chimera wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 4:21pm:


Unlike you, I'm not a robot; I'm employing basic logic to explain the requirements for effective international law.

The rule of law requires negotiation (exchange of ideas)  and adjudication.

In fact, individual sovereignty is incompatible with rule of law, in logic.

Likewise,  national sovereignty is incompatible with an international rules based system

Now, let's deal with your following FD-style succession of questions ( his are usually absurd, let's see what you got...):

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Who said Russia has no rights?

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You identified your previous error; by "Berlin", you meant East Berlin.  The Western powers ruled in West Berlin.

ditto for Ukraine now:  East versus West.

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Addressed above; I have shown why article 51 of the UN Charter (which you cited)  contradicts the rest of the Charter. 

And I have shown an international rules-based system (which the US likes to imagine it believes in) requires an international  negotiating  and adjudicating court, to avoid states' recourse to war to settle disputes.

The veto is WHY the UNSC has failed  to keep the peace, and interntional law is rendered ineffective.   

[Some history: in 1946, most delegates present at the creation of the UN Charter resisted the adoption of the veto by the members of the proposed UNSC - but the great powers (US and USSR) demanded it: "no veto, no UN Charter" they insisted. Everyone was forced to accept  the veto in the UNSC, another triumph for national self-interest by the great powers]. 

chimera wrote on May 24^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:


Negotiation includes exchange of ideas, required to  establish international  law in the first place.

As for negotiation beteen clowns like  Putin and Zelensky, the latter  supported by the self-intersted US hegemon, negotiations didn't get off the ground.

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Er.....please explain; 'national sovereignty' means not subject to law outside the nation's jurisprudence.   

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Correct, but under the current contradictory "international rules based system" (contradiction revealed in Article 51 with its bs about "defensive war"), Russia (Putin) is able to claim he is fighting a "defensive war" because  NATO is backing anti-Russian policies  in Russian-speaking provinces in Ukraine.

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Given the absence of effective international law, negotiation between the disputants might still avoid war, but as we have seen the US -as always - prefers to  further its own own strategic interests. 

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I'm undermining the 'sovereignty' of ALL nations..... I think you made a mistake....

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(google)

"The army of the Soviet Union conquered Berlin in April/May 1945. Two months later the Western Allied troops also entered the city. On 4 July 1945, the American Independence Day, U.S. troops officially took charge of their occupation sector in southwest Berlin.

Ditto for the other allied  forces, all allies with Russia at that time before the Cold War began.   

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Your ignorance of the issues leading up to the present war is egregious; you are in fact complicit in the war. 

chimera wrote on May 24^th, 2024 at 2:06pm:


Indeed, only international law can add legality to effective negotiations (which avoids war).

International in this context refers to international jurisprudence:

https://academic.oup.com/book/12583/chapter-abstract/162407753?redirectedFrom=fu...

Summing up, international jurisprudence is a binding form of global administrative law to those parties involved in a dispute.

...as opposed to national juripridence.

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Don't have to guess; the 'Oxford Scholarship Online" article cited above defines it for you.   

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No, I'm seeing the issue from Putin's point of view, some- thing you appear incapable of doing; much better to  fight Putin to the last Ukrainian, as you and the US prefer.   

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Did you miss it? All the allies occupied Berlin in 1945, with the administrative arrangements for the occupied city completed 2 months after Russians (who were still allies at this time) first entered in April, and particular zones were established by agreement ...not war.

So you can stop hurting your head now.....Russians were the alies' friends in 1945.

chimera wrote on May 24^th, 2024 at 6:26pm:


You forgot to identify the contradictions, after I had explained your errors. 

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No, it's an order in which all nations abide by international law/jurisprudence, as defined in the linked article.

chimera wrote on May 24^th, 2024 at 6:55pm:


Again, you forgot to point to the "other contradiction"  in "all nations need to abide by international law/jurisprudence",

Typical of conservatives who can't defend their views logically.   

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It seems you don't have many functioning neurons, so not much harm can eventuate I suppose. 

I turn to drink - I have a Zenker's Diverticulum in the throat and to keep things out of it I turn to the left to swallow... gives me my excellent growl, too!!!

Grrrrrrrr...

I think the whole world is so fed up with the Russians.

We helped them to win WW2 and then they turned on us -
forming an iron curtain placing the whole of Eastern Europe
under communist slavery and then they pointed
10s of 1000s of nuclear missiles at us.
Never in human history has there been a greater betrayal.

Bobby. wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 5:39pm:


Yes. Even Xi is annoyed, while trying to maintain a strategic partnership with Putin (Chinese trade with Russia is being hindered because of spill-over effects from US sanctions).   

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They helped the Allies,   at a cost of 20 million Russian lives.

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The communist/capitalist contest need not have been a matter of life and death, both sides were responsible for the Cold War in the age of MAD.   Russians over-ran Eastern Europe during the defeat of Nazi Germany; obviously  in Stalin's (and following communist leaders' eyes), the more countries available to 'prove the superiority of communism' the better (they lost that contest). 

But right now, the most egregious betrayal of the world  is the US-based  global  financial system. 

Just sayin'.