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Reply #1365 - Jan 15^th, 2025 at 9:21am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 9:09am:

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 9:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 8:26am:

Trump (the rapist) said - on numerous occasions - that he would end the war within 24 hours of being sworn in as President.

However, he then went on to say - also on numerous occasions - that he would end the war once he won the election.

He promised to end the war as President elect.

So, why hasn't he done it?

He's sorting Gaza first:

Well, Joe is sorting Gaza.

He can't even tie his shoelaces.

Hamas is waking up and is negotiating furiously with Satan Bibi before the Big Guy comes bollocking.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138125 Gender:	Re: Ukraine war update Reply #1366 - Jan 15^th, 2025 at 9:26am Trump knew about Gaza when he made the promise about Ukraine. Can't he do two things at once? He promised to end the war as President-elect, so why hasn't he?
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Reply #1367 - Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:02pm

This:

https://bsky.app/profile/linafromcrimea.bsky.social/post/3lfk32baky32j

will describe what the pigs do to POWs.

Re a body found in Crimea:

When his body was found;

1. his hands were cuffed

2. a plastic bag covered his head

3. his mouth was taped shut

4. cause of death—a stab wound to the eye, death delayed and agonising

This is how the ruzzian pigs treat POWs!

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Reply #1368 - Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:29pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 6:16am:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-15/kyiv-warns-russia-hates-foreign-fighters-...

Top Ukrainian official warns Russia has 'hatred' for foreign fighters like
captured Australian Oscar Jenkins

By Mark Willacy and Jonathan Miller in Kyiv, and Riley Stuart in London

59m ago

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But Mr Jenkins, a teacher who'd been living in China since 2017, would be the first Australian prisoner of war killed by a foreign power in more that 70 years.
The December video showed Russian forces interrogating and hitting Mr Jenkins, who had his hands bound with duct tape.
DFAT summoned Russia's ambassador to Australia, Aleksey Pavlovsky, on Monday in a bid to get more information.
Opposition foreign affairs spokesperson Simon Birmingham said the diplomat should be expelled if reports of Mr Jenkins' "extrajudicial execution" were confirmed.

He was on sacred and sovereign Ukrainian land.
Russia invaded that land and is now executing people they find there.

Cut off all diplomatic relations with Russia.

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Reply #1369 - Jan 15^th, 2025 at 4:13pm

Hmmm Putler is making one of his trademark colossal geopolitical mistakes—signing a treaty with Iran to get Iranian drones and missiles and offering nuclear tech to help Iran develop nuclear weapons.

One way to get the orange douchebag to help Ukraine is from ruzzia to make a treaty with Iran. Congrats Putler, you just did that!

Gen Hodges, Rtd:

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Reply #1371 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 6:50am

Zelensky releases Ukrainian and ruzzian death and wounded numbers.

Four times as many pigs dead as Ukrainian defenders.

Putler has massive amounts of blood on his hands.

We see how completely wrong the figures provided by paid propagandist Tallowood’s were.

Putler’s directions for the war has seen the slaughter of experienced commanders and of junior officers with knowledge of warfare—ruzzia’s army will be weaker for a generation. And ruzzia’s demographics are going to be MUCH worse for a long time, permanently perhaps.

And at the right time China will take East Siberia and Manchuria from ruzzia and ruzzia’s superpower status will be irrevocably lost.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105649 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Ukraine war update Reply #1373 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:35am I believe Trump's promise has changed now - first it was 24 hours, then 100 days, then 6 months. Ukraine doesn't want to give up any territory to Putin - looks like Putin will have to be kicked out by force.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138125 Gender:	Re: Ukraine war update Reply #1374 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:39am Bobby. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:35am: I believe Trump's promise has changed now - first it was 24 hours, then 100 days, then 6 months. So, Trump lied and now continues to lie. It's almost as if he just made it up in order to increase his chances of being elected President.
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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #1375 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:46am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:35am:

I believe Trump's promise has changed now -

first it was 24 hours,
then 100 days,
then 6 months.

So, Trump lied and now continues to lie.

It's almost as if he just made it up in order to increase his chances of being elected President.

It was more a hope than a lie -

I think he expected his mate Putin to do what he was told
but it didn't happen -
Trump wanted a ceasefire as soon as he was elected.
Looks like Putin told him to get stuffed.

Get your popcorn ready and put your seat belt on.
The show is about to begin in 5 days.

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Reply #1376 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 9:07am

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/trump-advisers-concede-ukraine-peace-deal-i...

