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Apr 23rd, 2024 at 1:09pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 12:50pm:
“It's not a question of reefs dying or reefs disappearing, it's reef ecosystems transforming into a new configuration,” says marine biologist Terry Hughes, from James Cook University in Townsville, Australia.


This is the very same Terry Hughes who declared great patches of it "dead".

"Two-thirds of the corals in the northern part of the Great Barrier Reef have died in the reef’s worst-ever bleaching event, according to our latest underwater surveys."

Terry Hughes

Distinguished Professor, James Cook University, James Cook University

https://theconversation.com/how-much-coral-has-died-in-the-great-barrier-reefs-w...

Now apparently it has only changed symbionts. Something that is entirely natural; unless you really believe Terry Hughes. Roll Eyes

Poor JM has been fooled more than once by Terry Hughes. It reminds me of a quote... something about being fooled once. Wink
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Reply #1 - Apr 23rd, 2024 at 1:21pm
 
Monk is easily fooled by conmen and grifters.
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Reply #2 - May 14th, 2024 at 6:24pm
 
JM likes to show the aperture for CO2 in his climate function. Wink

Now if CO2 is increasing, why is OLWR (Outgoing Long Wave Radiation) going up? Because according to the theory CO2 traps the OLWR and should therefore reduce the amount of OLWR.

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Not seeing it. Roll Eyes
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Reply #3 - May 14th, 2024 at 6:32pm
 
Monk is a conman and grifter.
He sells hair tonic down at his local backwater Tasmanian markets. So far, he still has bumfluff for a beard.
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Reply #4 - May 14th, 2024 at 6:50pm
 
OLWR -

Outgoing Longwave Radiation   -   Climate Model

https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/1/10/1520-0442_1988_001_0998_aeo...
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Reply #5 - May 14th, 2024 at 7:25pm
 
Poor JM -

Jovial Monk wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 6:58pm:
For the other easily duped idiot posting in “Environment” lees would do well to read:

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/10/10/1539


From his paper -

" The OLR has been rising since 1985, and correlates well with the rising global temperature. An observational estimate of the derivative of the OLR with respect to temperature of 2.93 +/− 0.3 W/m2K is obtained. "

So now CO2 doesn't trap OLR. It is the clouds. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Of course JM doesn't say how it both traps and increases OLWR.

And it even includes the precise graphic. Wink

"This substantial warm bias is identified at global scales over land (Allan et al., 2022) and may be linked to a positive energy imbalance of about 1 W·m−2 in the model's pre-industrial spin-up experiment and underestimation of outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) in the pre-industrial control experiment compared to observations (Tatebe et al., 2019).

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/joc.8169

Warm biases? Underestimation of OLR pre-industrial? But the science is settled. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


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"For this figure I’ve picked off a few model simulations from the CMIP5 archive (just one realization per model), computed annual means and then used a 7 yr triangular smoother to knock down ENSO noise, and plotted the global mean short and long wave TOA fluxes as perturbations from the start of this smoothed series. The longwave (L) and shortwave (S) perturbations are both considered positive when directed into the system, so N = L +S is the net heating.  The only external forcing agent that is changing here is CO2, which (in isolation from the effects of the changing climate on the radiative fluxes) acts to heat the system by decreasing the outgoing longwave radiation (increasing L). But in most of these models, L is actually decreasing over time, cooling the atmosphere-ocean system.  It  is an increase in the net incoming shortwave (S) that appears to be heating the system —  in all but one case.  This qualitative result is common in GCMs.  I have encountered several confusing discussions of this behavior recently, motivating this post."

https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/blog_held/46-how-can-outgoing-longwave-increase-as-co2-increases/
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Reply #7 - May 15th, 2024 at 5:41pm
 
Or another one -

"The greenhouse effect is well-established. Increased concentrations of greenhouse gases, such as CO2, reduce the amount of outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) to space; thus, energy accumulates in the climate system, and the planet warms."

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1412190111
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Reply #8 - May 15th, 2024 at 6:29pm
 
What about all the cities and the activity and lights that light up the night-side like fires.
Is the warming being affected or increased by the night side of the planet, when it should be the cooling side?
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Reply #9 - May 30th, 2024 at 4:25pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 4:14pm:
Nice warm day?

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New Delhi recorded its highest temperature ever measured on Wednesday — 126 degrees Fahrenheit, or 52.3 degrees Celsius —


Ouch!

