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Reply #15 - May 9th, 2024 at 4:24pm
 
If all it takes is for Hamas to agree to it, why is it Israel's fault that it has not already happened?

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Yes, China sees geo-political advantages in working to establish UN res 242; they are happy for the US and its allies to condemn Hamas


Not Just US allies. Even Muslim countries and independent Muslim organisations have come to accept that Hamas is ultimately responsible for the suffering in Gaza, and are openly condemning them for the attacks. But not the CCP.
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Reply #16 - May 9th, 2024 at 6:18pm
 
freediver wrote on May 9th, 2024 at 4:24pm:
If all it takes is for Hamas to agree to it, why is it Israel's fault that it has not already



Because it's Israel's fault, quibbling over the meaning of  UN res 242 way back in 1967  -  which was responsible for Hamas' creation 2 decades later.

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Not Just US allies. Even Muslim countries and independent Muslim organisations have come to accept that Hamas is ultimately responsible for the suffering in Gaza, and are openly condemning them for the attacks. But not the CCP.



Er - most countries, like China, have not designated Hamas a terrorist organisation.

And most countries, including  China, now want all parties  (including Hamas) to implement UN res 242.

You? 

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Reply #17 - May 9th, 2024 at 6:25pm
 
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Because it's Israel's fault, quibbling over the meaning of  UN res 242 way back in 1967  -  which was responsible for Hamas' creation 2 decades later.


So basically everything the Muslims do is Israel's fault, not their own? All those terrorist attacks can be conveniently blamed on Jews "quibbling"?

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Er - most countries, like China, have not designated Hamas a terrorist organisation.


Are you having difficulty understanding? Here it is again:

Not Just US allies. Even Muslim countries and independent Muslim organisations have come to accept that Hamas is ultimately responsible for the suffering in Gaza, and are openly condemning them for the attacks. But not the CCP.
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Reply #18 - May 10th, 2024 at 11:33am
 
freediver wrote on May 9th, 2024 at 6:25pm:
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Because it's Israel's fault, quibbling over the meaning of  UN res 242 way back in 1967  -  which was responsible for Hamas' creation 2 decades later.


So basically everything the Muslims do is Israel's fault, not their own? All those terrorist attacks can be conveniently blamed on Jews "quibbling"?


Well...it takes two to tango, which is why we need international law.

But you - being  deluded by your posited "subjective" awareness of freedom - as opposed to freedom based on morality, justice and fairness - are incapable of adjudicating  right or wrong, or cause and effect.

So in your view, the Judeo-Christian imperialism which resulted in Israel's creation in 1947 is the natural order; others see it differently.

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Er - most countries, like China, have not designated Hamas a terrorist organisation.


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Are you having difficulty understanding? Here it is again:


No - you are having trouble understanding the concept of  adjudication to establish  'morality, justice and fairness' between different cultures, to engender the  freedom of both.  


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Reply #19 - May 10th, 2024 at 12:31pm
 
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So in your view, the Judeo-Christian imperialism which resulted in Israel's creation in 1947 is the natural order; others see it differently.


Others see it the same way. You support the same outcome, but but because they Israeli's "quibbled" somehow, whenever the Muslims try to slaughter them, its their own fault.

BTW, what the Israeli's did was the opposite of quibbling. The UN talked. The Israelis went ahead and built a functioning state based on liberal democracy. What you insist they should have done instead - wait for the UN to physically establish the country, even though they are still not capable of doing so, is textbook quibbling.

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No - you are having trouble understanding the concept of  adjudication to establish  'morality, justice and fairness' between different cultures, to engender the  freedom of both. 


Meaningless gibberish. Try again.

Not Just US allies. Even Muslim countries and independent Muslim organisations have come to accept that Hamas is ultimately responsible for the suffering in Gaza, and are openly condemning them for the attacks. But not the CCP.

Do you see anything in there about designating them a terrorist organisation?
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Reply #20 - May 10th, 2024 at 1:07pm
 
freediver wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 12:31pm:
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So in your view, the Judeo-Christian imperialism which resulted in Israel's creation in 1947 is the natural order; others see it differently.


Others see it the same way.


Those others being those who want UN res 242 implemented  - ie the international law which adjudicated on the conflict.

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You support the same outcome, but but because they Israeli's "quibbled" somehow, whenever the Muslims try to slaughter them, its their own fault.


Your error exposed above: "others see it the same way" - you didn't specify which others (...either as part of your deliberate use of fraud, or low IQ).

Implementation of UN res 242 was derailed by quibbling over the meaning of "territories occupied",  as opposed to  "the terittories occupied" (in the 1967 war).

(apparently a translation problem  from French to English: but the Israeli's milked the dispute over meaning for all it was worth...).   

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BTW, what the Israeli's did was the opposite of quibbling. The UN talked. The Israelis went ahead and built a functioning state based on liberal democracy. What you insist they should have done instead - wait for the UN to physically establish the country, even though they are still not capable of doing so, is textbook quibbling.


Er... you forgot the matter of the occupation of the WB after 1967, while Israel "went ahead and built a functioning state" - actions which are responsible for the creation of (reactionary) Hamas, because Israel was guibbling all that time over the meaning of "occupied territories" , as noted above.   

