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May 17^th, 2024 at 1:09pm

"A new tariff that will charge solar panel owners for exporting their energy during the middle of the day could discourage solar uptake, consumer groups say.

Ausgrid, which has about 280,000 customers in New South Wales with rooftop solar panels, has introduced a two-way tariff system to incentivise solar panel owners to export their power into the grid in the evening, when it is most needed.

This will include a charge to solar panel owners of 1.2 cents a kilowatt hour to send electricity to the grid between 10am and 3pm once exports hit above a free threshold."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/17/energy-companies-...

10am to 3pm? That's when the solar panels are at their most "efficient". Roll Eyes

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Reply #1 - May 17^th, 2024 at 1:29pm

lee wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 1:09pm:

"A new tariff that will charge solar panel owners for exporting their energy during the middle of the day could discourage solar uptake, consumer groups say.

Ausgrid, which has about 280,000 customers in New South Wales with rooftop solar panels, has introduced a two-way tariff system to incentivise solar panel owners to export their power into the grid in the evening, when it is most needed.

This will include a charge to solar panel owners of 1.2 cents a kilowatt hour to send electricity to the grid between 10am and 3pm once exports hit above a free threshold."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/17/energy-companies-...

10am to 3pm? That's when the solar panels are at their most "efficient". Roll Eyes

Yes, charging consumers for their own free energy produced by the sun is the mother of all market failures.

If AGW climate change predictions are real, the BIS/IMF will have to buy the entire global fossil fuel industry, to enable transition to renewables ASAP in ALL countries regardless of resource endowment. End of the free market.

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Reply #3 - May 17^th, 2024 at 5:12pm

lee wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 1:09pm:

"A new tariff that will charge solar panel owners for exporting their energy during the middle of the day could discourage solar uptake, consumer groups say.

Ausgrid, which has about 280,000 customers in New South Wales with rooftop solar panels, has introduced a two-way tariff system to incentivise solar panel owners to export their power into the grid in the evening, when it is most needed.

This will include a charge to solar panel owners of 1.2 cents a kilowatt hour to send electricity to the grid between 10am and 3pm once exports hit above a free threshold."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/17/energy-companies-...

10am to 3pm? That's when the solar panels are at their most "efficient". Roll Eyes

How do you export power in the evening when their is little or no sunlight ??

They already rip people off when there is excess energy on the grid. Why don't they give that excess energy away to the neighbours for free ?? This is what privitization does Sad

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Re: Household solar woes
Reply #4 - May 17^th, 2024 at 5:15pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 5:12pm:

lee wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 1:09pm:

"A new tariff that will charge solar panel owners for exporting their energy during the middle of the day could discourage solar uptake, consumer groups say.

Ausgrid, which has about 280,000 customers in New South Wales with rooftop solar panels, has introduced a two-way tariff system to incentivise solar panel owners to export their power into the grid in the evening, when it is most needed.

This will include a charge to solar panel owners of 1.2 cents a kilowatt hour to send electricity to the grid between 10am and 3pm once exports hit above a free threshold."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/17/energy-companies-...

10am to 3pm? That's when the solar panels are at their most "efficient". Roll Eyes

How do you export power in the evening when their is little or no sunlight ??

They already rip people off when their is excess energy on the grid. Why don't they give that excess energy away to the neighbors for free ?? This is what privatization does Sad

Hi sir Nail,
if you have solar panels you're gunna get screwed over.

It was the same with running cars on gas back in the 1980s -
when it first came out it was marvelous then the Govt taxed the hell out of it
so it was no better than petrol.

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Reply #5 - May 17^th, 2024 at 5:21pm

Bobby. wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 5:15pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 5:12pm:

lee wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 1:09pm:

"A new tariff that will charge solar panel owners for exporting their energy during the middle of the day could discourage solar uptake, consumer groups say.

Ausgrid, which has about 280,000 customers in New South Wales with rooftop solar panels, has introduced a two-way tariff system to incentivise solar panel owners to export their power into the grid in the evening, when it is most needed.

This will include a charge to solar panel owners of 1.2 cents a kilowatt hour to send electricity to the grid between 10am and 3pm once exports hit above a free threshold."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/17/energy-companies-...

10am to 3pm? That's when the solar panels are at their most "efficient". Roll Eyes

How do you export power in the evening when their is little or no sunlight ??

They already rip people off when their is excess energy on the grid. Why don't they give that excess energy away to the neighbors for free ?? This is what privatization does Sad

Hi sir Nail,
if you have solar panels you're gunna get screwed over.

It was the same with running cars on gas back in the 1980s -
when it first came out it was marvelous then the Govt taxed the hell out of it
so it was no better than petrol.

They lied to us when they said that if they remove and replaced the old mechanical meters that gave parity on feedins that we would save $$$$$ with these new dumb meters. Nothing could be further from the truth. These pollies are lying pieces of sh.t Sad

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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.

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Re: Household solar woes
Reply #6 - May 17^th, 2024 at 5:28pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 5:21pm:

They lied to us when they said that if they remove and replaced the old mechanical meters that gave parity on feedins that we would save $$$$$ with these new dumb meters. Nothing could be further from the truth. These pollies are lying pieces of sh.t Sad

That's correct Nail,
the Pollys are professional liars.
In Victoria it was illegal to prevent them from changing your electric usage,
mechanical meter over to a smart meter.
Feeding power in ran the old mechanical meter backwards.
Not anymore - now you have to pay them.