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In New Delhi, where walking out of the house felt like walking into an oven, officials feared that the electricity grid was being overwhelmed and that the city’s water supply might need rationing.

The past 12 months have been the planet’s hottest ever recorded, and cities like Miami are experiencing extreme heat even before the arrival of summer. Scientists said this week that the average person on Earth had experienced 26 more days of abnormally high temperatures in the past year than would have been the case without human-induced climate change.



India is not alone. Note that there is no El Nino boosting temperatures. This is AGW.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/29/world/asia/india-delhi-hottest-day-ever.html



So there is no such thing as UHI? Grin Grin Grin Grin

https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/delhi-population

Or this?

"Record 52.9 degrees Celsius in Delhi's Mungeshpur was 'error in sensor': IMD"

https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/national/heat-wave-intensifies-in-north-cent...

or this?

"The Safdarjung weather observatory, which serves as the marker for the entire city, registered a maximum temperature of 46.8 degree Celsius on Wednesday, the highest in 80 years. It was six degrees higher than the normal expected at this time of the year, and the highest that the station has recorded since 1944. But it was substantially lower than the temperature at Mungeshpur, located on the northern outskirts of Delhi, bordering Haryana."

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/at-52-3-degrees-celsius-delhi-rec...

or this? -

"Tonga’s volcanic eruption could cause unusual weather for the rest of the decade, new study shows "

https://theconversation.com/tongas-volcanic-eruption-could-cause-unusual-weather...
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Reply #10 - May 30th, 2024 at 5:11pm
 
And then -

Jovial Monk wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 4:51pm:
He then mentions some other readings, higher than the one I mentioned, one of which was wrong, apparently. What relevance this foofaraw has to anything I don’t know.


The 52.3C as reported by Aljazeer was at Mungeshpur, so perhaps the NY times was wrong. Wink

"People in northern India are struggling with an unrelenting, weeks-long heatwave, with temperature in India’s capital soaring to a national record-high of 52.3 degrees Celsius (126.1 Fahrenheit), the government’s weather bureau said.

The India Meteorological Department (IMD), which reported “severe heatwave conditions”, recorded the temperature in the New Delhi suburb of Mungeshpur on Wednesday afternoon, smashing the previous national record in the desert of Rajasthan by more than one degree Celsius."

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/5/29/photos-north-india-swelters-as-new-d...


Never let a good crisis go to waste. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

And the IMD is still blaming the AWS. Wink
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Reply #11 - May 30th, 2024 at 6:16pm
 
So poor JM doesn't understand about faulty AWS. Apparently it means it is ok at 52.3 but not ok at 52.9. Wink

"Union Minister of Earth Sciences Kiren Rijiju addressed the anomaly in a post on X, stating that the recorded temperature of 52.3 degrees Celsius in Delhi is "very unlikely" and is not yet official. He indicated that senior IMD officials are verifying the data.

"It is not official yet. Temperature of 52.3 °C in Delhi is very unlikely. Our senior officials in IMD have been asked to verify the news report. The official position will be stated soon," Kiren Rijiju said in the post."

https://www.indiatvnews.com/delhi/imd-clarifies-record-52-degrees-celsius-delhi-...

But good enough for JM's purposes. Wink
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Reply #12 - Jun 3rd, 2024 at 1:49pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 7:53am:
More UHI  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


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Record heatwave unfolding in the Middle East.

Iraq 🇮🇶 records its first 50°C (122°F) in the month of May and Kuwait 🇰🇼 breaks its May national record with 50.6°C (123°F).

So let's see -

Iraq (actually Basra) supposedly recorded 50C in May. On May 31. Actually not.

31 May made 49C.

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/iraq/basra/historic

Past two weeks. Oh dear. Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Jun 3rd, 2024 at 5:10pm
 
Poor JM. He can't even verify the blogs he uses. Grin Grin Grin Grin

They said it, it must be true. Wink
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Reply #14 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 1:24pm
 
Monk is a drunk who plays 'spin the bottle' with himself when making predictions.  Grin
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Reply #15 - Jun 14th, 2024 at 12:30pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 2:08am:
Models doing well predicting temperatures:

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HOW GOOD ARE THE CLIMATE MODELS? In blue is the average of 40 of the top climate models. The lighter shading shows the range of results. Here is plotted the result for July 2023 - the models seem to be underestimating the surface temperature but its well within the uncertainties.



