indigenous people are fair to good people. Some are excellent people.

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And while we're at it, Boris has also many times before claimed that ALL indigenous Australians do the terrible things he says, not just the bad elements in their communities.

I don't think Boris has done that. He has made comments about indigenous people without the addition of the qualifiers. The subject heading of this topic is "behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines". Realistically, the subject heading should also be in quotes, as it is attributed to something Brian said weeks back.

There is no doubt most posters here could not string together an essay. However, we don't take this forum too seriously. IRL, the posters would have a different attitude if they were to confront the situations they talk about. They are just using these forums as a way to vent their frustrations.

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