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May 9th, 2024 at 7:42am
 
What tradies really think of this divisive act   Sad
A carpenter’s clip of a client silently watching over a tradie on a jobsite has sparked a debate about etiquette online. Here’s what tradies really think of the act.

News.com.au
May 3, 2024

A carpenter’s clip of a client watching over a young tradesman at work has triggered a passionate debate online about etiquette on jobsites.

The Melbourne chippy captured the rather ominous footage and shared it with a renowned national social media page for tradies earlier this week.

The short clip shows a man with his hands in his pockets keenly watching a tradie hard at work, sometimes standing less than a metre away.

“No words were exchanged the whole time,” he wrote with the footage.

In a surprising twist, a number of tradies took to the comments section to defend the act and applaud the client for keeping the worker honest.


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A recent viral video showed a client watching a tradesman at work.

Tradies have long considered it one of their top pet peeves to be watched by clients.

“I must be the only one that loves when the client is there with me on site,” one tradie wrote.

“When I have a customer standing there with me I get them to help carry gear for me or hold stuff or go get stuff from my cat, it’s great, it’s like having an assistant.”

Another added: “If you have confidence in your ability, it should be no worries for them to see what you do.”

“I like it because I get to showcase exactly the extra effort that I go to get everything perfect.”


“If you’re nervous when the client’s watching you gotta be doing something wrong,” wrote a third.

One client even confessed: “I’m guilty of this, but it’s because I’m interested in learning stuff and getting a kick out of helping, not at all because I don’t trust them.”

While many were supportive of the client’s act, others said it was poor form.

“Price goes up for an audience,” joked one while another added: “Benefits of roofing”.

A study from almost a decade ago revealed that it placed among the top three customer behaviours tradies hate.

However, some people in the comment section of the video weren’t fazed by helicopter clients and even welcomed the opportunity to showcase their work.

Tradies discuss getting unwanted observers to buzz off

The topic was broached last year on a Reddit thread dedicated to construction workers as anonymous tradies toiled over how to ask for some space.

An electrician asked: “I know the saying is something like, ‘If you watch me, I charge you double’, - But how do you politely tell a client/customer not to watch you work?”

“I work as an electrician that does service calls. Some of my clients feel they have to watch over my shoulder while I work. I’m not sure why they do this?” they continued.

“Sometimes accidents happen that can cause an arc flash. I would hate for them to be looking at the device I’m working on, and it blows up.”

Another said making it an issue of safety was a go-to move.

“The people that get too close or want to help you just say, “Hey, this is dangerous and liability for my insurance. You gotta stand back, sorry man” or something of that nature,” they said.

One agreed that approach usually worked - whether it’s a legitimate concern or not.

“I have my own carpentry business, and that is the way to go. If I don’t want them to be around, I simply say that I need them 10 feet outside my work area per my insurance company’s requirements,” they wrote.

“Yeah, it’s BS and not true, but it works.”   Sad

Another said actually engaging the watchful client can work, too.

“I accidentally discovered that if I stopped working and spent my billable time just chatting with them rather than getting things done they moved on,” they wrote.

“You can pay me to work or you can pay me to chat.”

Why some people hate being watched at work

There’s actually a name for the dreaded feeling of unease that comes with being watched while completing work tasks.

The Hawthorne Effect, a term coined from a series of studies conducted at Illinois’ Hawthorne Works plant in the 1920s and 1930s, refers to workers modifying their behaviour in response to being observed in both positive and negative ways.

Numerous studies support its existence, but scholars debate its magnitude and implications.

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Reply #1 - May 9th, 2024 at 7:48am
 
Some argue that the effect is significant and can lead to artificially enhancemented performance, while others suggest its impact may be more subtle and contextual.

Studies suggest the Hawthorne Effect can manifest positively, including through increased motivation, productivity, and improved attitudes towards work when individuals know they are being observed.

On the flip side, some studies have shown that the awareness of being observed can induce stress, anxiety, and self-consciousness among individuals, resulting in performance anxiety and a reluctance to take risks.

President of the Australian Psychological Society, Dr Catriona Davis-McCabe, said the impact of increased oversight in the workplace is nuanced.

She acknowledged the role of oversight and transparency in measuring performance and enhancing productivity but cautioned against excessive intrusion.

“Oversight and transparency are useful mechanisms to measure performance and increase productivity, but it can limit individual performance if it is too invasive and onerous,” Dr Davis-McCabe told news.com.au, speaking broadly on the topic of oversight in the workplace.

“Nobody wants to work with someone looking over their shoulder 24/7.”

Dr Davis-McCabe said poorly executed oversight can make workers and customers feel “frustrated” and “undervalued.”

As for those not on a worksite, Dr Davis-McCabe emphasised a need for updated workplace laws to better reflect the modern work environment.

“With many workers now working from home we also need to modernise workplace laws to reflect this new way of working and what reasonable monitoring of employees is,” she said.
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Reply #2 - May 9th, 2024 at 7:57am
 
“Nobody wants to work with someone looking over their shoulder 24/7.”   Sad
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Reply #3 - May 9th, 2024 at 8:03am
 
Remember that old adage, part of my life story - "I prefer to work alone!"