So if you only pick the top 40 all's good. Until maybe next year and we will have another Top 40. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Of course we can't check the Top 40 is sacrosanct and cannot be named. Wink
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 12:38pm:
Another thing that will happen as AGW heats the globe: more hail falls and bigger hailstones.



Well the BBC says "maybe".

"Rising global temperatures might be causing hailstorms to become more violent, with larger chunks of ice and more intense downpours"

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"As the planet continues to warm, areas where hailstorms are favoured are likely to shift," says Brimelow. "An area now where sufficient moisture is a limiting factor may become more moist and consequently, hailstorm frequency may increase."

"A combination of observations of changes already taking place and climate modelling has led researchers to conclude that hailstorms will become more frequent in Australia and Europe, but there will be a decrease in East Asia and North America. But they also found that hailstorms will become generally more intense."


https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220314-how-big-can-hailstones-grow

From the linked study -

"Here, using a novel modelling approach, we investigate the spatiotemporal changes in hail frequency and size between the present (1971–2000) and future (2041–2070)."

https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3321.epdf?sharing_token=GY5rAiZioi7yjDII...

direct -

https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3321

Ah "Novel" modelling. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #17 - Jun 18th, 2024 at 2:20pm
 
Monk lives too close to Antarctica.
he lives in the roaring 40s -  (he is at -43 degrees latitude )-
the vast circumpolar currents and winds that encircle the world in the Southern ocean.
Nowhere else in the world comes close to the harsh climate of the roaring 40s.
He lives there with a tropical dog called Socks.

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Reply #18 - Jun 18th, 2024 at 5:06pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 4:48pm:
lees has a sneer at “models” but that is meaningless.



Poor JM. The models have not been calibrated, verified or validated. "but they are good, believe me" Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #19 - Jun 18th, 2024 at 6:16pm
 
So after saying stuff about how useless I was he now thanks me. Wink


"Re: The pointy end of AGW.
Reply #35 - Today at 4:02pm Quote
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The changing hail threat over North America in response to anthropogenic climate change


Abstract

Anthropogenic climate change is anticipated to increase severe thunderstorm potential in North America, but the resulting changes in associated convective hazards are not well known. Here, using a novel modelling approach, we investigate the spatiotemporal changes in hail frequency and size between the present (1971–2000) and future (2041–2070). Although fewer hail days are expected over most areas in the future, an increase in the mean hail size is projected, with fewer small hail events and a shift toward a more frequent occurrence of larger hail. This leads to an anticipated increase in hail damage potential over most southern regions in spring, retreating to the higher latitudes (that is, north of 50° N) and the Rocky Mountains in the summer. In contrast, a dramatic decrease in hail frequency and damage potential is predicted over eastern and southeastern regions in spring and summer due to a significant increase in melting that mitigates gains in hail size from increased buoyancy.


https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3321


BBC article—worth reading in full:
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220314-how-big-can-hailstones-grow

Thanks to lees for finding these interesting article supporting my post on hail."

But he still agrees with the "novel modelling approach". Wink
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 3:06pm:
We are starting to see “atmospheric rivers” and those result in the dumping of HUGE amounts of rain—a warming planet with warming oceans sees more evaporation followed inevitably by precipitation.


"atmospheric river, any long, narrow, and concentrated horizontal corridor of moisture in Earth’s troposphere. Such formations transport vast amounts of water vapor—at flow rates more than double that of the Amazon River—and heat from tropical regions near the Equator toward the middle and higher latitudes. They serve as the primary source of horizontal water transport in the midlatitudes, providing more than half of the precipitation to coastal areas in parts of Europe, North America, South America, New Zealand, and Southeast Asia and facilitating the movement of more than 90 percent of the world’s moisture from the tropics to the poles. Most atmospheric rivers can be found in the North Pacific, Atlantic, southeastern Pacific, and South Atlantic oceans away from the tropics, and they produce moderate amounts of rain and snow. However, some atmospheric rivers are responsible for extreme precipitation and flooding events that may last up to several days in some regions. An average of four to five atmospheric rivers are active in Earth’s atmosphere at any given time."

https://www.britannica.com/science/atmospheric-river

But somehow we are just starting to see them. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #21 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 4:09pm
 
atmospheric rivers?

Climate alarmist talk.

How about heavy rain.  Roll Eyes
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 4:21pm:
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/ranking-atmospheric-rivers-new-study-finds-world-o...


