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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Israel's existence illegal, until UN creates it Apr 25^th, 2024 at 3:12pm thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2024 at 11:31am: Quote: So the Israelis broke the law by setting up the UN-sanctioned state themselves, rather than waiting for the UN to do it for them - a capacity which they still lack to this day? Yes.
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Re: Israel's existence illegal, until UN creates it
Reply #1 - Apr 25^th, 2024 at 6:16pm

Round in circles... If you have ever wonder just how the CCP managed to starve 50 million of its own citizens to death through an "administrative error," this should give you some insight.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2024 at 6:05pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2024 at 3:58pm:

The UN doesn't have the ability to create states, only to facilitate the recognition of a state by its members. The UN is NOTJING without its member states.

Correct

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freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2024 at 3:12pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2024 at 2:56pm:

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Keep agreeing with you?

Only when I accuse you of saying the most absurd things.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2024 at 11:31am:

[quote]So the Israelis broke the law by setting up the UN-sanctioned state themselves, rather than waiting for the UN to do it for them - a capacity which they still lack to this day?

Yes.

I agreed with your ideologically misconstrued question; while noting an individual group cannot set up a UN sanctioned state by themselves when another group objects. Only the UNSC can adjudicate the matter - except that the UNSC is rendered powerless by your "individual freedom" delusions.

Catch-22. ...no need to apolologise for low IQ, you can still learn.

This "another group" being the Muslims who object in principle to Israel's existence?

Yes.

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Are you just making up rules as you go along?

No.

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Also, what is an "individual group"?

In this case, a group who wanted to carve a state out of other people's land (which was sanctioned by the UN) vote) - as opposed to the creation of a state (or states) under international law...law which is ineffective at this stage, owing to your delusioal "individual freedom" ideology.

Catch-22.

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Reply #3 - May 28^th, 2024 at 8:08pm

One of the biggest voting blocks, if not THE biggest, in the UN is the Organisation of Islamic Conference.

All the lefty mongs are cool with that, the blatant insertion of religion into world affairs at the highest level.

The stupid, ignorant lefty morons would be SCREAMING if there was a UN voting block called the Organisation of Christian Cooperation.

The left has no spine. Or mind.

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Reply #4 - May 28^th, 2024 at 8:30pm

'Housed at the Church Center for the United Nations, the EOUN is the World Council of Churches’ focal point for advocacy initiatives at the United Nations headquarters in New York City'.
It supplies horses and swords for charity invasions of the Holy Land, death to the ungodly and rapture for stars and stripes.

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Re: Israel's existence illegal, until UN creates it
Reply #5 - Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 2:42pm

It gets even more convoluted:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 1:26pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 1:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 2:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:55pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:21pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 12:36pm:

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

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Today, 146 of 193 UN members recognize Palestine

Oh good. Does that mean it exists now? Problem solved eh?

It means Israel is a criminal state as long as the Palestinian state doesn't exist;

Does it exist now that they have signed a piece of paper saying that it exists? Problem solved eh?

The UNSC, as well as the UNGA, needs to recognize the Palestinian state. But the US is a bad actor in the UNSC.

So now Israel's existence is illegal because the UN has not publicly acknowledged that Palestine exists?

(note: the UN consists of the UNGA AND the UNSC)

Yes, of course. The UNGA has overwhelmingly acknowledged the Palestinian state; the US - being a bad actor in the UNSC - is the ONLY barrier to the UN recognizing the Palestinian state.

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Do you have a copy of the form that the UN needs to sign?

No, the US does.

Do you think the UN has a copy of it?

Both the UN and the US have a copy, BUT:

the US - being a bad actor in the UNSC - is the ONLY barrier to the UN recognizing the Palestinian state.

So its actually America's fault, because they won't let the UN sign a piece of paper recognising that Palestine exists, which causes Israel's existence to be illegal?

Yes.

The Partition of Palestine, and the resulting two states, is UN law.

Therefore Israel's existence, in the absence of the Palestinian state, is illegal.

The US is the bad actor preventing the implementation of the said UN law.

The rest of the UNSC, and most of the UNGA, are ready to sign the law into existence.

Today.

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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: Israel's existence illegal, until UN creates it Reply #6 - Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 2:45pm Israel has delegitimized itself with mass murder, genocide, and brutal human rights violations. Israeli Jews have signed the death warrant for Zionism and have Judaism by the neck in a death grip.
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Re: Israel's existence illegal, until UN creates it
Reply #7 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 6:53am

The UN?