I am a person who will function less than optimally if someone is standing over me..... if someone reckons they know better than I do - I mentally stand back and say - "OK - go for it!  If it's your job - YOU drink it!" ... not my problem if you want to reduce the value of your result.... idiot.
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Reply #4 - May 9th, 2024 at 8:08am
 
I didn't mind if the client was watching,  usually they engaged in chit chat or were trying to learn how you do your job and they didn't invade your personal space. It was the stareing from a meter away,  practically hanging over your shoulder that would annoy me. Not only was it an invasion of space but there was the added danger that they would get splashed with the paint.
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I wonder what some people think about cameras in the work place.  Never know when they are watching?.   Sad
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Reply #6 - May 9th, 2024 at 8:23am
 
The Tradies who hate it must have something to hide or like to take short cuts.

If the client is just there making a bit of chit chat, asking the odd question & maybe fetching the odd tool and such... what's the problem?

It would be another thing if they're telling the Tradie what to do or riding him/her.

After all it the clients money and the Tradie charges by the hour.

Much better than finding out after the fact that the Tradie has done a bodgey job and the client has to get back on to them to fix it or doesn't pay him because of it.

If they're confident & proud of their work/product what are they worried about?
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Reply #7 - May 9th, 2024 at 8:27am
 
whiteknight wrote on May 9th, 2024 at 8:13am:
I wonder what some people think about cameras in the work place.  Never know when they are watching?.   Sad


It's a demonstration of the lack of trust an employer has in their staff.

Spy cameras in the workplace are counterproductive.
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Reply #8 - May 9th, 2024 at 8:43am
 
John Smith wrote on May 9th, 2024 at 8:08am:
I didn't mind if the client was watching,  usually they engaged in chit chat or were trying to learn how you do your job and they didn't invade your personal space. It was the stareing from a meter away,  practically hanging over your shoulder that would annoy me. Not only was it an invasion of space but there was the added danger that they would get splashed with the paint.


Awrrrr .. I didn't notice you there until I turned with this tin of paint in my hands... - now I'll have to go buy a new can ... not enough left... it'll cost extra now.... hope that wasn't your best suit........ it's all on camera.... I did say to steer clear of the workers when they are going at it ...  OH & S - now you know....
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Reply #9 - May 9th, 2024 at 1:26pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 9th, 2024 at 8:27am:
Spy cameras in the workplace are counterproductive.

They're OK if the worker has one watching the boss and can ask him 'what are you doing now? Who was that you spoke to?'
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Reply #10 - May 9th, 2024 at 3:51pm
 
whiteknight wrote on May 9th, 2024 at 7:57am:
“Nobody wants to work with someone looking over their shoulder 24/7.”   Sad


Wake up and smell the roses WhiteKnight.
Americans like watching 'entertainers'.
Australians like watching 'workers'.
Always has been.
Are you some 'Unionist American' or something?
Women like watching men work.
Using the big hydraulic jackhammers in Elsternwick in Melbourne, I didn't mind wearing the fluro 'singlet' for the Jewish girls there while banging away for the odd smile.

Many people 'watch' for a Learning Curve and Education, for fascination at watching 'someone else work', to make sure they're not getting ripped off by some oily Tradie doing a crap job (can be very common), for 'social' reasons and many more!!

Any Tradie who can't cope with being 'watched' is either wanting to hide his/her crap work, is paranoid on pot, is up to no good, can't 'perform', is being limp dick, etc, etc.
As long as the 'Audience' isn't being intrusive to the work being done - there is not one issue for a Tradie excuse.
HTFU !

Good Tradies back themselves and aren't making excuses about their abilities and work results.

Like I said. It's always been a part of 'Australian Culture' for people to audience, watch and admire other Australians working. Hell, School Excursions into Industries have kids watching people 'work'.

Only 'dodgy' Tradies pull excuses about people watching them work.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #11 - May 9th, 2024 at 5:59pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 9th, 2024 at 8:23am:
It would be another thing if they're telling the Tradie what to do or riding him/her.


Had that with the base commanders wife in the Naval Base in Jervis Bay many years ago. Turned up to for a quote, she wanted some wallpaper removed and some painting work done which was fine. I would have loved to have done it because it was such a historical house (I love old architecture). But then she proceeded to tell me step by step, in minute detail, how it should be done. I suggested she get someone else and just walked out the door. I suspect she'd been reading up on her 'home decor' magazines Cheesy

If she was like that at the quoting stage, I'd hate  to imagine what she would be like once some poor bastard was stuck there. Or once it came time to pay.
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Reply #12 - May 9th, 2024 at 6:11pm
 
You weenered out. Why didn't you stay and then, after listening to her idea about it all -  go on and instruct her how it 'will' be done and why? Why couldn't you work 'with' her?

Was it because she was a woman?
Was it because she knew more than you?
Was it because her expectation was higher than your ability?
Etc, etc.

You walked out with meatballs in your cheeks Mimo.
You're a 'lame' Tradie.  Grin
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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