"A new study using NASA data shows that a recently developed rating system can provide a consistent global benchmark for tracking these “rivers in the sky.” "

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"In the new study, scientists built a database of global atmospheric river events from 1980 to 2020, using a computer algorithm to automatically identify tens of thousands of the events in the Modern-Era Retrospective analysis for Research and Applications, version 2 (MERRA-2), a NASA re-analysis of historical atmospheric observations."

So they re-analysed weather, with a model, and found, surprise, surprise, it is worse than we thought. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 4:24pm:
Maybe that is why the El Nino last summer was such a wet, cool El Nino?


And nothing to do with huge amounts of water projected by a certain volcano. What goes up, must come down. Wink
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Reply #23 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 7:13pm
 
Thanks Lee -

Monk doesn't know.    Roll Eyes
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 10:07am:
Jesus, just as AGW is starting to kick our arses, the US does something really really stupid:

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/28062024/supreme-court-overturns-chevron-doct...


What poor JM doesn't understand it only removes the power of unelected bureaucrats the power to "interpret" legislation. It can still be legislated. Power that should never have been given to bureaucrats. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 8:19pm:
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The Southern Ocean plays an important role in determining atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2), yet estimates of air-sea CO2 flux for the region diverge widely. In this study, we constrained Southern Ocean air-sea CO2 exchange by relating fluxes to horizontal and vertical CO2 gradients in atmospheric transport models and applying atmospheric observations of these gradients to estimate fluxes. Aircraft-based measurements of the vertical atmospheric CO2 gradient provide robust flux constraints. We found an annual mean flux of –0.53 ± 0.23 petagrams of carbon per year (net uptake) south of 45°S during the period 2009–2018. This is consistent with the mean of atmospheric inversion estimates and surface-ocean partial pressure of CO2 (Pco2)–based products, but our data indicate stronger annual mean uptake than suggested by recent interpretations of profiling float observations.


https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abi4355



Poor JM - Models all the way down. Models are NOT data. Wink
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Reply #26 - Jul 6th, 2024 at 3:32pm
 

Lack of real science posts there backed by links etc to authoritative websites (Nature etc journals, ABC, BBC, NASA/NOAA/Copernicus etc etc) means OzPol is sinking in the SEO rankings so people looking for a discussion board see other boards long before OzPol pops up in the listings on page 13 or so.

THAT is why OzPol is headed down the gurgler—an idiot is in charge of an important MRB. [/quote]

Now the BBC and ABC are authoritative. They only repeat, which doesn't make them authorities on anything. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 7th, 2024 at 4:48pm:
“Certainly a pretty anomalous event that we’re expecting here, which looks like it will continue through at least midweek,” Asherman said.



Now even anomalous events are proof of AGW. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #28 - Jul 8th, 2024 at 12:23pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 1:21pm:
Monk is easily fooled by conmen and grifters.


Says the fan of Humpty!!!!
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Aussie wrote on Jul 8th, 2024 at 12:23pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 1:21pm:
Monk is easily fooled by conmen and grifters.


Says the fan of Humpty!!!!



Have you got a problem Aussie?
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2024 at 12:20pm:
Hurricane Beryl became a Cat 5 storm 2 weeks earlier than any other Cat 5 on record. Now in the southern US:


As Joe Bastardi wrote in December - If the water temperature in July is similar to August's water temperature don't be surprised by an early Cat 5.

As noted Beryl arrived as a Cat 1, not a Cat 5. It rapidly degraded to a tropical storm. And we have better tracking now than in the past. Roll Eyes
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Reply #31 - Jul 24th, 2024 at 3:20pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2024 at 2:48pm:
The little puke ruining Environment and OzPol shows his abysmal ignorance. Did not know about global average temperature. What a fucking clown!


Poor JM. Doesn't know that Copernicus uses models and not real world temperatures. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Of course, he also doesn't know about intrinsic properties. Wink
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Reply #32 - Jul 24th, 2024 at 3:29pm
 
And now JM thinks a baby scarcity is an environmental problem, not economic or anything else.

You would think fewer babies might actually be good for the environment. Less disposable nappies, less land fill. Wink
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 31st, 2024 at 7:18am:
I believe it was fear of AGW. World is warming, evidence exists that for the last 10 years the warming has accelerated.


Of course the "accelerated warming" is at the poles. But the Arctic still refuses to enter Al Gore's death spiral, and still exists. Wink
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Reply #34 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 6:31pm
 
And SST's -

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 2nd, 2024 at 5:27pm:
Sea temperatures not cooling either:

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Despite El Niño fading, the mean global sea surface temperature averaged over the last three months was the highest on record relative to any other April to June period...

