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Reply #75 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 12:06pm
 
LoL@Mothra.

I wonder why Mothra wants to lie about the rates of DV amonst Abos?
She's obviously the most racists person here and loves it when Abo women are bashed to death by Abo men.

There is also a massive First Nations disparity in terms of victims and offenders.

Forty-nine of the homicide victims in Australia identified as First Nations (35 men and 14 women) – that is, 20% of victims.

https://theconversation.com/new-homicide-statistics-show-surge-in-intimate-partn...


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Reply #76 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 12:35pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:06am:
mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:55am:
More compellingly, and a fact so utterly lost on this lot that i'm not optimistic repeating it but seeing as it's you, Kanga:

One will find, if one is genuinely trying to collate statistics, that the numbers represented in Indigenous communities are pretty on par in all communities which suffer from significant social and economic disadvantage.

I mean, we've only know that for decades.

They're a bit slow on the uptake around here though. They think it's more melanin related.


We are certainly seeing that shift with a whole problem approach in a general sense, from greater assistance for women at risk but also a greater focus on men and their issues from mental health to isolation etc to help address the causes and reduce those numbers.

But that does underline that the intentions of those bringing this up as an Indigenous problem, because of stats, simply shows they don't care about the issue and just want to try and justify their bigoted beliefs.

Especially when they follow up with notions that we should have more white people kill more women to balance the stats as a solution, which even if they're joking, shows they don't really care.

It's just another deception to platform their hate.




really?

and yet since the beginning of the closing the gap initiative and at a cost of many billions, aborigines (by the governments own admission) have gone backwards on 17 of the 19 measured parameters.(this stat is from year 2023)

clearly to continue pumping money into this is a benefit only to the grifters

the white psychologists and social workers and associated public servants on the gravy train

the aborigine (by the governments own stats) was healthier (mentally and physically) when being looked after by church missions and working as aboriginal stockmen
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Reply #77 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 12:43pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 10:53am:
Boris wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 10:29am:
First Nations women and children are disproportionately impacted by family and domestic violence.

They are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to violence than non-Indigenous women and six times more likely to die as a result of family violence.7 Nov 2023


https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/13016#:~:text=First%20Nations%20wome...


And then?

What should we be advocating for to help reduce those stats?

Should we be working towards closing the gap?

Should we give them an advisory body to weigh in on what sorts of things we should be doing to help?

How do we help?



no one can be helped if they are stuck in a victim narrative.

it keeps the person stuck

it takes away all agency and it makes it impossible to improve because it makes everything in your life under an "external locus of control"

you are thus powerless

even oprah (raped at 12, pregnant at 14, in a mental institution at 16 ) RAGES about the destructiveness of the victim narrative.

and yet it is the narrative the left ram down the throats of the aborigine

the racism of low expectations  Angry Angry Angry Angry
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Reply #78 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 1:24pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:36am:
It certainly is.

There is no doubt that they're over represented in the statistics.

The difference is, a sane and rational person would look at those numbers and want to find solutions to help them and their communities reduce those numbers.

I wish I had the answers on how to do that, but even that is getting too far ahead of ourselves.

The numbers are being put in the spotlight as a deliberate ploy to portray all members of their community, of their ethnicity, as baby raping murderers, therefore rather than working say towards "closing the gap" or providing them any sort of help towards better infrastructure in their communities, better education and employment opportunities, we should instead be punishing them, withdrawing support etc as they're unworthy "because of the numbers", all the way to pushing justification for past support for their genocide.

Usually when a normal person identifies a problem, their normal human response is to look for a solution.

In this case the problem is being highlighted to justify hate.


It is excellent that you admit that indigenous people are overrepresented in crime statistics. They only problem is that you do not seem that concerned about indigenous Australians being held accountable for their actions so that there would be a considerable drop in the proportions of domestic violence cases.

One of the ways to change this is to drop the "poor bugger me" attitude. The amount of resources being literally and monetarily given to indigenous people would be enough per individual to not be able to use as an excuse about poverty being a cause. The "I lost my land" attitude is invalid for any indigenous person under the age of 90 years old. Besides, indigenous people are owners of at least 15% of Australian land. And "I have lost my culture" is absolute rubbish. Domestic violence is part of indigenous culture as far back as time immemorial. Having a smoking ceremony, dancing around to the sound of the didgeridoo and clapping sticks and the murmuring of a tribal leader is not going to prevent indigenous people from smacking their wives and children around.

Being that I am not an accredited counsellor, I would be limited and probably unable to advise how to change people's attitudes to become more sociable. My area of intermediate expertise is psychology. But, I would say that I have about as much psychological knowledge as a second year psychology student. However, most social workers out there are just there to offer some insight into people's behaviours and offer band-aid solutions to help improve people's lives. Suppose there were any real counsellors and support workers out there that were not just trying to keep their jobs by letting their focus of attention grow, for the sake of job security. In that case, we might actually see very few indigenous domestic violence cases.

Until then, we can only assume that PM Dutton would consider equalising welfare help for indigenous people to be the same of that given to non-indigenous people. And yes, I did say PM Dutton. I cannot see Albanese making it as PM after the next federal election.
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Reply #79 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 1:49pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:45am:
It's not racist to point out facts.

