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Reply #45 - Jun 3rd, 2024 at 7:53pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 7:27pm:
i thought that was stan grant for a second


That guy would have to add more tanning lotion to look like Stan Grant.
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #49 - Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:19pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:17pm:

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Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:19pm:

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #51 - Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:39pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:23pm:

Rest my case.

You are a berk.

Are you the disgusted Maggie or the parasol, idiotic cockwomble! Or the fascinator on the hat? Have you decided?

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Reply #52 - Jun 3rd, 2024 at 11:27pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:17pm:


Brian: Food goes in here. Amongst other things.
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Reply #53 - Jun 3rd, 2024 at 11:46pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 6:47am:
On a national level?

I'm not an expert but from what I've been able to find there is not a breakdown based on ethnicity like that.

This is where the data gets less reliable in this area.

There were more than that number of women killed in this time period, but this is meant to focus on domestic and family violence.

Indigenous family and kinship groups are much larger so it impacts the numbers and reporting, so a lot of that data is estimates.

Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander people, who were disproportionately represented in IPV homicide offenders (27%) and victims (27%) compared with their representation in the general population (3.2%).

That takes us to a fork in the road.

To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap.

The usual suspects however, are looking for justification to do the opposite and point to this data as reasons why they're unworthy of closing the gap and the more mentally disturbed point to that need as proof of the voice by stealth.

The motivation of the poster will determine the conclusion they choose.

Personally I see this as a problem that can be addressed by working towards closing the gap, but I'm sure the "round em up and shoot them" crowd will see things differently.


I responded to point out that you seem concerned that of the majority of domestic violence deaths in the Northern Territory being that of indigenous offenders was misrepresentation of the national domestic violence deaths. Domestic violence among indigenous people is 35 times the rate of non-indigenous.

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Between 2000 and 2004, there were 150 deaths due to assault among Indigenous Australians
in the four jurisdictions.
Indigenous females and males were nearly ten and nine times more likely to die due to
assault as non-Indigenous females and males, respectively.
The death rate was highest among people aged 35–44 years.
Source

Given non-indigenous Australians outnumber indigenous Australians in the year 2004 by about 19 million to 500,000, it is worrisome that there was 150 of the 578 deaths from domestic violence attributed to indigenous people -- between the year 2000 and 2004.
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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #54 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 12:09am
 
"I'm not an expert"

Doing great up to there...... your double inverted twist and multiple side-step with rollover trying to blame others was a beauty - pity you failed to land correctly and hit your head again on the parallel bars..

On those figures Aboriginous are liable to be killed at a rate of 1:3,333 - All Others at a rate of 1:44,393 .... let's say Aboriginous are about 40 times more likely .... that ain't small biccies.  Must be recist, eh, bro?

How do you propose to close that gap?  Get All Others to kill more women?   Wink

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Reply #55 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 5:35am
 
Brian what behavioural standards do you think are impossible for Aborigines?

Have you ever spoken to a real one, or just seen them on facebook memes?

Do you think they appreciate you defending them this way?
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Reply #56 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:24am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 3:03pm:
Hmmmm - shoot on sight.... your idea has merit... even you can hit one once in a while.


Nice try but you can't try to gaslight the notion that it was my idea, it wasn't.

I called.it out as ridiculous and you countered by supporting it, calling for the genocide of at least 90% of the indigenous population.

It's there in black and white.
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Reply #57 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:29am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 4:19pm:
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You and many people here keep pushing the racist stereotypes and fighting against closing the gap


What do you actually mean by "closing the gap"?


You've exhausted any good faith one may have misplaced in your intentions. You will need to earn that level of respect back before we start playing your still semantics dance.

You'll need to start by enforcing your own rules around racial abuse first,.but given you condone and platform that bullshit I can't see it happening.
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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #58 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:36am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 11:46pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 6:47am:
On a national level?

I'm not an expert but from what I've been able to find there is not a breakdown based on ethnicity like that.

This is where the data gets less reliable in this area.

There were more than that number of women killed in this time period, but this is meant to focus on domestic and family violence.

Indigenous family and kinship groups are much larger so it impacts the numbers and reporting, so a lot of that data is estimates.

Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander people, who were disproportionately represented in IPV homicide offenders (27%) and victims (27%) compared with their representation in the general population (3.2%).

That takes us to a fork in the road.

To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap.

The usual suspects however, are looking for justification to do the opposite and point to this data as reasons why they're unworthy of closing the gap and the more mentally disturbed point to that need as proof of the voice by stealth.

The motivation of the poster will determine the conclusion they choose.

Personally I see this as a problem that can be addressed by working towards closing the gap, but I'm sure the "round em up and shoot them" crowd will see things differently.


I responded to point out that you seem concerned that of the majority of domestic violence deaths in the Northern Territory being that of indigenous offenders was misrepresentation of the national domestic violence deaths. Domestic violence among indigenous people is 35 times the rate of non-indigenous.

Quote:
Between 2000 and 2004, there were 150 deaths due to assault among Indigenous Australians
in the four jurisdictions.
Indigenous females and males were nearly ten and nine times more likely to die due to
assault as non-Indigenous females and males, respectively.
The death rate was highest among people aged 35–44 years.
Source

Given non-indigenous Australians outnumber indigenous Australians in the year 2004 by about 19 million to 500,000, it is worrisome that there was 150 of the 578 deaths from domestic violence attributed to indigenous people -- between the year 2000 and 2004.


It certainly is.

There is no doubt that they're over represented in the statistics.

The difference is, a sane and rational person would look at those numbers and want to find solutions to help them and their communities reduce those numbers.

I wish I had the answers on how to do that, but even that is getting too far ahead of ourselves.

The numbers are being put in the spotlight as a deliberate ploy to portray all members of their community, of their ethnicity, as baby raping murderers, therefore rather than working say towards "closing the gap" or providing them any sort of help towards better infrastructure in their communities, better education and employment opportunities, we should instead be punishing them, withdrawing support etc as they're unworthy "because of the numbers", all the way to pushing justification for past support for their genocide.

Usually when a normal person identifies a problem, their normal human response is to look for a solution.

In this case the problem is being highlighted to justify hate.
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Re: behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines
Reply #59 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:45am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 12:09am:
"I'm not an expert"

Doing great up to there...... your double inverted twist and multiple side-step with rollover trying to blame others was a beauty - pity you failed to land correctly and hit your head again on the parallel bars..

On those figures Aboriginous are liable to be killed at a rate of 1:3,333 - All Others at a rate of 1:44,393 .... let's say Aboriginous are about 40 times more likely .... that ain't small biccies.  Must be recist, eh, bro?


It's not racist to point out facts.

It's the hateful conclusions you try to justify, the blanket statements that gets attributed to all members of their ethnicity and the calls for their ethnic cleansing that you follow up with that's racist.

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How do you propose to close that gap?  Get All Others to kill more women?   Wink


This sort of attitude shows you don't really care about the issue, you don't care about the victims or their deaths, you're just trying to exploit those deaths for your despicable end.

You don't get to pretend you care after that...
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