Data from
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ERSSTv5: https://psl.noaa.gov/data/gridded/data.noaa.ersst.v5.html


The funny thing about the SSt's. -

"Monthly values for 1854/01- 2024/06"

They don't really know average SST's accurately back then.
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More -

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 8th, 2024 at 7:46am:
Here we show that the January–March Coral Sea heat extremes in 2024, 2017 and 2020 (in order of descending mean SST anomalies) were the warmest in 400 years, exceeding the 95th-percentile uncertainty limit of our reconstructed pre-1900 maximum.


So back to 1900 they use Reynolds ESTIMATED SST's. Estimations are not science, they are best guesses and  can never be data. And then - "The Coral Sea and GBR have experienced a strong warming trend since 1900 (Fig. 1f). January–March SSTAs averaged over the GBR are strongly correlated (ρ = 0.84, P ≪ 0.01) with those in the broader Coral Sea (Fig. 1f), including when the long-term warming trend is removed from both time series (ρ = 0.69, P < 0.01; Supplementary Fig. 4). "

That is before the IPCC say CO2 had any effect. So natural warming started after the LIA. Woopee doo. Roll Eyes

And also "The January–March mean SSTs averaged over the five mass bleaching years during the period 2016–2024 are 0.77 °C higher than the 1961–90 January–March averages in both the Coral Sea and the GBR."4

So corals with over 400 million years of climate cycles are sensitive to that small change. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

And then he talks about CMIP6 - you know those models that are running way too hot. Wink
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Reply #36 - Aug 9th, 2024 at 3:29pm
 
When Monk farts in his bed, he thinks its Global Warming in his dreams.
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Reply #37 - Aug 10th, 2024 at 3:04pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 2:18pm:
Lees uses WUWT or NoTricksZone to get his fix of AGW denial. Since AGW is real and since the globe SHOULD be cooling from natural forcings poor lees doesn’t really get far.



That's his level of debate. Won't look at the actual papers, just relies on blogs like DeSMOG BLOG. No criticism of anything he posts on his shite site, all's good. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 3:01pm:
Do NOT reply lees, you are BANNED from here, remember?


Sorry but I have replied, just not in your nonsense, anti-science, model-led site. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #38 - Aug 10th, 2024 at 5:16pm
 
And more -

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 3:01pm:
(Locked the thread to prevent the idiot lees from replying—and copping a forum–wide ban. A little ThankYou would have been nice but was beyond lees.)


He has such delusions of competence. Grin Grin Grin Grin

And when did he add the modification?

Last Edit: Today at 1:31pm by Jovial Monk »

Well after I wrote. Wink
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Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 11th, 2024 at 3:33pm:
Temperatures are increasing in line with predictions from the models.



Except in the Antarctic. So AGW is not Global. Wink

""Record cold temperatures were observed in our Automatic Weather Stations (AWS) network as well as other locations around the region," said Matthew A. Lazzara of the Antarctic Meteorological Research and Data Center at the University of Wisconsin-Madison (UW-Madison).

"These phases were marked by new record low temperatures recorded at both staffed and automatic weather stations, spanning East Antarctica, the Ross Ice Shelf, and West Antarctica to the Antarctic Peninsula."

"The highest point, Kunlun Station, recorded its lowest temperature ever observed at -79.4°C, which was about 5°C lower than the monthly average," added Prof. Minghu Ding from State Key Laboratory of Severe Weather at the Chinese Academy of Meteorological Sciences. "Interestingly, at the same time, record-breaking high temperatures were occurring in South America, which is relatively close to Antarctica." "

https://phys.org/news/2024-06-antarctic-cold-shatter-global-late.html

So if High Temperatures are symptoms of AGW is the reverse true? Or are high temperatures proof of AGW, whilst cold temperatures are merely weather? Wink
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Reply #40 - Aug 12th, 2024 at 1:35pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 12th, 2024 at 8:31am:
Before recent heating—and this was discussed but the idiot has forgotten it I guess—it was said that because of the 280ppm CO2 in the air Earth had an average temperature of +15°C instead of the -18°C it would have without any GHGs.


So according to NOAA "Prior to the Industrial Revolution, CO2 levels were consistently around 280 ppm for almost 6,000 years of human civilization."

https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/carbon-dioxide-now-more-than-50-higher-than-pr...