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Meaningless gibberish. Try again.


Er - interntional law...oh never mind, delusional  "subjective freedom" ideologues like you reject international law.

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Not Just US allies. Even Muslim countries and independent Muslim organisations have come to accept that Hamas is ultimately responsible for the suffering in Gaza, and are openly condemning them for the attacks. But not the CCP.

Do you see anything in there about designating them a terrorist organisation?


I see moderate Islamists and the CCP all agreeing that all parties including Hamas and the f**kwits in Netanyahu's RW cabinet need to institute UN res 242.
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Reply #21 - May 10th, 2024 at 1:15pm
 
So it is all Israel's fault because they did what the UN endorsed instead of waiting for the UN to do something they are incapable of. And that is why the CCP won't criticise Hamas for the latest invasion? Even though plenty of others, including Muslim countries and Muslim organisations are willing to?

Why is it that you keep avoiding this elephant in the room?
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Reply #22 - May 10th, 2024 at 1:15pm
 

China's Thousandfold Guantánamos
With China's assault on scores of leading academics and intellectuals, business as usual is no longer possible, writes Magnus Fiskesjö.


The recent mass arrests of scores of leading academics and intellectuals in western China is one of many indications that the Chinese regime's current campaign against the native Uighur, Kazakh and other peoples is already a genocide. It is now clearly engaged in "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such," as defined in the 1948 international Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

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Reply #23 - May 10th, 2024 at 1:22pm
 
It's kind of ironic that the CCP will clamp down on religion within China, and persecute Muslims especially, but are happy to promote Islamic terrorism elsewhere.
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Reply #24 - May 10th, 2024 at 1:24pm
 
freediver wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 1:15pm:
So it is all Israel's fault because they did what the UN endorsed instead of waiting for the UN to do something they are incapable of.


Now you are getting there....slowly. The UN professed to be the agency of international law, post 1945.

But the UN should never have voted to partition Palestine, without the machinerty in place to establish the articles of the law (namely, UN res 181). 

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And that is why the CCP won't criticise Hamas for the latest invasion?


No. The CCP wants to solve the conflict, criticizing Hamas won't establish UN 242.   

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Even though plenty of others, including Muslim countries and Muslim organisations are willing to?


Moderate Muslims are now also keen to solve the conflict. 

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Why is it that you keep avoiding this elephant in the room?


Because it's an elephant of your own making.
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Reply #25 - May 10th, 2024 at 1:28pm
 
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The CCP wants to solve the conflict, criticizing Hamas won't establish UN 242.
 

What about stopping the slaughter? Is that an end in itself, or do you think the body count must continue to rise until reality reflects the paperwork?
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Reply #26 - May 10th, 2024 at 1:30pm
 
freediver wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 8:05pm:
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China has a more balanced view of the conflict than you.


I am not talking about China. I am talking about the CCP.

What other governments share the CCP's view that Hamas is not a terrorist organisation and shouldn't be criticised for the October 7 invasion?

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For the same reason Guterres put forward: "the attack didn't happen in a vacuum".


Nothing happens in a vacuum. But he did unequivocally condemn the attack.



How can Australia exercise "power and authority over China"?
Australia better not mess with China. China is too strong for you.


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Reply #27 - May 11th, 2024 at 5:50am
 
China: "Australia's Military is the chewy-gum under the Chinese shoe."

Alexander Downer "Australia needs to act tough and show authority... like ask its 'master' - the USA to do something about it!"  Grin Grin Grin

Indonesia: "Australia is the USA's 'dog'"

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Reply #28 - May 11th, 2024 at 5:56am
 
capitosinora wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 1:30pm:
freediver wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 8:05pm:
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China has a more balanced view of the conflict than you.


I am not talking about China. I am talking about the CCP.

What other governments share the CCP's view that Hamas is not a terrorist organisation and shouldn't be criticised for the October 7 invasion?

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For the same reason Guterres put forward: "the attack didn't happen in a vacuum".


Nothing happens in a vacuum. But he did unequivocally condemn the attack.



How can Australia exercise "power and authority over China"?
Australia better not mess with China. China is too strong for you.




The only way Australia can defeat China is with free 'pussy'.
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Reply #29 - May 11th, 2024 at 1:26pm
 
freediver wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 1:28pm:
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The CCP wants to solve the conflict, criticizing Hamas won't establish UN 242.
 

What about stopping the slaughter?


Er -  you are confused again: the slaughter since Oct 8th is an affront to the whole world - including what happened on the 7th. 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-28/ex-israeli-pm-olmert-warns-ra...

Ex-Israeli PM Warns Rafah Attack Would Be ‘Risk We Cannot Afford to Take’

‘Rafah may be one step too much,’ Ehud Olmert says in Tel Aviv
Mass protests will force early elections on Netanyahu: Olmert


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Is that an end in itself, or do you think the body count must continue to rise until reality reflects the paperwork?


Even Oz voted today (Oz time)  to increase Palestinian rights in the UN today, a step toward Palestinian statehood: "the only solution to the endless conflict".

The Israeli UN ambassador is convulsing....
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