chimera wrote on Sep 11
th, 2024 at 5:14pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 11
th, 2024 at 4:56pm:
you are deluded by ancient tribal instincts.
Repetition of 'freedom or death' of the pygmies is part of your illogic, which is the point I'm debating. I never mentioned 'freedom' and veto at least keeps the UN alive.
"At least keeps the UN alive"...what for?
As many people have been killed in wars since 1946, under US hegemony no less, as died in WW2 itself.
(Note: I want the UN to exist, but why do YOU want the UN "to be alive"?)
Quote:I noted the lack of veto on Korea 1950, which you didn't respond to.
I must have missed it; I always respond to 'good faith' questions like that.
The communists -
backed by Russia and China's UNSC veto went to war to prevent the US takeover of Korea.
(google)
The causes of the Korean War (1950-1953) can be examined in two categories, ideological and political. Ideologically, the communist side, including the Soviet Union, China, and North Korea, desired to secure the Korean peninsula and incorporate it in a communist bloc.Fair enough, the land is contiguous.
Any political negotiation from the West, to avoid war?
Of course not: 'freedom values' trumps all, including life itself.
Quote:So Ukraine war stops when Trump speaks?
Yes, given his
working relationship with Putin.
Quote: Does Putin obey Cicero?
No: neither Trump nor Putin are rational enough to understand Cicero; but Trump was prepared to use his power as commander in chief of the world's greatest military, to negotiate with Putin, to avoid war.
Quote:N Korea was equal to UN armies.
With Russian and Chinese backing (and their UNSC veto) - N.Korea would have disappeared in a week without that backing; China suffered huge casualties in the war.
Quote:Vietnam and Afghans beat US,
American public opinion beat the US in Vietnam (in the "baby killing" war); and they didn't spend the resources needed to conquer Afghanistan.
Quote: so how is Pentagon stronger in the field on the Russian border?
Because Trump only needed to threaten its use, spiced with some negotiations re Russians living in majority Russian-speaking areas in Ukraine.
Quote:Trump doesn't like the nukes?
No.
Quote:And so......?
He's not so sure Putin can't be forced into using them.
There you see: all your 'good faith' questions, though based on your "freedom or death " ideological delusions, dutifully answered.