Trump advisers concede Ukraine peace deal is months away

By Gram Slattery

January 15, 2025

Summary
Trump advisers are quietly backing away from the campaign promise to end the war on Day One
New extended timeline - months, not days or weeks - recognizes intractability of conflict
Putin sending mixed messages about readiness to resolve the conflict
WASHINGTON, Jan 15 (Reuters) - Advisers to President-elect Donald Trump now concede that the Ukraine war will take months or even longer to resolve, a sharp reality check on his biggest foreign policy promise - to strike a peace deal on his first day in the White House.
Two Trump associates, who have discussed the war in Ukraine with the president-elect, told Reuters they were looking at a timeline of months to resolve the conflict, describing the Day One promises as a combination of campaign bluster and a lack of appreciation of the intractability of the conflict and the time it takes to staff up a new administration.
Those assessments dovetail with remarks by Trump's incoming Russia-Ukraine envoy, retired Lieutenant-General Keith Kellogg, who said in an interview with Fox News last week that he would like to have a "solution" to the war within 100 days, far beyond the president-elect's original timeline.
Yet even Kellogg's extended deadline was "way, way too optimistic," said John Herbst, a former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine who is now at the Atlantic Council think tank in Washington.
"For this to work, Trump has to persuade (Russian President Vladimir) Putin that there's a downside for being intransigent," Herbst said.
In the run-up to his Nov. 5 election victory, Trump declared dozens of times that he would have a deal in place between Ukraine and Russia on his first day in office, if not before.

In late October, however, he made a subtle shift in his rhetoric, and began saying he could solve the war "very quickly."
Since the election, Trump has walked back his rhetoric further, often simply saying that he would "solve" the conflict, without offering a timeline. And the president-elect has said ending the war in Ukraine will be harder than reaching a ceasefire in Gaza.
"I think, actually, more difficult is going to be the Russia-Ukraine situation," Trump said when asked about Gaza during a press conference in December. "I see that as more difficult."
Russia has also sent mixed signals regarding a possible peace deal, welcoming direct talks with Trump, while dismissing some of the ideas put forth by his advisers as unworkable.
The Kremlin declined to comment on the Trump team's updated timeline. Representatives for Trump's incoming administration and the Ukrainian embassy in Washington did not respond to requests for comment.

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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #1377 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 9:13am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 9:07am:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/trump-advisers-concede-ukraine-peace-deal-i...

Trump advisers concede Ukraine peace deal is months away

By Gram Slattery

January 15, 2025

Summary
Trump advisers are quietly backing away from the campaign promise to end the war on Day One
New extended timeline - months, not days or weeks - recognizes intractability of conflict
Putin sending mixed messages about readiness to resolve the conflict
WASHINGTON, Jan 15 (Reuters) - Advisers to President-elect Donald Trump now concede that the Ukraine war will take months or even longer to resolve, a sharp reality check on his biggest foreign policy promise - to strike a peace deal on his first day in the White House.
Two Trump associates, who have discussed the war in Ukraine with the president-elect, told Reuters they were looking at a timeline of months to resolve the conflict, describing the Day One promises as a combination of campaign bluster and a lack of appreciation of the intractability of the conflict and the time it takes to staff up a new administration.
Those assessments dovetail with remarks by Trump's incoming Russia-Ukraine envoy, retired Lieutenant-General Keith Kellogg, who said in an interview with Fox News last week that he would like to have a "solution" to the war within 100 days, far beyond the president-elect's original timeline.
Yet even Kellogg's extended deadline was "way, way too optimistic," said John Herbst, a former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine who is now at the Atlantic Council think tank in Washington.
"For this to work, Trump has to persuade (Russian President Vladimir) Putin that there's a downside for being intransigent," Herbst said.
In the run-up to his Nov. 5 election victory, Trump declared dozens of times that he would have a deal in place between Ukraine and Russia on his first day in office, if not before.

In late October, however, he made a subtle shift in his rhetoric, and began saying he could solve the war "very quickly."
Since the election, Trump has walked back his rhetoric further, often simply saying that he would "solve" the conflict, without offering a timeline. And the president-elect has said ending the war in Ukraine will be harder than reaching a ceasefire in Gaza.
"I think, actually, more difficult is going to be the Russia-Ukraine situation," Trump said when asked about Gaza during a press conference in December. "I see that as more difficult."
Russia has also sent mixed signals regarding a possible peace deal, welcoming direct talks with Trump, while dismissing some of the ideas put forth by his advisers as unworkable.
The Kremlin declined to comment on the Trump team's updated timeline. Representatives for Trump's incoming administration and the Ukrainian embassy in Washington did not respond to requests for comment.

Yes thousands more are going to die because Biden sabotaged the peace process. Admittedly Biden has no idea what happened but his string pullers have done enough to ensure that making sure thousands more get killed will be bad for Trump.

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Reply #1378 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 9:29am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:35am:

I believe Trump's promise has changed now -

first it was 24 hours,
then 100 days,
then 6 months.

So, Trump lied and now continues to lie.

It's almost as if he just made it up in order to increase his chances of being elected President.

It was more a hope than a lie -

It was a lie, Bobbi.

The convicted felon never comes through with his promises.

Never, ever.

He's just a bloated old rapist who spews out bullshit all day and all night.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11684 Armidale Gender:	Re: Ukraine war update Reply #1379 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 9:30am Bobby. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:35am: I believe Trump's promise has changed now - Only messiah Donald can save humans and Australians. But he may downsize the great divine power. Musk is on the up and 'messiah Musk' is more convincing. Blessed be Elon and his devotees
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