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Re: Labor gives $3 billion towards junk degrees:
Reply #45 - May 6th, 2024 at 1:38pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 1:06pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 7:07am:
a lot of the law and a lot of medicine will be replaced by AI

in the law, chat gpt will be able to do a lot of the wills and power of attorneys and housing sales and contracts


Fortunately my daughters school doesn't teach them what to think, but to think.

As I said before, Uni is great for some but terrible for others.
Squishy people with squishy brains doing junk degrees is where it's going wrong and that's just a case of good intentions and bad incentives.

You can get a loan to study anything you want, so Unis make courses of anyone who wants to study anything.

A better idea would be to give squishy people a subsidy for a camper van, and send them off traveling doing fruit picking and farm work for a few years.



Therein lies the problem -
universities should only be teaching relevant degrees that lead to employment.
Arty farty degrees should be halted.
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Re: Labor gives $3 billion towards junk degrees:
Reply #46 - May 6th, 2024 at 2:29pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 1:38pm:
Gordon wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 1:06pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 7:07am:
a lot of the law and a lot of medicine will be replaced by AI

in the law, chat gpt will be able to do a lot of the wills and power of attorneys and housing sales and contracts


Fortunately my daughters school doesn't teach them what to think, but to think.

As I said before, Uni is great for some but terrible for others.
Squishy people with squishy brains doing junk degrees is where it's going wrong and that's just a case of good intentions and bad incentives.

You can get a loan to study anything you want, so Unis make courses of anyone who wants to study anything.

A better idea would be to give squishy people a subsidy for a camper van, and send them off traveling doing fruit picking and farm work for a few years.



Therein lies the problem -
universities should only be teaching relevant degrees that lead to employment.
Arty farty degrees should be halted.



The problem is the sheer number of university students, most of whom are intellectually not up to it therefore thwy are offered totally dumbed down courses.

Add in a very large number of full fee paying international students with sub-standard English and matching intellectual ability and you have the current situation.  There are very few degrees that still require intellectual rigour, mostly in the mathematics-based disciplines and because their accrediting bodies have not succumbed to woke ideology.

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Re: Labor gives $3 billion towards junk degrees:
Reply #47 - May 6th, 2024 at 2:41pm
 
Frank wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 2:29pm:
The problem is the sheer number of university students, most of whom are intellectually not up to it therefore thwy are offered totally dumbed down courses.

Add in a very large number of full fee paying international students with sub-standard English and matching intellectual ability and you have the current situation.  There are very few degrees that still require intellectual rigour, mostly in the mathematics-based disciplines and because their accrediting bodies have not succumbed to woke ideology.




That's right -
they should never have dumbed down the courses.
Even in engineering I'm surprised at what they learn now -
it's so different to what we were taught -
they produce engineers who don't have a proper understanding of the basics.
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Re: Labor gives $3 billion towards junk degrees:
Reply #48 - May 6th, 2024 at 2:56pm
 
Frank wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 2:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 1:38pm:
Gordon wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 1:06pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 7:07am:
a lot of the law and a lot of medicine will be replaced by AI

in the law, chat gpt will be able to do a lot of the wills and power of attorneys and housing sales and contracts


Fortunately my daughters school doesn't teach them what to think, but to think.

As I said before, Uni is great for some but terrible for others.
Squishy people with squishy brains doing junk degrees is where it's going wrong and that's just a case of good intentions and bad incentives.

You can get a loan to study anything you want, so Unis make courses of anyone who wants to study anything.

A better idea would be to give squishy people a subsidy for a camper van, and send them off traveling doing fruit picking and farm work for a few years.



Therein lies the problem -
universities should only be teaching relevant degrees that lead to employment.
Arty farty degrees should be halted.



The problem is the sheer number of university students, most of whom are intellectually not up to it therefore thwy are offered totally dumbed down courses.

Add in a very large number of full fee paying international students with sub-standard English and matching intellectual ability and you have the current situation.  There are very few degrees that still require intellectual rigour, mostly in the mathematics-based disciplines and because their accrediting bodies have not succumbed to woke ideology.



A combined law/economics degree will require nearly the same atar as medicine. If she gets into that she won't be around dummies Smiley
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Re: Labor gives $3 billion towards junk degrees:
Reply #49 - May 6th, 2024 at 7:13pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 2:56pm:
Frank wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 2:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 1:38pm:
Gordon wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 1:06pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 7:07am:
a lot of the law and a lot of medicine will be replaced by AI

in the law, chat gpt will be able to do a lot of the wills and power of attorneys and housing sales and contracts


Fortunately my daughters school doesn't teach them what to think, but to think.

As I said before, Uni is great for some but terrible for others.
Squishy people with squishy brains doing junk degrees is where it's going wrong and that's just a case of good intentions and bad incentives.

You can get a loan to study anything you want, so Unis make courses of anyone who wants to study anything.

A better idea would be to give squishy people a subsidy for a camper van, and send them off traveling doing fruit picking and farm work for a few years.



Therein lies the problem -
universities should only be teaching relevant degrees that lead to employment.
Arty farty degrees should be halted.



The problem is the sheer number of university students, most of whom are intellectually not up to it therefore thwy are offered totally dumbed down courses.

Add in a very large number of full fee paying international students with sub-standard English and matching intellectual ability and you have the current situation.  There are very few degrees that still require intellectual rigour, mostly in the mathematics-based disciplines and because their accrediting bodies have not succumbed to woke ideology.



A combined law/economics degree will require nearly the same atar as medicine. If she gets into that she won't be around dummies Smiley



Well, up to a point.
There are not a lot of international students in law courses, so that aspect of the dumbing down doesn't apply.
But Law is now the new Arts degree, as far as standards are concerned. There is also the College of Law exam at the end for those who want to be admitted as solicitors.

Still, two thirds of Law graduates are not working as lawyers. Yes, it is a good degree but it is more and more like a solid Arts degree was 50 years ago.
Some arts degrees now are like a matriculation was 50 years ago.

For a well-rounded, well-read young person I would recommend law ahead of Arts or Social 'Science', except perhaps the Classics or Music is she were so inclined. You still have to master things in these disciplines.

Economics is really Political Economy, so tread carefully there. If your daughter can handle mathematics, that would be better. There is glut of graduates trained in the talk/policy aspect of economics - treasuries are full of them - but very few of them can handle the maths.
ATAR is an indicator of demand more than of rigour in the humanities like law.

Anyway, good luck with it.
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Re: Labor gives $3 billion towards junk degrees:
Reply #50 - May 6th, 2024 at 7:21pm
 
well said frank


an economics law degree could see you filling the role of simon baker

if you are good at sales and sharp on the street skills, you get to be kevin spacey


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