It's the hateful conclusions you try to justify, the blanket statements that gets attributed to all members of their ethnicity and the calls for their ethnic cleansing that you follow up with that's racist.

This sort of attitude shows you don't really care about the issue, you don't care about the victims or their deaths, you're just trying to exploit those deaths for your despicable end.

You don't get to pretend you care after that...


Even though you were responding to Grappler, can I make it known that Grappler was implying that if indigenous people were kept to non-indigenous standards of behaviour, we would see considerably lower rates of domestic violence and that "gap" between indigenous and non-indigenous people. This is very much the topic of discussion here.

The fact that Grappler jokes about serious issues seems to be his sardonic way of handling a serious issue. How many times have you heard about a car theft, which seems to be almost always indigenous people, and wonder how their frickin' culture has any relevancy to perpetuating such crimes. Indigenous people traditionally speared the legs of troublemakers in their tribes, to keep them in line. If we are going to respect and allow that kind of culture to recommence, then of course we are going to see an escalation of domestic violence in the indigenous community.

Twenty years ago, someone mentioned in one of the earlier debate sites "if only Captain Cook had coughed and sneezed a little harder at Botany Bay. We might have been able to get things done better today". It makes you wonder about your own lives and how well off you are in an integrated society. I went to a high school where our own indigenous students had a mildly incorrigible attitude. But, once they got into the final two years of high school, things started to get serious and they acting as decent students. These days, you try to interact with indigenous people in their late teens and early 20s, they seem to have this attitude of invulnerability and above the law when it comes to dealing with non-indigenous interactions. The number of times women have been called "bitch" by indigenous people is way too many for any standards to accept. And if you fight one of them, you fight them all. They don't care if they are in the wrong.
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Reply #80 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 1:50pm
 
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #81 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 2:01pm
 
mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:55am:
More compellingly, and a fact so utterly lost on this lot that i'm not optimistic repeating it but seeing as it's you, Kanga:

One will find, if one is genuinely trying to collate statistics, that the numbers represented in Indigenous communities are pretty on par in all communities which suffer from significant social and economic disadvantage.

I mean, we've only know that for decades.

They're a bit slow on the uptake around here though. They think it's more melanin related.


I was going to scroll on. But, surely you missed the point. It is not the numbers that matter solely. It is the rate of domestic violence cases. If we were concerned about numbers alone, we might as well ignore the attention to indigenous domestic violence cases and focus on the majority of domestic violence cases.

For example, if you have 10,000 indigenous people in a community and there were 3,500 cases of domestic violence. Compared to 350,000 non-indigenous people in a community and there were 10,000 cases of domestic violence among them. Given the numbers of non-indigenous domestic violence cases, we might as well say that we should focus largely on the 10,000 case more than the 3,500 indigenous domestic violence cases. It would make sense, though, to do this.

The problem is in this hypothetical situation is that you are seeing 2% of non-indigenous people living in a domestic violence situation. Whereas 35% of indigenous people are living in a domestic violence situation. It is not the numbers but the rate of violence is the concern.
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Reply #83 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 2:07pm
 
Maybe Brian isn't talking about food.
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Reply #84 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 2:08pm
 
mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 8:35am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:41am:
But "closing the gap" is a trigger phrase to them and pointing to these stats is being done to argue against that, not for it.


Poor conservatives. Perpetually triggered by buzz words.

But let's face it, the buzz words were always intended to trigger. It's a fantastic distraction while the resource sector and every entitled white dude on a board gets fat.


Oh, is that why indigenous tribes get paid big money for mining companies to be allowed to mine on traditional but "lost my" land? A lot of fat aborigines out in the rural and regional areas.
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Reply #85 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 2:09pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 2:07pm:
Maybe Brian isn't talking about food.


It might be food to him.
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Reply #86 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 2:12pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 8:48am:
76 out of 81 women in the NT will not agree with you  .... but then they can't speak, can they?


"Not without some kick-ass smelling salts and a heater".

Sorry... sorry. I will sit over here now.

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Reply #87 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 2:17pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 10:53am:
What should we be advocating for to help reduce those stats?

Should we be working towards closing the gap?

Should we give them an advisory body to weigh in on what sorts of things we should be doing to help?

How do we help?


Oh, beautiful. BEWDIFUWL. I think we had a referendum last year on establishing another aboriginal industry to sit around and talk shite. But, had the "advisory body" been established, how would they have done things differently compared to what is being done now, in regards to lowering domestic violence rates?
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Reply #88 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:13pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 10:07am:
freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:10am:
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To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap.


The devil is in the details SK. I think you will find that those people demanding we "do the opposite" merely have a more realistic approach.

Do you think that not killing your wife is one of Brian's impossible standards for Aborigines to meet?


Do you think sending the army into to Alice to shoot all indigenous Australians on sight, or round then all up into concentration camps or refuges and sell tickets to hunt them is a more realistic approach?



Another dumb arse baseless statement.

You have it bad.
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Reply #89 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:16pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 2:28pm:
Boris wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 2:24pm:
Move to Alice Springs and enjoy the company of your favourite people


Cry some more.


Put up or shut up you sanctimonious clueless twat.
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