It didn't stop Israel from annexing territory.
It didn't stop Russia from invading Ukraine.
It didn't stop 22,000 women and children from being murdered in Gaza.
It didn't stop or investigate bio weapons being made at Wuhan.
Countries just do whatever they want - no one listens to the UN -
it's a toothless tiger.
It's not solving the world's problems.

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Reply #8 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 9:11am

The biggest power in the UN is the USA.

If the UN has failed it is because the USA profits politically from that failure.

In fact, failures by the UN reflect on the USA and represent a diplomatic failure by the USA.

In the Security Council, the USA controls the vote of the UK, France, and India. The USA has far more voting power in the UN than Russia and China do because the USA compels, threatens, or bribes countries to vote with the USA.

Israel is a terrorist state and has been a terrorist state since its inception and even before whereby Israeli terrorists were the first to use terrorist bombings in the Middle East and Jews murdered the first UN Peace Envoy in 1948.

Jews were the inventors of Middle East terrorism and bombings.

On 17th September, 1948, Count Folke Bernadotte, a United Nations Mediator for Palestine, was murdered in Jerusalem by a Zionist militant organization. Count Bernadotte's presence in Palestine followed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine and the subsequent unilateral Israeli Declaration of Independence.

The British administrative headquarters for Mandatory Palestine, housed in the southern wing[1] of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, were bombed in a terrorist attack[2][3] on July 22, 1946, by the militant right-wing[4] Zionist underground organization Irgun during the Jewish insurgency.[5][6][7] 91 people of various nationalities were killed, including Arabs, Britons and Jews, and 46 were injured.

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5429 Gender:	Re: Israel's existence illegal, until UN creates it Reply #9 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 10:12am The easy answer from the Israelis is "Come and take it"
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Re: Israel's existence illegal, until UN creates it
Reply #10 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 11:42am

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 9:11am:

The biggest power in the UN is the USA.

If the UN has failed it is because the USA profits politically from that failure.

In fact, failures by the UN reflect on the USA and represent a diplomatic failure by the USA.

In the Security Council, the USA controls the vote of the UK, France, and India. The USA has far more voting power in the UN than Russia and China do because the USA compels, threatens, or bribes countries to vote with the USA.

Israel is a terrorist state and has been a terrorist state since its inception and even before whereby Israeli terrorists were the first to use terrorist bombings in the Middle East and Jews murdered the first UN Peace Envoy in 1948.

Jews were the inventors of Middle East terrorism and bombings.

The 5 permanent members have a veto power:
USA,
Russia,
China,
UK,
France.

Which means that no law applies to them or their friends. Roll Eyes

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25008 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Israel's existence illegal, until UN creates it Reply #11 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 7:44pm From my lack of understanding of the Israeli history, Israel only exists because the European powers did not want to deal with Jewish refugees after WW2. The Jews already in Palestine after WW2 had paved the way for millions of Jews to settle there.
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Reply #12 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 8:04pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 7:44pm:

From my lack of understanding of the Israeli history, Israel only exists because the European powers did not want to deal with Jewish refugees after WW2. The Jews already in Palestine after WW2 had paved the way for millions of Jews to settle there.

In the era 1939-45 and before:

UK was antisemitic.

Europe was antisemitic.

US was antisemitic.

Australia was antisemitic.

Even Australian Jews were antisemitic and they opposed the migration of large numbers of Jews into Australia.

I remember the UK-descended father of one of my friends saying to another child "You're not Jewish are you?"

Even Australian-established Jews and US-established Jews were antisemitic. They didn't want foreign Jews joining them.

Super-Jew Alan Dershowitz said Jews were the worst antisemites.

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Re: Israel's existence illegal, until UN creates it
Reply #13 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 8:07pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 8:04pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 7:44pm:

From my lack of understanding of the Israeli history, Israel only exists because the European powers did not want to deal with Jewish refugees after WW2. The Jews already in Palestine after WW2 had paved the way for millions of Jews to settle there.

In the era 1939-45 and before:

UK was antisemitic.

Europe was antisemitic.

US was antisemitic.

Australia was antisemitic.

Even Australian Jews were antisemitic and they opposed the migration of large numbers of Jews into Australia.

I remember the UK-descended father of one of my friends saying to another child "You're not Jewish are you?"

Even Australian-estabkished Jews and US-established Jews were antisemitic. They didn't want foreign Jews joining them.

You're not Jewish are you?

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25008 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Israel's existence illegal, until UN creates it Reply #14 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 8:31pm Palestine in 1944. Before Israel existed.
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