The only way to avoid it is to install a $10K expensive and dangerous battery
that can catch fire and burn your house down.

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Reply #7 - May 18^th, 2024 at 6:31pm

This has to be a f..king joke.

If I was in aus and wanted to invest this way I would go for batteries, change my wiring and go low energy lights ...etc so I only used my own power always first and only when that was depleted would I draw on the grid. basically I would want to stop using them and paying them where possible. I would have a system that calculated how much power I need until morning and then push to grid so they nearly always pay me.

Screw them.

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Reply #8 - May 18^th, 2024 at 8:38pm

Super Nova wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 6:31pm:

This has to be a f..king joke.

If I was in aus and wanted to invest this way I would go for batteries, change my wiring and go low energy lights ...etc so I only used my own power always first and only when that was depleted would I draw on the grid. basically I would want to stop using them and paying them where possible. I would have a system that calculated how much power I need until morning and then push to grid so they nearly always pay me.

Screw them.

I don't know this is much different than the usual drop in FIT(feed in tariff) we get. I pay ~32c@KwH and get 7c@KwH for FIT. They get our excess "green energy" to sell for at least one third of what it is on sold for and we already pay to be connected to their network. I guess I could stand on the roof with a torch to provide evening power.

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Reply #9 - May 18^th, 2024 at 8:42pm

Setanta wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 8:38pm:

Super Nova wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 6:31pm:

This has to be a f..king joke.

If I was in aus and wanted to invest this way I would go for batteries, change my wiring and go low energy lights ...etc so I only used my own power always first and only when that was depleted would I draw on the grid. basically I would want to stop using them and paying them where possible. I would have a system that calculated how much power I need until morning and then push to grid so they nearly always pay me.

Screw them.

I don't know this is much different than the usual drop in FIT(feed in tariff) we get. I pay ~32c@KwH and get 7c@KwH for FIT. They get our excess "green energy" to sell for at least one third of what it is on sold for and we already pay to be connected to their network. I guess I could stand on the roof with a torch to provide evening power.

There was some inquiry about it which the electricity providers won.
Their argument was that a major cost of theirs was the upkeep of the
power lines and if the feed in was 1 to 1 it wouldn't be fair.

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Reply #10 - May 18^th, 2024 at 8:54pm

Bobby. wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 8:42pm:

Setanta wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 8:38pm:

Super Nova wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 6:31pm:

This has to be a f..king joke.

If I was in aus and wanted to invest this way I would go for batteries, change my wiring and go low energy lights ...etc so I only used my own power always first and only when that was depleted would I draw on the grid. basically I would want to stop using them and paying them where possible. I would have a system that calculated how much power I need until morning and then push to grid so they nearly always pay me.

Screw them.

I don't know this is much different than the usual drop in FIT(feed in tariff) we get. I pay ~32c@KwH and get 7c@KwH for FIT. They get our excess "green energy" to sell for at least one third of what it is on sold for and we already pay to be connected to their network. I guess I could stand on the roof with a torch to provide evening power.

There was some inquiry about it which the electricity providers won.
Their argument was that a major cost of theirs was the upkeep of the
power lines and if the feed in was 1 to 1 it wouldn't be fair.

The lines need to be there either way, it's not a loss. If they want to treat us as wholesalers then they need to pay as such. Perhaps we need a solar roof co-op.

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Reply #11 - May 18^th, 2024 at 8:56pm

Setanta wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 8:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 8:42pm:

Setanta wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 8:38pm:

Super Nova wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 6:31pm:

This has to be a f..king joke.

If I was in aus and wanted to invest this way I would go for batteries, change my wiring and go low energy lights ...etc so I only used my own power always first and only when that was depleted would I draw on the grid. basically I would want to stop using them and paying them where possible. I would have a system that calculated how much power I need until morning and then push to grid so they nearly always pay me.

Screw them.

I don't know this is much different than the usual drop in FIT(feed in tariff) we get. I pay ~32c@KwH and get 7c@KwH for FIT. They get our excess "green energy" to sell for at least one third of what it is on sold for and we already pay to be connected to their network. I guess I could stand on the roof with a torch to provide evening power.

There was some inquiry about it which the electricity providers won.
Their argument was that a major cost of theirs was the upkeep of the
power lines and if the feed in was 1 to 1 it wouldn't be fair.

The lines need to be there either way, it's not a loss. If they want to treat us as wholesalers then they need to pay as such. Perhaps we need a solar roof co-op.

Maybe?

and maybe they bribed the inquiry members?

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12653 Gender:	Re: Household solar woes Reply #12 - May 19^th, 2024 at 12:45pm The problem is trying to keep the free market and private for profit producers and providers, to transition to a green economy doesn't work, hence the current madness being discussed in this thread. Bad news for all you 'small government' free-marketeers....
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17409 Gender:	Re: Household solar woes Reply #13 - May 19^th, 2024 at 6:06pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 12:45pm: Bad news for all you 'small government' free-marketeers.... So tell us the successes of BIG government. USSR perhaps?
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Reply #14 - May 19^th, 2024 at 6:27pm

lee wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 6:06pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 12:45pm:

Bad news for all you 'small government' free-marketeers....

So tell us the successes of BIG government. USSR perhaps? Wink

Er...

1. the USSR wasn't faced with transitioning to the green economy; now the whole world is.

2. the economic failure around the globe at present - nearly every nation is reporting "economic difficulties" - is happening under the current dominant neoliberal 'small government' ideology (from the hopeless IMF down).

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