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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #15 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 8:50am

Australia is holding Indigenous people to impossible levels of behaviour.

Let me just correct that for you.... clearly we are unable to hold politicians, their staffers (at least 60 each - wow), and public servants to decent levels of behaviour.... why then would we consider even trying to get everyone else, or any special group, to behave in a decent and reasonable manner? BTW:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/calls-for-the-government-to-properly-ad...

When you throw the rule book away... well - let's just say that Hamas (not Israel) murders pregnant babies in Gaza... (we take our grammar very seriously in the Third Reich ... I'm working on a list of the luminaries of The Ozpol Third Reich movie)...

SturmAbteilung Leader Ernst Roehm - John "Head Kicker" Smith

Deputy Fuhrer Hermann Hess - Brian Ross

Propaganda Minister Goebbels - the great divide

SS Leader Heinrich Himmler - mothra

Woolly headed theorist Alfred Rosenberg - Greggary Peccary/possibly great divide

Adolph Hitler - FTLW or LTYC if we can ever sign them up ... might have to settle for Sad Kangaroo....

Hermann Goering - Monk

Winston Churchill - freediver/The Grappler

FDR - Sofia/Gnads

Casting is such hard work.... gotta find a spot for Rocky and a few others... never in the field of human complexity has so much been owed by so many to so few ....

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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #16 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:38am

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 4:09am:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:02pm:

Brian never explained what he meant.

Perhaps he applies the same logic to Aborigines as Muslims. He has no right or even ability to criticise what they do, and expecting them to obey the law is cultural imperialism. They are the noble savages that he wants to lock up in national parks so his grandchildren can come and take photos of them.

Or maybe he doesn't see "them" as a "them"?

An utterly foreign concept to you and your cultivated audience however. Don't expect me to try to explain it to you.

They see themselves as "them", as apart from other Australians.

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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #17 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 11:54am

Frank wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:38am:

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 4:09am:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:02pm:

Brian never explained what he meant.

Perhaps he applies the same logic to Aborigines as Muslims. He has no right or even ability to criticise what they do, and expecting them to obey the law is cultural imperialism. They are the noble savages that he wants to lock up in national parks so his grandchildren can come and take photos of them.

Or maybe he doesn't see "them" as a "them"?

An utterly foreign concept to you and your cultivated audience however. Don't expect me to try to explain it to you.

They see themselves as "them", as apart from other Australians.

And as I suggested below - they see us as a 'them' as well. It's amazing how the self-willed blind always see from one side but not the other.

It is not 'we' modern Australians, with a few exceptions, who view them as non-Australian - they do that to themselves - it's an exercise in their own personal sovereignty as I've explained to dividie over and over... choice-mobile.... their choices, not ours, same as choosing to stick with the 'traditional lifestyle' rather than moving into the modern era.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24976 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines Reply #18 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 2:11pm I have asked Brian to give his opinion on what it is that he thinks are impossible standards for aborigines to follow. He has not responded.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84524 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines Reply #19 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 2:43pm Again - for perspective:- https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-coroner-nearing-the-end-of-domestic-... "Of the 81 women killed in domestic violence incidents in the NT since 2000, 76 were from First Nations communities."
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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #20 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:19pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 2:43pm:

Again - for perspective:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-coroner-nearing-the-end-of-domestic-...

"Of the 81 women killed in domestic violence incidents in the NT since 2000, 76 were from First Nations communities."

In other circumstances they would call that genocide.

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 46162 Gender:	Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines Reply #21 - May 23^rd, 2024 at 8:12pm Oh, just f&^ OFF!! Aboriginal poet Ali Cobby Eckermann wins Book of the Year at NSW Premier's Literary Awards https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/3f2b560d414cdfca34be8cba720c6589?imp...
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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #22 - Jun 1^st, 2024 at 11:26am

Mutual obligation will be reintroduced in a revived work-for-the-dole scheme that was intended to steer 40,000 Indigenous Australians towards meaningful activities but has been voluntary for the past three years.

The Australian understands only about one in four “participants” in the federal work-for-the dole scheme are doing any approved work or activities in exchange for fortnightly benefits.

The scheme, called the Commonwealth Development Program, is virtually dormant in many of the 1000 communities where it technically operates.

Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney told The Weekend Australian that leaders in remote communities were telling her they wanted the new scheme to have mutual obligations.

“One of the really strong principles of Aboriginal culture is reciprocity. I get the very strong sense that part of the desire for mutual obligations goes to that notion of reciprocity. Of course, the ultimate mutual obligation is real jobs, and you’ve got to turn up to get paid,” Ms Burney said.

“But what we’re seeing in some communities is very few people turning up for the CDP, because there is no financial obligation and it is voluntary, and that’s not good. That’s not healthy.”

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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #23 - Jun 1^st, 2024 at 2:48pm

Frank wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 11:26am:

Mutual obligation will be reintroduced in a revived work-for-the-dole scheme that was intended to steer 40,000 Indigenous Australians towards meaningful activities but has been voluntary for the past three years.