So +15°C for 6,000 years. So if CO2 were the driver of climate change, wouldn't that mean temperatures were stable? But that would mean the Minoan, Roman and MWP were figments of the imagination. When humanity soared. When they were mining in the Alsps, only now being revealed. When elephants crossed the Alps.

Or of course it was natural, and that means it could be some or all natural. Wink


Of course with HadCRuT they can tell the global temperature back to 1850 to 7 decimal places. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/crutem5/data/CRUTEM.5.0.2.0/diagnostics/CRUT...
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Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 5:12pm:
How close are we to tipping points?

—HM can the oceans warm before coral reefs die world wide? Lots of people rely on reefs for food, income, employment.

—ditto with land ice sheets?

The New York Times considers:
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Right now, every moment of every day, we humans are reconfiguring Earth’s climate bit by bit. Hotter summers and wetter storms. Higher seas and fiercer wildfires. The steady, upward turn of the dial on a host of threats to our homes, our societies and the environment around us.



Seeing as the IPCC sees no tipping points. No increase in global rainfall, Higher seas? They have been rising for 2,000 years.

Fiercer wildfires? What else do you expect when you don't reduce fuel loads? The total are burnt is actually less.

But for what the IPCC Physical Science Basis actually says see page 90 of chapter 12 with the explanations at the bottom. There is NO CLIMATE CRISIS. Tipping points would infer there is.
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Reply #42 - Aug 15th, 2024 at 2:09pm
 
So the highest SST's in 400 years for the GBR, as fare back as they could go. And they KNOW ocean temperatures back that far?

400 years ago? The LIA? Ocean temperatures are warmer than the LIA? Be still my beating heart.

...

Strangely the GBR historical shows similar temperatures to current, and all based on estimations.

"Highest ocean heat in four centuries places Great Barrier Reef in danger"

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07672-x#Sec3
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Reply #43 - Aug 23rd, 2024 at 12:31pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 23rd, 2024 at 12:17pm:
Don't be overly pedantic, Monk.

Weather forecasts change daily. Sometimes weather forecasts change hourly.

Climate forecasts change within the month. The Bureau makes concessions that variations in weather patterns happen. So, they update their climate models every 2 weeks. You can read about it on their website.

UnSubRocky's weather predictions: November should see above-average rainfall. December onwards will be a heavy rainfall season where I live.



Monk is very pedantic - he only sees the world from his tiny peanut brain.
He needs to stop stealing my environment topics.


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Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 8:27pm:
Here we use 0.1° global ocean model simulations to explore whether drift connections exist between more northern, temperate landmasses and the Antarctic coastline.



Models all the way down. Wink
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Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 7:26am:
A shocking new study has made startling revelations about the rise in global temperatures. A team of scientists analysed Pacific Ocean sediments and found that the world can witness up to 14 degrees rise in temperatures, far more than what the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has predicted.


From the underlying paper - which didn't even get a guernsey -

...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01531-3#Sec2

So precisely ONE model predicted 25C rise.  Two models post-1975 show a 1.3C rise and historical show a 5C rise. And they use CMIP6/PMIP4. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Hi lee -

25°C is bullshit - Monk doesn't know.   Roll Eyes
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Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 1:52pm:
As I knew would happen lees has “refuted” the above paper.

No doubt there were lots of  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

and some  Wink among the crap lees would have posted.


He can't even critique what was posted. Just too funny. Roll Eyes
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Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 9:03pm:
PubPeer comments:
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One possibility is that what the analysis has found is a correlation between temperature and short-term variations in atmospheric CO2.


I hate to tell you JM, possibilities are NOT refutation. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Now "lee" is doing half-court three-pointers.
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Reply #50 - Sep 14th, 2024 at 3:48pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:03pm:
Hi lee -

25°C is bullshit - Monk doesn't know.   Roll Eyes


Monk missed a decimal point.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14th, 2024 at 3:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:03pm:
Hi lee -

25°C is bullshit - Monk doesn't know.   Roll Eyes


Monk missed a decimal point.



Yet he reckons he's a scientist.    Roll Eyes
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2024 at 3:58pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14th, 2024 at 3:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:03pm:
Hi lee -

25°C is bullshit - Monk doesn't know.   Roll Eyes


Monk missed a decimal point.