The Australian understands only about one in four “participants” in the federal work-for-the dole scheme are doing any approved work or activities in exchange for fortnightly benefits.

The scheme, called the Commonwealth Development Program, is virtually dormant in many of the 1000 communities where it technically operates.

Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney told The Weekend Australian that leaders in remote communities were telling her they wanted the new scheme to have mutual obligations.

“One of the really strong principles of Aboriginal culture is reciprocity. I get the very strong sense that part of the desire for mutual obligations goes to that notion of reciprocity. Of course, the ultimate mutual obligation is real jobs, and you’ve got to turn up to get paid,” Ms Burney said.

“But what we’re seeing in some communities is very few people turning up for the CDP, because there is no financial obligation and it is voluntary, and that’s not good. That’s not healthy.”

It's all systems go with state elections coming up and then the federal election...

Reciprocity? Where's the White set of treaties with every pissy little group? Where are the lists of demands from Wharteys for land enclosures and arbitrary assumption of absolute ownership of all land, water and resources? Where are the round table conferences and full respect for all views at all these 'treaty negotiations'?

You want - you BUY. We're not just going to give it all to you. EARN IT!

Does anyone actually believe this? I can understand how desperately Burney needs to try to catch up from way behind .... but really - they need a better spokesperson than that, since nobody believes in her any more after the 'voice' madness.

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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #25 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 12:01am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 2:43pm:

Again - for perspective:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-coroner-nearing-the-end-of-domestic-...

"Of the 81 women killed in domestic violence incidents in the NT since 2000, 76 were from First Nations communities."

So out of the reported 1579 women killed as a result of domestic homicide, from 2000-2023, 76 of those were from within First Nations communities in the NT.

Seems like you're at greater risk outside of Indigenous communities if you want to point at the stats alone.

You know, for perspective and all.

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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #26 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 2:16am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 12:01am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 2:43pm:

Again - for perspective:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-coroner-nearing-the-end-of-domestic-...

"Of the 81 women killed in domestic violence incidents in the NT since 2000, 76 were from First Nations communities."

So out of the reported 1579 women killed as a result of domestic homicide, from 2000-2023, 76 of those were from within First Nations communities in the NT.

Seems like you're at greater risk outside of Indigenous communities if you want to point at the stats alone.

You know, for perspective and all.

Since the year 2000, 76 of the 81 women killed in domestic violence incidents were in the Northern Territory. What of the 1579 women killed in that year 2000 to 2023 time period could you find about the ethnicity of the victims and perpetrators? Were many of them indigenous?

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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #27 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 6:47am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 2:16am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 12:01am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 2:43pm:

Again - for perspective:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-coroner-nearing-the-end-of-domestic-...

"Of the 81 women killed in domestic violence incidents in the NT since 2000, 76 were from First Nations communities."

So out of the reported 1579 women killed as a result of domestic homicide, from 2000-2023, 76 of those were from within First Nations communities in the NT.

Seems like you're at greater risk outside of Indigenous communities if you want to point at the stats alone.

You know, for perspective and all.

Since the year 2000, 76 of the 81 women killed in domestic violence incidents were in the Northern Territory. What of the 1579 women killed in that year 2000 to 2023 time period could you find about the ethnicity of the victims and perpetrators? Were many of them indigenous?

On a national level?

I'm not an expert but from what I've been able to find there is not a breakdown based on ethnicity like that.

This is where the data gets less reliable in this area.

There were more than that number of women killed in this time period, but this is meant to focus on domestic and family violence.

Indigenous family and kinship groups are much larger so it impacts the numbers and reporting, so a lot of that data is estimates.

Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander people, who were disproportionately represented in IPV homicide offenders (27%) and victims (27%) compared with their representation in the general population (3.2%).

That takes us to a fork in the road.

To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap.

The usual suspects however, are looking for justification to do the opposite and point to this data as reasons why they're unworthy of closing the gap and the more mentally disturbed point to that need as proof of the voice by stealth.

The motivation of the poster will determine the conclusion they choose.

Personally I see this as a problem that can be addressed by working towards closing the gap, but I'm sure the "round em up and shoot them" crowd will see things differently.

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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #28 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 9:10am

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To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap.

The devil is in the details SK. I think you will find that those people demanding we "do the opposite" merely have a more realistic approach.

Do you think that not killing your wife is one of Brian's impossible standards for Aborigines to meet?

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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #29 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 10:07am

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 9:10am:

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To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap.

The devil is in the details SK. I think you will find that those people demanding we "do the opposite" merely have a more realistic approach.

Do you think that not killing your wife is one of Brian's impossible standards for Aborigines to meet?

Do you think sending the army into to Alice to shoot all indigenous Australians on sight, or round then all up into concentration camps or refuges and sell tickets to hunt them is a more realistic approach?

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