Yet he reckons he's a scientist.    Roll Eyes


He knows stuff that you miss. And you guys know stuff that he misses.
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Reply #53 - Sep 15th, 2024 at 6:32am
 
Monk has referenced an article which contains a falsehood:

https://www.wionews.com/science/earth-can-get-hotter-by-25-degrees-shocking-new-...

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Earth can get hotter by 25 degrees, shocking new climate study predicts
New ZealandEdited By: Anamica SinghUpdated: Aug 28, 2024, 09:39 AM IST



The actual paper is here:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-47676-9

It says:

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Defining the relationship between the atmospheric concentration of
carbon dioxide (pCO2) and temperature is essential for understanding
present environmental changes and modelling future climate trends.
Geologic data can provide critical context, as well as possible analo gues,
for our future. For example, as compared to today’s global
annual temperatures of 14.5°C1, the middle Miocene (ca. 15 million
years ago; Ma)was 18.4°C2–4, equivalent to that predicted for the year
2100 using the IPCC RCP8.5 scenario5,6. Thus, studying the past 15
million years (Myr) may provide a series of climate analogues relevant
for possible near-future climates.


The actual rise is 4 degrees.

I did a search on the .pdf and there is nothing to back up the claim that
"Earth can get hotter by 25 degrees"


There is another site that also runs with the false story:
https://scitechdaily.com/earths-temperature-could-increase-by-25-degrees-startli...

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Earth’s Temperature Could Increase by 25 Degrees:
Startling New Research Reveals That CO2 Has More Impact Than Previously Thought
By Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea ResearchAugust 27, 2024
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Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 15th, 2024 at 6:23am:
In the Abstract:

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we calculate average Earth system sensitivity and equilibrium climate sensitivity, resulting in 13.9 °C and 7.2 °C per doubling of pCO2, respectively.


Note: Nowhere do they say that these modelled sensitivities are additive. Indeed how could they when the CO2 is modelled in both.   Quite apart from which "13.9 °C and 7.2 °C per doubling of pCO2, respectively" would mean 21.1 °C, not 25 °C per doubling.

And...

"For example, as compared to today’s global annual temperatures of 14.5 °C1, the middle Miocene (ca. 15 million years ago; Ma) was 18.4 °C2,3,4, equivalent to that predicted for the year 2100 using the IPCC RCP8.5 scenario5,6. "

RCP8.5? Oh noes. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Has anyone ever read "Chaos Theory"? JM subscribes to the plausibility of 'absolute chaos' in relation to carbon levels doubling in the near future. He is simply wrong.

Without control, chaos implodes.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 18th, 2024 at 7:11am:
Re: Record flooding in Europe
https://x.com/ScottDuncanWX/status/1835397563396096240


Except Scott Duncan doesn't describe the floods as "Records".

Flooding disaster unfolding right now in Central Europe."
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Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 20th, 2024 at 10:06am:
The danger of microplastics is real and increasing.



from The Conversation -

"The scientific evidence is now more than sufficient: collective global action is urgently needed to tackle microplastics – and the problem has never been more pressing."

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"More data is needed on microplastics in human foods such as land-animal products, cereals, grains, fruits, vegetables, beverages, spices, and oils and fats.

The concentrations of microplastics in foods vary widely – which means exposure levels in humans around the world also varies. However, some estimates, such as humans ingesting a credit card’s worth of plastic every week, are gross overstatements. "

It means send more money. Wink
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Not bad, lee.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 27th, 2024 at 9:02pm:
Helene’s Cat 4 landfall gives the U.S. a record eight Cat 4 or Cat 5 Atlantic hurricane landfalls in the past eight years (2017-2024), seven of them being continental U.S. landfalls. That’s as many Cat 4 and 5 landfalls as occurred in the prior 57 years.


And? Roll Eyes

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 27th, 2024 at 9:02pm:
Despite numbers of hurricanes being less than predicted does not mean that hurricane numbers are decreasing:


Actually the prediction was that they would be more intense.

"There’s now evidence that the unnatural effects of human-caused global warming are already making hurricanes stronger and more destructive."

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2019/07/how-climate-change-is-making-hurrican...

And they didn't have named storms before 1950. Wink



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Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 28th, 2024 at 1:59pm:
Deaths, damage from Helene:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/27/weather/hurricane-helene-florida

Not 4" but 4' of flooding.


Now flooding has a lot to do with runoff. Runoff is impacted by poor drainage. And subsidence. But not Climate. Roll Eyes

Ft Myers and Naples have subsidence problems.
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